17th June: Yeh Pyaar Nahin Hai Toh Kya Hai... (KG) - Page 2

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lennie

Hey guys sorry was out all day, for a family function

So only just got back to seeing the episode, and also i have not read any posts as of yet by you guys at all, so my analysis is in what i have seen lol I just scanned the episode, haven't watched it yet. I views could be wrong.
Firstly yesterday two things happen to Gulaal which she never ever expected at all - (how ironic that it seems though all her life alot of things have happened to her unexpectedly, what a life it has been for her... widow at a young age, Vasant dying, doing a deeyarvatu, finding out D was the cause of Vasant's death and so on... -its like fate is hitting her and hurting her time and time again )

I believe that everything happens for a reason, that god has something better in store for us. I can imagine the pain of losing the loved ones. Anything better at the cost of a life is not something we can look forward to or learn to live with. Unfortunately this is what life is. I could feel her as I have similar incident in my own life.

back to what i was saying, two things happened to her which as i said she would of never dreamt of happening - if ppl back 10 yrs gave her a scenerio that she will keep her deeyarvatu for life, and has to start it properly - she would of never thought so and would think its impossible (let alone if let it enter her mind), another would be Kesar being in love with her - this one she would of laughed at if anyone ever told her this years back... - dont we usually do that when someone says something to us about anything - we laugh it of or think its impossible for that to ever happen to us, and then years later it happens to us, and then you look back and think when someone mentioned that particular thing... and you find yourself astonised at it. So true, but I think MB had an inkling don't u think so? That what made him take the decision of boarding school.
Now these are the two things that happened to her yesterday, esp the love confession was where she reacted alot as we saw, and thats the main thing that will determine what state of mind Gulaal has today and in the future (coz its something she wont be able to take, let alone accept it) - that has changed Gulaal stance in what we saw today isnt it... i think i saw a helpless and somewhat defeated Gulaal today esp in the two scenes at the start which made her deny the whole truth even after reading the letters. The reason for not having the impact we expected for the letters.(which we saw Kesar's love confession echoing all around to her), one where she rushes into her in room, crying and i mean proper crying not just have silent tears running down her face, but proper cry and that arm movements she did - just indicated, something she cant take, and couldnt believe and also with defeatness in it, next scene was going up to Vasant reaching out for him (note when she reached out to Vasant we get a flashback on Kesar saying he cant live without her, it felt like this is what/how Gulaal has lived without Vasant, knowing she couldnt live without him, but had to) Agree.and taking his photo and kneeling down with it crying near her chest, and it felt like she needed him more today then ever, so maybe she didnt have to see this day i guess Yeh! of course.
Talli and Gulaal scene, i think we noticed that Gulaal hasnt somewhat been able to face Talli, or what to say to her,Well emoted as well. or how to console her or how to act around her coz of what has happened and deep down Gulaal knows she has hurt Talli, and there is guilt there... and its hard to be total normal with that person and we know Gulaal and Talli are close and Gulaal is the one who always consoles Talli - but today we didnt see that, we saw Gulaal trying to speak to her as Talli entered the room and stopped, i think it was better that Talli got off from her chest what she wanted to say and all it was about was loving someone (no blame game, no faults, no bitterness, no anger i see towards Gulaal from her - but to the point in what she wanted to say) Somewhat reducing Gulaal's guilt and it also sounded as it shouldn't have happened. Some sort of realisation that she kind of loved/unintentionally try to snatch Gulaal's husband, same time validating Gulaal's feeling for Vasanth. She kind of made Gulaal's life easier by telling her what she felt. Yes I am not all happy but I do understand and accept kind of statement. The scene was also well executed/paved way for the letter scene and for the future KG track.just giving Gulaal another confession of love - that Kesar has for her, and tells her Kesar loves her and we saw Gulaal's stance again shake by that knowledge and Talli gives her the letters, and basically Talli in simple words tells that if this isnt love then what is it, all that he has done and all the things he did and not wanting this deeyarvatu broken, he did this coz he couldnt ever give anyone her place - its love, as Talli says if this isnt love then what is it. Its gonna Gulaal a long time to get to the conclusion that Talli has got to, because Talli has simply got it whilst Gulaal hasnt, and wont - and thats natural, its something so impossible for her. Also it is easy for Thalli First she is kind of the 3rd person, she sees it with different state of mind. Also she had clues but was in denial for a long time. She seemed sort of relieved after knowing what it was all about Kesar's feelings are. It has nothing to do with her and all, no hate nor love. It is almost like Thalli letting go of Keasar to Gulaal, kind of releasing Gulaal from guilt. We might see a role reversal of Gulaal and Thalli in total differnet way in coming episodes as well. Are we not seeing a character growth of Thalli in the last 2 episodes?
Letter scene was done well - coz i got why she came up with the conclusion she did in a way and also did anybody think of Imli scene whilst she picked the letters off the floor...Yes we did! It did show how important those lettters are for her.
Am i relieved the letters were out in the open, i say yes and no - maybe more leaning towards Yes, one coz Talli got it and understood it,Amen! i think for someone from the outside view would definately view those letters as letters filled with longing and yearning, and that this is person is in loveAmen!... and bsically coz Talli has had a doubt that there is someone and why Kesar has been Gulaal's Kesar all this timeAmen!, but for Gulaal her it was hard for her to see that, and thats why what she said to Kesar later on was i say right, coz all Gulaal got from those letters is that he has some kind of attachment to her, its attachment (and thats what i felt when i saw that scene with her reading those letters, coz of what we heard and what she read, even thought it was Kesar's voiceover), those letters she read dont mean as much to her today coz she got them at this pointYeh coz it could be that she doesnt want to face it, deal with it, cant believe, more so i think its 'you cant be in love with me', 'no it cant be', 'no this cant happen' basically Yeh nahin ho sakta dialogue would be appropriate... (which also felt in what we saw in the slaps yesterday)Denial the right word? Those letters just says to her that he isnt liking it here without her, he thinks of her everytime, he's seeks her, he hates her, he doesnt want to see her, he wants to come near her and yet doesnt... Unlike us, she hasnt seen the heart-wrenching Kesar with those letters and what those words he has written means, and she wont get them until she probably reads them again with an open mind and whenever she starts to feel her feelings changing for her

