29th June - You cant force love... (Kes-Gul) - Page 2

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: bintus02

Firstly how do you take care of somebody who does not even want to see your face, and as we all know Gulaal has also declared that she is there because of Kesar but not for him, so where does he begin to take care of her?. Most of the actions which has been taken by Gulaal has also been for herself and for her own reasons and motives. I do not see how Kesar getting himself into some sort of trouble is only just because of himself or for selfish reasons. He could be so depressed that he felt bound to go and do himself harm. That is not selfish but a cry for help.

I am wondering if i have got that scene totally wrong in what we will see... that maybe Kesar didnt go and harm himself and but something accidently happen
He needs to get hold of himself and then he can understand Gulaal to some point... - read what Revji baapji said today which was significant, and will come into play and work for Kesar
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I don't think there is anything Kesar can do because no matter what, Gulaal will have that Vasant line between them. The options for Kesar are exhausted! He can only think of their future ahead if Gulaal allows him to. Right now she won't even talk to him so what does he do exactly? What is the correct way to go about it?


These two have exchanged exact positions from not so long ago. When Kesar returned, Gulaal was where he is today - she couldn't figure his exact problem, because he would only spit venom and not name the exact problem (just like Gulaal is right now) and Gulaal thought she had lost all ways to get through to him anymore, that she'd been shut out.

We have a reverse scenario now. Kesar is the one shut out. And the only way something can move forward from here, is by Gulaal giving in, despite herself, as Kesar did at that point. One can say Gulaal doesn't love him (or think so) atm. But neither did Kesar, back then. So they are equals at the point. A wall came down between them the day Gulaal fell ill - and we've come back to the other side of the same coin at this juncture with the shown precap. The two of them just can't bear seeing the other suffer - no matter what.

It's not as if post that night nothing went wrong between the two - but it broke the ice, and Gulaal could finally get that foothold to jerk Kesar out of cold facade and question him every time he was wrong. She'd finally seen a window of hope - a window of his vulnerability, despite the faceless unfeeling avatar he had donned all the time before, so even when he brandished wrath at her, or tried to shut himself again, she was no longer as clueless as prior to that night. Other factors came in, like they will now too - but it broke the ice. Maybe tomorrow will again!

Originally posted by: nureat01

The other significant line of the epi was by Revji bhai...when Poonamba says that Kesar will take care of Gulaal...and he replies...'first Kesar needs to take care of himself'


Excellent point Nur. That was like summing up the goal Kesar should be striving for at this point.

Thanks for the post Len! 😃 I for one am really hopeful about the PRECAP. JK is getting what she called for, but Kesuda can start reaping benefits of his long talk with God today 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I wish Gulaal would stop sending Talli to Kesar for all these little chores. I understand the position Gulaal is and since she is actually angry at Kesar, doing anything for him will seem like an encouragement. Gulaal feels that any concern from her side will show like a crack...a crack that Kesar can break into...but honestly speaking whatever said and done both Gulaal and Kesar need to leave Talli out of all this. Trust me...Talli just plain annoys me but he did promise to marry her and then leave her at the mandap. So everytime, Kesar begs Talli for her friendship because he is missing Gulaal like crazy and needs someone to talk to to fill the void...everytime Gulaal asks Talli to cover Kesar with a blanket and feed him...they are not allowing the girl to move on! So please Gulaal as hard as it may be for you right now...since you have made the decision to come back into the house...stop pushing Talli into Kesar's space.

