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Posted: 14 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: *Reemz*


Ok so Gulaal was Kesar's bhabhi i.e. mother-figure. If we just take that relationship in to consideration (forget the child issue) then even Kumkum showed the devar marrying his widowed bhabhi. No, it's not the same......the child issue CAN'T be forgotten....it's the CRUX of everything😆.....otherwise this is any average story in any other show.....marriage under majboori.....fall in love after marriage....the works.....this is TOTALLY different from Kumkum or any other show.....all of which had ADULTS under consideration.....not a woman or a man marrying a KID.

I'm not condoning or supporting these scenarios but as of now, the fact is that BOTH Gulaal and Kesar are adults and married. NOW they are both adults but SHE married a CHILD.....NOW it's convenient ofcourse since they look like adults....but no one pauses for a second to remember that she PLAYED with him as a KID? Changed his clothes and literally took care of him like a mother would in a sense for her child?? This can so easily transition to man-woman love?? Gulaal had married him back then promising that she will find a bride for Kesar when he grows up and she has done that in the form of Talli.

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Posted: 14 years ago
#12
I don't think we'll see eye to eye regarding this but that doesn't mean I disagree with you. I'm just taking this AS A FICTIONAL show which entertains and interests me. If the concept intrigues the viewer then it works no matter how immoral or ethical it is. These shows have to entertain, Hannibal as a film as to grip the viewer regardless of how disgusting it is.

If this was a documentary then I'd be shaking my head :)


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Posted: 14 years ago
#13
yaar iss ladke ko hamesha umar se badi ladki hi kyon milti hai as a wife.......karol bagh mein bhi aisa hi tha...........i dont like that ......i wish kesar wil be paired with talli.....nd gulaal with dushyant
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Posted: 14 years ago
#14
No they weren't like mother-son, or older sister-younger brother. They were GULAAL AND KESAR! He didn't even call her bhabhi. They were each other's support after Vasant died.

Balika Vadhu's concept is still absurd. Obviously their chemistry as kids wasn't sexually charged but nor was Gulaal and Kesars. They were friends! But now I'm assuming they are showing 'moments' between the lead pair in BV which are sexually charged for obvious reasons. They've grown up and so has Kesar in this show.

If Kesar hadn't gone away to boarding school then we could have said that Gulaal has brought him but thats not the case.

Hi, im not trying to be rude or offend you, but in previous episodes when gulaal and vasant were newly weds, paanba and other characters used to comment that gulaal was like a second mother to kesar, and gulaal listened to all these comments happily, and even agreed at one point that, that is the role she will become in his life. Furthermore after their 'marriage' Gulaal insisted that she would raise kesar again, and no offense you don't 'raise' your husbands but only your children or younger siblings. So as far as im concerned it would be seriously weird and wrong that a child that she send she would raise, and was happy to viewed as a second mother too, suddenly becomes an object of sexual desire for her.
On the other hand, kesar himself has never seen gulaal as a mother or sister figure, and now's hes older and matured, I think it would be perfectly natural for him to view gulaal in this manner, especially considering he thinks of her as his wife.
Edited by suki11 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I am not sure where you guys are getting the idea that Gulaal has sexual feelings for Kesar? I have watched every episode of this show till date and not in a single one of them has Gulaal behaved towards Kesar in an immoral manner. Even their "marriage" was a mere show for the society and from Gulaal's POV did not change the equation between them...either when he was a child or today when he is a grown man.

Kesar on the other hand had difficulty in defining or understanding his relationship with Gulaal. He actually didn't feel the need to define it until his friends and his villagers and family started treating Gulaal-and-Kesar's relationship as having changed. He was confused by the various things said by others as a child and never got an answer to his confusion really because he was sent away. And the creatives showed him behaving as realistically as a child his age would in those situations.