Also the Kesar in the letter and the kesar after the leap are somewhat different. A lot has happened in between like the way he acted out his feelings/confusions. After the return of Kesar from boarding school, in Gulaal's pov his actions were kind of a pendulum in a way, one day anger, then the other care, hate revenge, vengeance then love and so on. I see the letter as a stamp paper of the real Kesar on Gulaal's pov. The loving, caring Kesar. You are right about the time as well, it is a time she can't be overjoyed by those letters, she has to have a steady, strong reaction so she doesn't soften and it get misinterpreted by Kesar even a bit. Also the emotional state of her mind, the shock, guilt, she is just not in the mood to think from his side clearly as well. She is bombarded with so much within last few days, too much to handle. Before she even realizes one issue the other was already on her. I also do the letter as future reference. I don't know why but I feel it is the right time for the letter so she is clear about Kesar's intentions, so now she can deal with hers. Like u said previously it will pave way for Gulaal's inner turmoil.

Attachment i think it rather a good word for Gulaal to use at the moment, she will question that and not believe that he is in love with her - like proper love, she will dismiss it as attachment which she did and also as he says my love is from childhood..., she doesnt believe that it can or is proper love, i think it was a rather good scene coz i expected Gulaal to say what she did, Yeh pyaar nahin hai... i think any woman would of said that, esp one that wont believe in it and one who doesnt want to really hear those words again... She will try an undo his feelings in every possible way, wouldn't she? Try to make everything how the way she wanted to be before. She herself as Vasanth's world and for him to have a better life. It is like her identity is kind of shaken (vasanth's widow, that is how she sees herself and she wants to live as for rest of her life.)and see what Kesar's eyes were like yesterday... so clear with so much love, despite her not wanting to think about it or see it - denial is the word Almost like coming to terms with what he felt and acted with Gulaal so far. A sense of relived that he knows what he feels, and also why she acts the way she is with him. Why she wants K-T alliance in the first place.
What i loved about Kesar, is that he is still calm and there is some sort of peace in him, no gussa He is no more in confusion. He is clear from his point and also unburdened the truth to gulaal. Kind of told her why he acted the way he did. Now he knows all the answers to his questions like he always ask Gulaal why but now he knows it.You always said that Kesar is haunted more by G-D relationship rather than Vasanth's murder. I think he kind of accepts that there is no such thing and trust Gulaal with her decision to forigive D. (and its didnt even matter that she read those letters though i was rather surprised that Gulaal made an attempt to even go and give the letters backI don't think she wanted to deal with the letters. Kind of refusing to go deep into the letter. Giving it back is as to show her rejection to Kesar. These are not a treasure for me, don't hope, I am not going to change my decision no matter what.) I esp when she was saying its not love and so on... and you know this is the Kesar i expect to see from now and wanted (coz i had said that once Kesar gets it, there has to be a change in demeanor from him) and also Kesar expects this Gulaal as well in what she says and act (her denial and disbelief etc) - no matter what Gulaal says or does, as in distances herself, ignores him, is un-nerved by him, angry at him, annoyed at him (coz this somewhat the Gulaal i think we will see from now on, kinda like how Kesar was when he came back and has been) - he will take it, and expect it, accept it and not only that he will want it all - he will want anything that Gulaal dishes out to him, coz atleast she is reacting/venting and reacting towards himSo true. Anthing in from Gulaal he will cherish happily. - he'll want that, in whatever state and emotions, and most importantly whether she believes its love or not at this point as he did say she can call it whatever she wants or look at it in anyway, but dont/not give his love the name of innocence or small Because it is so precious for him, his reason to live. , and its only her that lives in his heart and all these years he has only ever wanted her - Wow Kesar lal has finally got everything clear and you see him so clear and so to the point and so contented in a way, finally he has got it and that it just makes total sense to him and how he is feeling, all these years he's finally found what it has been and what it is... LOVEIsn't he always clear of telling others his feelings, the honesty? Always make clear lines be it Thalli, D or anyone for that matter. No mind games hide and seeks. 