Kesar's insecurities

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Anjalg

@Anjalg

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Posted: 14 years ago

Hello all...

I am pretty new to this forum. Had watched a few episodes here and there BUT really got into the show after the leap. Needless to say, I adore Kesar...actually loved his young boy character back then and simply love love love the show because of the Gulaal and Kesar chemistry!! I have noticed a few things which have begun to bother me hence this post. I might be way off because I know a lot of you have been watching the show from the start and I might have missed a lot of things in between. Hoping you guys can help me out...

So, I know Kesar is angry at Gulaal because he overheard a conversation between Gulaal, Dushyant and Durgesh where Durgesh pretty much implied that Gulaal was having an affair with Dush? Then Kesar went off to boarding school and refused to meet her for 10 years. So, here is where I get confused...even as a child, Kesar has witnessed how much Gulaal loved Vasant. Besides Vasant, Kesar became the center of Gulaal's universe...I watched an episode where G drops K off at school and waits for him to come out just because K had requested her to. After V's death, G was asked to leave but K would not let her...I mean he cried and cried begging her to stay and she did!! Basically, I felt that K even as a child knew Gulaal inside out and G knew K even better than his own mother. So, what happened for K to start believing the conversation with Durgesh? Is he angry that she knew about Dush killing Vasant and not telling anyone...or the fact that she sent him off to boarding school...? Does he really believe that his G could be having an affair with the man who murdered her husband? Actually forget that...does he really believe that G could be having an affair with ANYONE?

About yesterday...again...K had the guts to ask his mother the one question that has been killing him for the past 10 years. His mother was hurt and offended that her son (the one person who should know G really well) is actually falling for the village gossip. Paanbha pretty much explained everything to K and even admitted that their family was responsible for G's condition as she could have left after V's death but stayed back. Paanba encouraged K to become G's strength and support and I adore her for that. After listening to all this from his own mother...the only thing he could remember was some random women gossiping about G and Dush when he saw Dush outside G's room?? Does he not trust G at all? What am I missing? When G and K had had a little confrontation after she had fallen in the lake...G had stressed that if K wants to believe his 'reason' and not her...so be it! I think that was a really hard hitting scene!

I know K loves Gulaal and the more I watch the back episodes...it is pretty clear that this show was never about G and Vasant...it has always been building up towards G and K...little things that he has said and done to imply that G and he belonged together. Love is good but trust is the foundation for any relationship. K does not trust his own G and I have a feeling that G might be able to stand the whole village talking nonsense about her...but if and when she finds out that her K has had the same doubts...that will break her...

Nothing I have written above is meant to offend anyone. Trust me...I want Gulaal and Kesar to fall in love as well...just my thoughts and will appreciate your comments...😃

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Posted: 14 years ago

You know, now I feel that if I say anything in Gulaal's defence I'll be completely dismissed here because everyone only sees Kesar's pain. I cannot stress enough how much I adore his character, how brilliantly etched out it is and I really do understand his frustration but it seems like no-one actually bothers to see what Gulaal is going through. When Kesar came back, she DID try to ask him what the issue is. Why is he so angry all the time? After being rebuked, she just left it because she never got a reply. Now she's getting attacked for slapping Kesar even though none of us have actually heard what Kesar said to Dushyant. At least listen to what Kesar says in the scene, then decide. Yet we understood why he manhandled Gulaal that one time, right? WE know why he hates Dushyant so much, we understand his anger because as viewers we have seen all the pain he goes through but Gulaal hasn't. She can see an angry young man who lashes out but never really gives a reason why.

What is her fault exactly? That she doesn't want to fall in love with a guy considerably younger than her? That she's loyal to her deceased husband? I've said it time and time again that as viewers we have the liberty to build up this sympathy for the protagonist but that does not necessarily mean that the other characters can see the same viewpoint. Kesar's pain is meant to be hidden from everyone especially Gulaal! WE KNOW what Kesar heard 10 years back, Gulaal and the rest of the family do NOT.