I can't believe after everything she has done for the house...she still needs to prove herself yet again?? What is wrong with JK? Raman and Sudha have the most imperfect relationship and yet JK has the guts to question Gulaal about why Kesar slept outside?? Today's scenes reminded me of the older episodes...when Gulaal was totally mistreated by JK and Sudha after Vasant's death? Where on earth are Paanbhaa and MB??? Why is Dushyant never around anymore? Gulaal just has to stand outside the kitchen and wait while Sudha finishes up?? That just made me so mad!! Gulaal should have just stayed back at her parents and when the panchayat would have stopped this family's hukka paani..would have served them right!!😡

Sorry...these things just made me so angry! Gulaal is being so stubborn with Kesar and it was so sad to watch him in the mandir...he means well and he could never hurt her...I wish she would just give him a chance...even as best friend. At the end of the day he wants nothing more than her presence and her care in his life...I wish she would understand that. She really is all alone in that house and the only person who understand the situation she is in...is her father.😭

Pre-cap...looks like Dushyant will find Kesar drunk again. Even in the past Kesar has used that as a means to escape his questions and confusion. He did everything to bring her back and now that she is back...he cannot be around her...such a paradox...

Oh, before I forget...someone needs to knock some sense into Sudha. How can she be so bitter?? What has gotten into her?? JK was bad enough, then walked in Raman and now we can add Sudha to that list on top of which Kesar will never be home, Talli will be locked away in her room by Sudha, Dushyant will be working crazy hours in the factory to escape all this craziness, MB and PB are no where to be seen AND Poonambhaa has forbidden Revji to be in contact with Gulaal!!!!!!!!! AAARRGGGHHH!! How will Kes Gul ever ever ever move forward in this venomous environment?🥺


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sama0023

Completely agree with you...😊


same here...😉
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: bintus02

Firstly how do you take care of somebody who does not even want to see your face, and as we all know Gulaal has also declared that she is there because of Kesar but not for him, so where does he begin to take care of her?. Most of the actions which has been taken by Gulaal has also been for herself and for her own reasons and motives. I do not see how Kesar getting himself into some sort of trouble is only just because of himself or for selfish reasons. He could be so depressed that he felt bound to go and do himself harm. That is not selfish but a cry for help.



Very true! I feel that Kesar has been crying for help since the day he returned. Its too sad that people around him...especially PB and MB have not seen the signs..hopefully both Gulaal and Kesar will help each other out of their pain
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anjalg

I wish Gulaal would stop sending Talli to Kesar for all these little chores. I understand the position Gulaal is and since she is actually angry at Kesar, doing anything for him will seem like an encouragement. Gulaal feels that any concern from her side will show like a crack...a crack that Kesar can break into...but honestly speaking whatever said and done both Gulaal and Kesar need to leave Talli out of all this. Trust me...Talli just plain annoys me but he did promise to marry her and then leave her at the mandap. So everytime, Kesar begs Talli for her friendship because he is missing Gulaal like crazy and needs someone to talk to to fill the void...everytime Gulaal asks Talli to cover Kesar with a blanket and feed him...they are not allowing the girl to move on! So please Gulaal as hard as it may be for you right now...since you have made the decision to come back into the house...stop pushing Talli into Kesar's space.

I can't believe after everything she has done for the house...she still needs to prove herself yet again?? What is wrong with JK? Raman and Sudha have the most imperfect relationship and yet JK has the guts to question Gulaal about why Kesar slept outside?? Today's scenes reminded me of the older episodes...when Gulaal was totally mistreated by JK and Sudha after Vasant's death? Where on earth are Paanbhaa and MB??? Why is Dushyant never around anymore? Gulaal just has to stand outside the kitchen and wait while Sudha finishes up?? That just made me so mad!! Gulaal should have just stayed back at her parents and when the panchayat would have stopped this family's hukka paani..would have served them right!!😡

Sorry...these things just made me so angry! Gulaal is being so stubborn with Kesar and it was so sad to watch him in the mandir...he means well and he could never hurt her...I wish she would just give him a chance...even as best friend. At the end of the day he wants nothing more than her presence and her care in his life...I wish she would understand that. She really is all alone in that house and the only person who understand the situation she is in...is her father.😭

Pre-cap...looks like Dushyant will find Kesar drunk again. Even in the past Kesar has used that as a means to escape his questions and confusion. He did everything to bring her back and now that she is back...he cannot be around her...such a paradox...