Today, does Kesar think of Gulaal as his wife? I don't think thats entirely true in the sense a grown man would think of a grown woman as his wife. There is a lot of history between Gulaal and Kesar. Kesar's tension, anger and intense feelings are not for Gulaal his wife who has betrayed him... but rather for the bhabhi/friend/guide/ almost Goddess figure that he was the closest too as a child who has or might have betrayed him. He is now trying to figure out if she really is a "meethi churi" who puts up a sweet front or if she truly is the person (notice that i said person and not woman) he adored as a child.

The Villagers/Pandit who know of the deyar-vattu ask of Gulaal to perform the rites of a wife with Kesar when it comes to religious rituals. But notice that none in the family ask Gulaal to stay in the same room as Kesar or to perform other wifely duties towards him. Because they know the relationship between Kesar and Gulaal is not of the husband-wife. Even Talli who is "in-love" with Kesar doesn't think anything when the priest asks Gulaal to sit at the right hand of Kesar which is the place for the wife. WHY? Because the family never condoned the "marriage". And they know Gulaal and Kesar's relationship is anything but defiled by sexuality. Other than Jamuna Kaki no family member would even think of them as married. Whether u name it as mother-son or sister-brother...doesn't matter. Its rather a Person-person connection...a deep set one. Where one person feels immense love for the other. In Kesar and Gulaal's current situation its hard to define that feeling to someone who only knows named relationships where feelings and desires are clearly defined within boundaries. But if one were to set the mind free to think of human relationships that sometimes don't fit into the norms set by society, but is not necessarily illicit or immoral.. but a connection of heart to heart... Kesar and Gulaal will not seem perverse to them.

It is to be seen where their relationship goes from here. It might change into that of a man and his wife. Its likely that certain factors of society like the kind of people Jamuna Kaki, Raman and Durgesh are will want to harass Gulaal by insisting she lives the relationship of a married couple with Kesar now that he is old enough. What Gulaal will do at this juncture will be seen. If Gulaal remains consistent she will forego her rights as wife and bring Talli into Kesar's life. But this is not just Gulaal's decision and Kesar's current state of mind is unpredictable. He might make things very difficult for Gulaal.

I would suggest that everyone who is taking part in this discussion at least watch the show to see what Gulaal-Kesar relationship was when it started and how it developed and got to this stage now. Unless it is watched and understood in the way that it slowly grew and changed due to situations, the arguments will not stand.

The show never supports the marriage of Gulaal-Kesar. The parents are seen clearly objecting. But Panba understood that Gulaal did it to save Kesar's life. She had no other way of ensuring his safety. Her intention of marriage was not to prevent herself from having to leave Vasant's home or to prevent having to marry Vasant's killer. But her primary reason was to save Kesar from being attacked again. Kesar would have been killed by Raman had Gulaal not married him at that point. Mota-ba never found out the reason for Gulaal's decision. So when he realized what had happened he did what he could to undo the damage. He sent Kesar away. Panba and Gulaal's family knew that Gulaal never intended to have Kesar be her husband due to the Deyar-Vattu. But she herself would find him a bride when he was old enough. Thus far I find no issues with the way the story is shown and the audience accepting the show for what it shown.

If the audience expects to see sexual tension between Gulaal and Kesar, its because Gulaal is the central character and being able to predict where the drama lies, anyone can deduce that Gulaal and Kesar's relationship will be the major plot for the next track of the show. Until the mess is resolved, this is what we will see. Not Gulaal lusting after Kesar...but that people will now raise questions about Gulaal and Kesar living as husband and wife and the dilemma it will put them both in.

ok this post got long. oops.
Edited by -JC- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#16
LOL ok.....so once again, I feel my point is being escaped here.....I guess these are all "evolved" viewpoints in this forum that don't really care about anything as long as there's a love story to root for.

Why is everyone jumping on ME for pointing out the sexual tension?? What about the many posts talking about the "fire" and chemistry b/w Kesar and Gulaal? I certainly didn't make those posts.