😳 and what i even loved more was that he says one day she will have to accept that its the truth, what i loved is that there was no forcing, no forcing of himself - like saying she will have to accept him, and his love as such - all it was just a simple way of saying one day she will realise that its love, and she will have to accept THAT truth, if nothing else... cue Gulaal is shocked and says nothing but kinda doesnt know what to say or has any words but walks out, i somewhat see this bit coming true in the future, that one day she will accept that its love and its the truth
Can i say the other scene that stood out was one of Gulaal looking at the photo of Vasant and child Kesar, two ppl in her life that meant and mean so much, but today Kesar is not Kesar to her is he, she has seen him as a child, isnt that was the photo kinda indicated... thats the Kesar she knows and thats why its going to be so hard for her to see what Kesar is saying and so on and his love being what it is today... and the time she has spent with him in his childhood flashed across i think... that scene could of meant more, but i dont think i am getting it out across so well in writing it here😕No you got it! It is so true. It is the same child Kesar that she wanted, same emotions, not the man who loves her in this way. He is not what she wanted nor dreamed of. maybe in a way this is not the same Kesar they both dreamed of. Vasanth's precious dream.
Gulaal and Kesar love doing things one after the other, last week or so it was Kesar leaving and not telling them anything, coz of everything that happened and how Kesar lives and from his pov, he was like he has had enough and today we see Gulaal wanting to leave, i can see why she would want to leave It is because both of them don't want to or can't deal with the issue. Kind of helpless in situations, don't have any control of things powerless. Both of them are dealing with unsolved issues that were supressed for so long that they just want to run away. - there seems to be some sort of suffocation she is feeling, after everything that has gone on with her, and it has been much - esp if we see what she has goen through before the wedding, in the wedding, after the wedding and then the two things that has changed her life, deeyarvatu stamped for life and proper start and Kesar's love confession. The stamp is needed for her to even see Kesar's side. For their love story to start. intelligence of CVs
Gulaal looks rather lost i say, its something that she doesnt want to do leaving the house, but i see that she feels she has no option at this point and where things have come to.You are right. She is been cornered by situations, society, and cirucmstance, her past decisions.
Like MB says whatever the sarpanch decision was, you cant pressurized Gulaal or force her into seeing Kesar as her hubby esp as the sarpanch went and gave heads way to start this marriage... and like Gulaal says she just doesnt see Kesar and her as hubby/wifey so what use is her staying in the house esp this period of time, i think in a way it is better that she goes and has some time to think or something - anything at the moment to get away from whatever she is feeling and fighting, coz she is hurting, she is aching even if its not been as big as Kesar's hurt we see and see his pov, or Kesar talks to her but i dont think Gulaal can face Kesar at the moment i guess, but i do think that maybe only Kesar can get through to her esp if he says what i will mention at the bottom, its the best solution and starting point
Maybe soon or one day - we can see Gulaal and Kesar coming to the conclusion of carrying on how they have been meaning with the deeyarvatu... not changing anything as such which will be easier for them esp starting out even if outside ppl see them as hubby/wifey and think they have started married life... i think it will be good to see Gulaal-Kesar get started on the right foot, get on the same wavelength as in being civil and ok with each other, and start being i dont know friends or something and then progress from there because at the end of the day... they have a deeyarvatu which has given a go ahead and declare official now