We talk about Gulaal not deserving Kesar because of her behaviour with him but even Kesar treats Talli like crap yet we don't dwell on that factor much because we dislike the girl. His anger is justified but Gulaals isn't? He can get angry but she cannot?

Neither of them are flawless yet we only seem to be finding flaws with Gulaal. I love them BOTH because they aren't perfect and thats why I enjoy their scenes.

Edited by *Reemz* - 14 years ago

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Anjalg

@Anjalg

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Posted: 14 years ago

Thanks Reemz 👏

I absolutely agree with you! I love both characters...its not that I have started liking Kesar after the leap...I really did enjoy character as a child. I am just stunned by his anger...

Gulaal spent every waking moment with Kesar..before and after Vasant's death...he literally was the center of her universe...so where on Earth in his mind...did she have the time to have feelings for Dush? I can understand his anger towards Dush and even maybe towards Gulaal for not turning Dush in for Vasant's murder..but Kesar should know his Gulaal better than believing stupid gossip! He has been punishing her for the past 10 years by refusing to meet her. I suppose one finger pointed at Gulaal has erased everything she has done for him, all the love she has showered on him...

You know, I actually appreciated it when she left him alone. Talli goes on and on even when he is in an obviously bad mood but Gulaal knows when to let him be...I just got really upset yesterday. After that heart to heart with his mom, the only thing that ruled in his head was village gossip...?? Trust comes first...not doubting his love but he needs to trust Gulaal first...

Gosh, feel like many people will not like this post 😔

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alanta

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Posted: 14 years ago

Do anyone have any idea what Gulaal exactly feel for Kesar?

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AnveshaAT

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Posted: 14 years ago

Reemz,

It not anything about anyone dismissing you out. Just like how you have stated facts in gulaal's favor, there can be many for Kesar as well.

One thing we need to know here is just like how Gulaal is unaware and we viewers know about what Kesar heard, its only us viewers who have been subject to Gulaal "Mahantaish" acts, NOT Kesar.

His mother advised him to trust Gulaal. I for one would want to know if Paanba and the family will dismiss with a smile when she comes to know that Dushyant murdered her son. I would certainly want to know how a mother would feel when she knows that the DIL whom she lays her blind devotion on has been partner in crime in covering up the murder of her beloved son and also being sweet to him for these many years. I want to know if she would still believe her DIL. Practically, IMPOSSIBLE

To me, Gulaal's downright friendliness with Dushyant annoys me. No woman is capable of that. Thats certain.

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Posted: 14 years ago

That's what I'm saying. I completely understand Kesar's POV too and I don't dismiss those facts in favour of Kesar either. I get why he acts how he does but I also understand why Gulaal acts the way she does (except I wish she wouldn't give false hopes to Talli anymore).

The only way to aggravate Kesar more is to show scenes where Gulaal is sympathetic towards Dushyant. Logically speaking, its a way to move the story forward and for that, Gulaal may do certain things which make us uncomfortable. She has completely forgiven Dushyant and thats how it stands for her.

@AnjalG: Kesar's character has always been so interesting to watch. He's so unconventional and I love his extreme traits even. I guess in a way he is so bewildered by the fact that the woman he trusted most forgave her husbands murderer and there was no explanation given at all. As a child you become very impressionable. Over the years the love, pain and anguish have only grown so he's very insecure about losing Gulaal which makes him act eccentric at times.

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Lennie

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: *Reemz*
You know, now I feel that if I say anything in Gulaal's defence I'll be completely dismissed here because everyone only sees Kesar's pain. I cannot stress enough how much I adore his character, how brilliantly etched out it is and I really do understand his frustration but it seems like no-one actually bothers to see what Gulaal is going through. When Kesar came back, she DID try to ask him what the issue is. Why is he so angry all the time? After being rebuked, she just left it because she never got a reply. Now she's getting attacked for slapping Kesar even though none of us have actually heard what Kesar said to Dushyant. At least listen to what Kesar says in the scene, then decide. Yet we understood why he manhandled Gulaal that one time, right? WE know why he hates Dushyant so much, we understand his anger because as viewers we have seen all the pain he goes through but Gulaal hasn't. She can see an angry young man who lashes out but never really gives a reason why.