Finally I will state this for the final time......this show actually showed a grown woman marrying a CHILD.....a child 10 years of age....not a teen 15 or 16 who's hit puberty but no, an actual honest to goodness CHILD.......a child that this member suki11 points out above Gulaal DID treat as her child in a sense to rear at one point......THIS "child" is now a MAN that everyone can see she is expected to ultimately fall in love with.....please don't tell me I'm making this up.....every thread in this forum is only talking about this potential love story and I'm being jumped upon as if I pulled this out of thin air😕😆

Truly ANYTHING works on Indian TV these days.....no concept is too creepy. It all becomes conveniently sorted into a love story sooner or later.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree with -JC- again. If you WATCH the Kesar-Gulaal scenes till now you will realise that they need to be judged on their own merit and not just as any 12 year old with a 22 year old woman. Even now she does not look at him as her husband because she just doesn't think of him that way, never has. She is more than happy to give him away to Talli but the tension's actually coming from Kesar who has always been possessive about Gulaal and now its come to a point where he really hates her but at the same time he can't let go of that admiration for the woman who was there for him when he needed someone the most.

It's not about getting excited for a love story, its simply enjoying what Kesar and Gulaal share. It's not the usual bond, it's got layers, lots of them which is why people are intrigued about their potential to come together.

I can't explain myself anymore but as some of us have said, if you GET Kesar-Gulaal's bond then you won't question the current scenario.

BTW, Dandy_18, there are more politer ways of putting your point across.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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You know I have a friend who got married at 14 to a 22 year old guy. And of course she entered into a husband and wife relationship straight away.
I also met a girl a few days ago who told me her devar, when he was 18, fell in love with a 28 year old girl. They got married and now 12 years later they have 4 children and are happily married.
These things do happen. But people always find a young girl getting married to an older guy easier to accept. I must admit when I initially heard the story about the 18 year old guy marrying the 28 year old I was kind of shocked but then I thought to myself I was being hypocritical cos I I wouldnt have thought twice about it, if it had been an 18 year old girl marrying a 28 year old guy!
In this show I think the cv's have been very clever in showing that Kesar lived apart from Gulaal for 8 years. Perhaps if they had lived together their relationship would have taken a different path.
Anyway i have yet to see todays episode so will comment on all the other posts once Ive seen it. But from all the reactions it seems interesting!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree with most of the people here. Looking at it from a purely one sided view isn't enough. Its a complex situation. The fact that Gulaal married Keser was backed by the fact that she did it to save his life. Nothing else, it was that simple. So the way she looked after him like a big sister is normal and it was a really healthy normal relationship. There isn't anything to defend there.

The fact that even grown up Gulaal has no feeling of sexual nature is obvious by the way she's treating Keser. It's Keser who has complex feeling for Gulaal. Which for him seems really normal cos he is confused about many things.

I think Gulaal won't fall for Keser and will do everything in her power to make him marry the other girl. Its obvious though that in the end Keser and Gulaal will fall in love with each other. Since they didn't have any illicit feelings about it when Keser was a young boy would maintain the purity of that relationship. Growing to love each other can be a natural progression of things.
Even in Emma by Jane austen, Mr Knightly falls in love with Emma when she was a girl of 10, but that doesn't make it pedophilia, because he doesn't do anything about that. He has a hand in her up bringing(to a certain degree) but they marry in the end. Here even while being married Keser and Gulaal shared the most pure relationship. So if after both are adults they wish to change the dynamic of that relationship it doesn't come across as wrong. If Gulaal lusted after Keser when he was a kid now that would be creepy.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I am still surprised that ppl are bringing sexual feelings and lusty feelings in here, which doesnt even have to addressed or questioned in Kes-Gul's bond at all IMO
They always shared Pure bond, even now and even if they do happen to fall in love in a way esp if Kesar starts to feel it more, love has many layers and emotions, and soulful which the bond of Gul-Kesar is to even comment that is or will be sexual - i dont see nothign sexual at all and i dont want to see it like that, love isnt all upto being about that
I hope ppl realise that actual relation and bond of them to understand them and everything
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