She needs the time to digest everything. She is feeling a lot more than we could say. But I also do think Sarpanch's verdict/decision will make her not leave or comeback later. I can't see Kesar forcing her in any way, but maybe like u said he might get through to her. Like some sort of compromise/deal as to how they will live in front of the society. Give her the comfort zone to be her. You are right they do need that official declaration, for the relationship to flourish. I mean like permision so not to sounds like a sin in the eyes of the society. I mean an approval, so it is just their feelings now and noone elses judgement which might block them moving on.

PRECAP - Gulaal telling Paanbha that she is leaving with being unhappy or upset with anyone but at this time it feels like the right thing to do (i somewhat agree with her, that she feels that it might be the right thing at this moment)It is kind of I did all I can to fulfil Vasanth's dream but now it is better without me.
Not only for me but everybody else too.
So Gulaal leaving the house, Gulaal is connected to that house, even if she leaves - she will be back, and i leave it as that i guess 😊

Of course

Lovely post Just what went through my mind which I couldn't put in words. Thanks for voicing me.
Edited by surithy - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Was waiting for your topic 😃

I think like me, you were also expecting the letters to come out later...right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Due to that expectation I was at first taken aback because I wanted Gulaal to read his turmoil at a stage when she was battling her own feelings towards Kesar but in retrospection, the letters kind of laid a base for the future of their love story. Now she knows where all that initial hatred came from, why he was acting the way he was. Kesar has nothing to hide anymore because he is so clear in the head while Gulaal has got so many shocks all at once.

The scene where she barged in to her room sobbing and holding on to Vasant's photo made me feel really bad for her :( Again its up to interpretation but it felt like she had to embrace Vasant's photo to convince herself that she is his. There was a lot of desperation which ofcourse can be defined as a 'I wish you were here' plea.

The letter scene was beautifully done and yup I thought of the imli scene too 😳

Kesar's attitude was really admirable. He told her to think whatever she wants about her own feelings towards him but she shouldn't insult his emotions as just attachment. Kesar won't force anything upon her and he's just so at peace with himself that he is willing to wait forever for her...or not even expect anything in return except that she just stays with him.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I have heard so much about this imli scene but I don't think I have watched it? Is it the scene where Kesar brings imli's for Gulaal but gives them to Talli in front of her and then Talli offers them to Gulaal because she does not like imli's? I can't remember any other imli scene...any links?
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It's when Gulaal suggests the marriage of KT first time to MotaBa. Before he comes in to her room, she's takes out the imlis Kesar gave her and she's looking at them (quite dreamily tbh) but as soon as MotaBa enters the room, she suddenly drops the imlis from her hand. After MotaBa leaves, she has tears in her eyes while picking up the scattered imlis. It was a very poignant scene which had a lot of depth to it.

I can't remember the date but I'll have a look.
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Thanks!! I don't know how I missed that scene...I'll try and find it as well 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Srushti-

Lennie I loved your view...especially about Gulaal...
I am just copy pasting what I wrote in KRML today...

O boy!! I know the moment Gulaal saw those letters ...we are goners...
The ways she reads them and then frantically goes for the other and then the other...
Kesuda's voice ringing in her ears...The letter depicted his turmoils and turbulence, his pain, his anguish...how much he had fought with himself during those lonely years...
I just wonder at the lonely child sitting in his room, writing this ...pouring his heart...a friendless boy... a tortured boy!! long nights trying to wonder why would she not leave his memory...why would she not leave him alone...and why this breathlessness at her thought...why this pain in his heart at not being able to see her...how much anguish would he have buried in his heart...*sigh* my heart cries for that lonely boy in his hostel room, crying his heart out...

Gulaal too gets a whack on her head thinking about it...the way she gathers those letters when they get swamped in the wind...I loved how she cares for the letters as if they were so precious...I loved how she understood the value of those letters for Kesar...

And then she goes to put that back and they show an elongated shot which later on includes Kesar's back and we know kesuda is watching😳
And the cool and calm and collected Kesuda in white kurta...with folded hands...MY !!! Does he look dashing...so completely at ease with himself ...