What is her fault exactly? That she doesn't want to fall in love with a guy considerably younger than her? That she's loyal to her deceased husband? I've said it time and time again that as viewers we have the liberty to build up this sympathy for the protagonist but that does not necessarily mean that the other characters can see the same viewpoint. Kesar's pain is meant to be hidden from everyone especially Gulaal! WE KNOW what Kesar heard 10 years back, Gulaal and the rest of the family do NOT.

We talk about Gulaal not deserving Kesar because of her behaviour with him but even Kesar treats Talli like crap yet we don't dwell on that factor much because we dislike the girl. His anger is justified but Gulaals isn't? He can get angry but she cannot?

Neither of them are flawless yet we only seem to be finding flaws with Gulaal. I love them BOTH because they aren't perfect and thats why I enjoy their scenes.

I couldnt have said it better esp on how to see both Gulaal and Kesar's pain and anguish and so on

At times i feel like no one really understands Gulaal or like you say dismisses it(certain nit-picking on her goes on and what she does and did do in the past - sorry to say guys seems harsh me saying that, but i dont mean any bashing or anything), and not only that as women i would of thought we would understand her and what she goes through why even today she is what she is, why she is like how she with Kesar at what has just happened (like Talli says lately Gulaal seems not herself) - its kinda surprising we dont see her pain and anguish but only Kesar's pain whilst i totally get Kesar as well, and why his anger is his weakness and so on, like i said yesterday in my thread, how i summed up Kesar and see him

And if i didnt know anything about Kesar's inner battles, to me it would just look like he is crossing his limits and speaking however he wants and disrespecting everyone and everything, thats how it looks to ppl in the family esp what will go on today when he lashes out about him and Vasant and then at D

Like you Reemz, i see both of their pains and so on and understand each of their pov and their journey's individually and together - both are lonely wounded souls

I totally get what Kesar is like, and what pain, hurt he has suppressed and so on, but i have also seen what Gulaal has been through and why and what she has done, why for her her family is so important and whom she loves as a whole

As for the slapping it going with the story whilst we just pick on it OMG look what she has done but that slap is rather big IMO and how it causes even more friction between them, and moves the story forward, and see how it will effect both of Gulaal and Kesar, and esp Kesar and so on... it will be interesting to see how much tension and intensity this increases up and now that i feel Kesar is gonna go on a vegeance path

This show has always been about everyone, they work as a whole show, so you wont really see just see Kes-Gul as most ppl want to see, each and every character connects to them and story-wise

I have always said Kesar will understand (not only that but also give her that support and strength that she needs) why Gulaal did what she did with D back then and why she forgave him, he has that maturity in him to understand, coz he isnt ignorant or stone-hearted, after all these years he hasnt even managed to hate Gulaal says alot and how he has yearned and longed for her despite what he heard, and how he constantly battles within himself, about it and certain faith he has on Gulaal, that she isnt got any relation with D and there must be a reason for forgiving him, but at every turn something or other happens that makes him question what Durgesh said, coz of what is happening at this moment even more...

Its something else isnt it to feel so attached to these characters and to feel for them and so on and to understand them as well from their own pov but also totally get why and who they are as well

Anjalg - What Kesar heard back then, well he wasnt suppose to was he, but we saw it shocked him to the core, and you see him when he came back and how he must of lived on one fact that matters is that Gulaal knew, that hurted him more then anything, more then even D doing the deed, you always feel angry and hurt on the person you love the most and this is in Kesar's case, all his emotions is directed at and for Gulaal, and all thoses years and even in his letters, he bares his soul which is Gulaal this and Gulaal that

With D, its just pure anger and defence, he feels nothing for D other then anger, he has no other feelings at all, but with Gulaal we see a whole-shed of feelings

Kesar doesnt believe it, but what he keeps hearing time and time again esp now and everything he sees how G is with D, it just takes him back to what he heard, his emotions and anger increases and we can also call it jealousy at some point, and its not helping with Raman stirring it in, in a way

Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago