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Posted: 14 years ago
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Okay the couple 'good' things I did want to point out - which sadly have nothing to do with Gullu's character atm...

* Even if his going away to town sounds (and partially is) in escapism, I'm so thankful, that at least Kesar on his part is very clear he needs no more 'ehsaan' from Gulaal. The fact that he tells MB and co., that Gulaal has done enough for the house, and this should not be imposed, may sound all out for Gulaal's sake - but really, innately, he's saving himself grace. He doesn't want to feature on her list of 'farz/obligation' thank you very much! And for that Kesar - you are the man we've always thought and hoped you to be. He admits candidly that he cannot deal with being so broken and reminded and needs to get away from the rut - so its not like he's posing some iron clad avatar which Gullu tends to do - he's being him, honest, but also a hugely individualistic character. The fact that he's given up on her for her sake is about the max he can deal with the sacrificing trend. He doesn't need to add being a charity case in her life to it - so bravo to you Kesar.

* The opening scene was only half there for me - but again, I don't want to take away Kesar's fair share of acclaim. When he asks Gulaal straight up - kya aisa nahin ho sakta tu yahan humesha ke liye reh jaaye - its classic Kesar again. Dil ki koi baat dil mein rakh le, naa ji! :D Even if its evident to a blind person what he wants to say, he will still go through the process of 'wording it'... explicitly. Especially when it involves Gulaal, and all the more in his last of hold himself together mode... He's dying every second not having her in his life, and he knows she knows it - but still, for the heck, on in the name of miracles come true - he must say it out like that and hear the answer - in words or in silence. That's why, when he tells MB later main jaanta hu uska jawab - it connects.

* Last thing - this is not what I liked, but what I wished had happened. It would have connected so much better if Gulaal had woken up to say a voice over of her friends telling her 'kisi beshkimti cheez ko isliye nahin... ' that dialog - it would have at least at least at least laid some ground to Gulaal's realization of her singular Kesar need before she heard of Rewa telling her, and further Kesar's accident ... Oh so much could have been done using the old links. I can't believe it was all wasted away like that!

Why again are we facing this tragic downfall in the finale week?! Nothing they show in the ME now can make up for the damage - but I still hope it will be something better than this mess... I'd like to let go of this show at least on a final good note, if not an unblemished one...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I guess it's just a random dream. Dreams do not have to be actual events. In real life our dreams are just projections of our subconscious thoughts.

But the CV's should have focused more on GK. Even If I was Kesar I would have escaped to the city. 😭 How much can one take so much heartbreak. Kesar is not Gulaal.
Edited by angel68 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Well said as always, Jzee...I don't really have much complaints from Kesar...the guy is fully in character and the saving grace of the epi was his scene with Motabha...where as you said he clarified that he didn't want any pity or majboori from Gulaal's side and he was candid about the fact that he will not be able to live forever in a broken existence like this at the village...in some ways it may be looked upon as not living up to his 'responsibilities' as MB's heir but if the family actually bothered to look beyond the token line of "aaj bhi tere dil mein Gulaal ki liye jagah hai"...Hello...JAGAH?! Such a SMALL word for what Kesar feels for Gulaal...anyways...moving beyond that...then they would realize WHY Kesar needs to get away from this rut as you said...although there is no doubt that distance from the village would never lessen his pain either but I don't blame him from wanting to get away from losers like PB :P

Till date Kesar remains a very realistic character...real in his vulnerabilities and not magically mahaan...He has matured a lot but then Gulaal was always his greatest vulnerability as well.

As for Gulaal...disappointing, let down...I guess we will keep on repeating these words...I don't what tomorrow and the ME will bring...salvage attempts at best I guess...somethings have been irrevocably messed with.

But then I guess as Mano mentioned a few pages back...at this point, all we can do is take the ending they are giving us and live with it...hope is the wrong word now I guess but let's see if the actual scene scene will be made worthwhile in the ME...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Okay - I also have to get this off my chest. The one reason I have truly truly truly loved this show so much - is because of such careful detailing of its female lead. Its one thing that the industry doesn't have a tenth of its strength of female faces who can 'actually act' to save their life - but really, most often, the character sketches are so ridiculously ... I dunno, black and white? When they are good, they are like demi-goddesses; when they are bad, they like robotic vamps who are programmed to be bad in every sense - no human can be so singularly good or bad, really! Anyway, point is, the characters are OTT - with either no flaws, or nothing but flaws. Gulaal has been real in that sense - very real, because her greatest shortcoming has always been an implicit outcome of her extreme goodness. As Kesar once said - bohot zada meetha bhi zehar ban jata hai - I've been glad that the CVs had taken care to deal with her character at both objective and subjective levels - treating her with respect to her circumstances, and then also treating her case as just an independent entity if things around her were not what they are - and it has helped shape Gulaal's character - a very complex one - quite well. Until now.

I think my greatest complain shall remain hence - of not getting to watch one show on TV wherein I could really not choose a favorite between the leads. Yes I always tend to melt for Kesar - but that's because I'm a girl and I have to fall for a guy character like him, come on! - but if I was just viewing their characters, they have both had equal parts of my hearts. they have both been equally all out for the other and equally bull headed in their own times, and at all points, even when either or both have frustrated me with being so hard headed - I've still found empathy for them, or at least sympathy in their predicament...