And it is such a big difference since his last time na...where he had frantically snatched those letters from Gulaal...Right now he just content with the fact that she has read them...and now she knows that it was not a momentary loss...
I loved loved and loved how he said that it is not the childhood bondage.. it is his love since childhood...
He so knows Gulaal still thinks that he considers himself bounden to him and hence wants to break the bond that he could be free to marry anyone...he just puts it at ease...that it is not a bondage...he has surrendered himself voluntarily to this bond...

And I dont know... I found to a certain extent Gulaal's point of view right...A woman at her age is bound to think so..that it is attraction...
But I absolutely love this in control Kesuda...he doesnot break down this time...he is not shocked or hurt..he is not even angry like all the times...
He just calmly tells her that she can give herself any amount of reasonings she wants but not to reduce his love to attraction...

That is the pride of a lover..he can take anything from his lover...but he cannot take the deprecation of his love...that is the most sacred feeling and it has to remain that way...

The way he says that there cannot be anyone else...whatever she tried to be anyone else...*sigh*

And in the end he challenges...almost on the verge of tears...
That one day she has to understand his love...
and do I need to say I loved it...
He did not say that One day she will love him back...he just says that she will know the depth of his love and not demean it to attraction...but doesnot expect her to love him in return...because he doesnot expect it...that is not love for him...and also because he knows..that she loves him...in her own way she does...and he is happy with it...awww...I want one like him😳

Thanks Srushti for replying
I agree with saw some care in the way she gathered the letters up and also when she even placed them in Kesar's room, and the fact that she went to also put it up there - those letters also came at the wrong time in the sense that Gulaal wasnt looking at it deeper way, esp as she took one letter and then rushed onto the next one - all she felt was like she said he has some lagao to her
Gulaal as i said is right to think that its not love, its has to be some attachment and so on, and attraction has well,
I also like how Kesar is being, he is so clear in what he saying and calm - and he expects whatever she wants to think and say, but he has finally found his contentment in knowing what is has been for so long
I so agree with when you say the pride of a lover sentense 👏
I have to say thats what i loved the most that he wasnt forcing her to love him or expect anything from her, but one day she will realise his love is actual love, - depth of his love, and over the years it never wavered despite how much anger, hate, and pain he had... Gulaal does love him in her own way, esp as she said it after the drowning incident
Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: manzilmukul

Oh lennie was waiting so much for your post.😭...finally here.OMG I am so in awe of your insights I think all the guys here do a fantastic job👏

Arti,shrushti,shalini-fantastic sense of humour😊

kiran-enthusiastic😊

Meysimi-great rational thinker...so on.forgive me if I missed some of them😊

WEll today again the scene which stood out for me and everyone was the kes gul one when our Kesar firmly says that she will understand one day that that it's love...my my...he dosen't force her to reciprocate his feelings...but only wants her to believe in his love...fantastically done scene...the chemistry is sooo good even without silly duppatta flowing,eyelocks...and BG romantic songs...you can so feel the amazing cjhemistry...I think that is the real beauty of this show...

anyways let's make a deal😉...You should know that I am so in love with your writing...so I will not not say every now and then😆

Thanks so much, family functions goes on all day, and even today had the same thing that went on all day
Thanks again for the compliment, and yes everyone who you mentions writes so well Clap
The scene was so simple, and so to the point - and so genuine, and Kesar in all he does is straight to the point
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: truedecent

Very nice Lennie 👏 n the episode's best scene for me was kesar-gulaal scene offcourse, loved it how kesar told her that one day she vl have to accept his love 👏 n the shock on gulaal's face... speechless she was, stunned that she wanted to disagree with this big big fact but the reality was standing firm n determined right in front of her 🤗

Thanks 😊
Kesar told her that one day it will happen, she will realise it herself the love he has for her, that its actual love - and we saw no forcing of him saying you will love me too etc - just Kesar saying one day the depth of my love you will accept it, realise it - he expects nothing else from her, just her to be what she has always been... Gulaal just was stunned that she couldnt say anything at all, she even tried to say something but nothing would come out so she left, got to Manasi was great in that scene 😳
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: arti07

great post lennie ! u said it all !

Thanks 😊
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Originally posted by: surithy

Lovely post Just what went through my mind which I couldn't put in words. Thanks for voicing me.

Thanks so much for the inputs, though i had to read it a few times, as i was getting jumbled up with my writing and your writing and the colour on the text 😆😆😆
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