Oh, before I forget...someone needs to knock some sense into Sudha. How can she be so bitter?? What has gotten into her?? JK was bad enough, then walked in Raman and now we can add Sudha to that list on top of which Kesar will never be home, Talli will be locked away in her room by Sudha, Dushyant will be working crazy hours in the factory to escape all this craziness, MB and PB are no where to be seen AND Poonambhaa has forbidden Revji to be in contact with Gulaal!!!!!!!!! AAARRGGGHHH!! How will Kes Gul ever ever ever move forward in this venomous environment?🥺


The way JK talks to Gulaal is how someone talks to a dog, barking orders at them, like you say it was exactly how JK was with Gulaal when Vasant had died, that woman has no care for anyone, as for Sudha she is back to what she was before... and lashing out at Gulaal, ok we get it she was hurt for Talli and so on, but everything was laid out in the open at the wedding by Kesar and then at the panchayant... so i dont know how Sudha can be so blind when most of the things happened in front of her
Gulaal doesnt need to prove anything in that house, she has more of a right to that house then JK and Sudha ever could achieve, but Gulaal is not selfish and knowing her she will let them say what they want, and then also answer them when she has to, like today she did in a way, but JK just got riled up, and why does Giga kaka ever tell to shut up lol
Kesar at the moment is in frustration coz he knows all he did was for her to come back coz he knows her heart is in this home, she lives for that house and he wanted her back coz he made her go, but also we know his way of going about it was wrong, in forcing - but then again as he asks what was he suppose to do - this is something he doesnt get that there was others way he could of done.. but then again Kesar believes his intentions werent wrong, so he doesnt feel the need to feel wrong
Like yoy say the person who understood is her father, and how her father totally got what she was hiding and so on, this is something Kesar needs to get a hold on about Gulaal and so on
If Kesar is drunk then we can see why, when he reachs his limit, he does drink to let out that pain or to numb it, but lets see if what happens...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anjalg



Very true! I feel that Kesar has been crying for help since the day he returned. Its too sad that people around him...especially PB and MB have not seen the signs..hopefully both Gulaal and Kesar will help each other out of their pain

Thats why i say that both need this journey indivdually and also together😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Lennie...I love your posts! 🤗
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anjalg

Lennie...I love your posts! 🤗

Thanks Anj 😊
I am worried that i am not getting the grasp of Kesar, or that i am trying to mould him into something i want... but then again i feel what i am writing is what i am seeing and want him to be his best for Gulaal and if he just 'gets' thinking and understanding his way of going about things will change, not that i want him to change completely his love is what makes him Kesar and so on
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Posted: 14 years ago
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kesar is hell confused in his life ...he always thought she is his wife and was convinced that gulaal also accept him as her husband ( no physical aspect though included'' ) this relation is not all of sudden... its 10 year old relation deep and intense ..the realtion that gulaal was confortable with the relation that never borther her...and wen he use to have problem with his relation as he stated 10 years back i dont want to go as my frn tease me she was the one who use to build confidence in him ...do whatever ur heart feel is right dont care about anyone... kesar is all that gulaal shaped him... he learnt that stubborness that tendency to follow his heart from gulaal herself ..she was like guiding star to him ...and now suddenly his star is disappeared he is frustrated all he needs tender care and love that gulaal previously showed him thats a kid kesar in him and will always remain ... he is disappointed as y now vasant bha factor is coming in his relation wen it was not there previously .vasanthbha was incorporated in their relation now gulaal has put it as a barrier thats y he is frustrated...i dont think kesar attitude will improve unless gulaal understands her responsbility towards him she has formed a relationship with him ...desserting him is not the solution he needs her support her wisdom her guidance in every walk of his life...only gulaal can change that immature behaviour and make him a responsible person that motbha and panba and even gulaal dreams of...he needs love and care first and then he can fullfill all the expectation ...

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