Unlike today. Not being able to connect with Gulaal is like such a gap. She's the face of this show - and the center of the storyline. Even the love angle has made shifts, the Gulaal center has been constant - and not being to connect with her perspective at this point is something I wish to fight out but can't! To everything she said or thought or dreamed of today - I could only have a double thought in the back of my head which went, - really?!

On a completely unrelated note - when talli told her saasu maa she had Gullu's sanskar I was going to walk into the screen and remind her the mess Gullu had made of her life. just maybe she would do better to add some Kesar brain to Gullu sanskar and balance out the kinks. But anyway - who cares about Talli!

And again, Kesar giving Gullu a 'toffee' almost made me think of all the shows who go into those nonsensical things to sort of save a sinking boat - trying every ridiculous new antic! This show has such a well built history! Why couldn't he give her Imli as Anjali said?! Dude, if they had to be SO innovative, he could have just gotten a new dress for champa from the kaarkhana - like SERIOUSLY! that would be cute and innovative and still connect to the 'history'... :| What can I say... Kesar is saving the day for me, whatever little he can. I'm happy he is - but sad about losing his equal in Gulaal...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@angel - you're right, Kesar is not Gulaal. At this point, I can't even relate to any 'heartache' Gulaal is feeling anyway! She seemed so unfeeling yesterday, it just took one episode to make me almost indifferent to her perspective. I guess when you raise the bars of a show like this one, you really need to think about each step. Because every step truly matters. This is not just a bad episode lacking GK that they6 can make up for by giving us more the next day. This was a shift in the focus - a wrongly timed, and wrongly executed shift.

@ Nur - dude where you concentrated on 'jagah' I was like 'ABHI BI'?! What do you mean abhi bhi?! Dude! What's with PB asking Gullu yesterday how she abhi bhi remembered things in the house, and now MB asking/telling Kesar he abhi bhi has jagahy in his dill for Gullu?! Abe over night badal jaati hain aisi cheezein?! yahan to zindagi jaayegi and change ni hoga! Whatever!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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ps: everyone - imagine me liking all comments above...!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree, Jzee...Gulaal has been a rare show and a rare character in that she was not the typical mahaan one-dimensional female leads on desi TV...she had layers, she made mistakes, there were consequences, she realized, she evolved...all of that...

But right now the show has taken some random steps back/in another direction regarding her...I get that the family has always been huge for her, that she's taken Kesar for granted forever...I get all that...but somehow I've been getting this sense in the GK scenes since yesterday and even today as if suddenly all the nuances, the undercurrents to the GK relationship have been done away from Gulaal's side...Kesar is still very much Kesar in all that he feels for Gulaal...but with Gulaal it's fragmented.

Hmmm we can keep on saying this for now...I guess things will obviously change tomorrow when she will be all shattered to know of Kesar's accident...so I guess it remains to be seen what they show post that...if THEN the kind of FBs she is getting will be shown in a better manner or not...lol

But yes the squandered opportunities will continue to pinch somewhere *sigh*
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Oh and lest I forget to rant about this - I forgive the family their misjudgment of Gullu. I even forgive them their wishes and attempts to bring back GK... but sudhrate nahi hai ye log! PHIRSE VASANT! Why can MB not give Kesar his own mojdi to give him the responsibility?! Can that guy not aspire to become like his dad for heaven's sake?! I prefer MB to Vasant ANY damn day! Yaar bas bi karo! Bechara saari zindagi is going to keep donning Vasant ki mojdi for this role, and that role, and then a next!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr


@ Nur - dude where you concentrated on 'jagah' I was like 'ABHI BI'?! What do you mean abhi bhi?! Dude! What's with PB asking Gullu yesterday how she abhi bhi remembered things in the house, and now MB asking/telling Kesar he abhi bhi has jagahy in his dill for Gullu?! Abe over night badal jaati hain aisi cheezein?! yahan to zindagi jaayegi and change ni hoga! Whatever!



LOL I found that entire line W*F-ish I guess...seriously do they still have no clue as to WHAT Gulaal means to Kesar?? Paagal hain sab🤢...

And yes the problem is indeed that Gulaal itself raised the bar so high that we've come to expect FAR better from the show...Man, this is the only show I've watched where they used to connect EVERY thread in such a WONDERFUL way...and didn't think that in the last 5 epis they would suddenly take off on mediocre disjointed tangents which we would otherwise expect from the other lame shows on TV.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

@angel - you're right, Kesar is not Gulaal. At this point, I can't even relate to any 'heartache' Gulaal is feeling anyway! She seemed so unfeeling yesterday, it just took one episode to make me almost indifferent to her perspective. I guess when you raise the bars of a show like this one, you really need to think about each step. Because every step truly matters. This is not just a bad episode lacking GK that they6 can make up for by giving us more the next day. This was a shift in the focus - a wrongly timed, and wrongly executed shift.



I agree. I was wondering why Gulaal was not seeking out Kesar with her eyes in the previous episode at that ceremony. I was a bit disheartened at that . Was trying to find anything positive in that episode.

I feel that CV's are under a bit of pressure now because of SP. They should have whittled downed the story to it's basics because of the time constraints starting last week.

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