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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Sherry24

Sympathy to Empathy………It’s a long way!

Longtime. Breaking the break! Not that I’m happy with what is happening, nor have I seen a positive sign that I was seeking out. On contrary, things only seem to be going downhill. But this was something that was playing on my mind since a couple of episodes. So decided to put this down.

Sympathy and Empathy. Two very over used and abused words today. But I remember how decades back sympathy was a more common word. Before empathy gradually took over. Two words so similar, with only one letter making them different. And that one letter makes all the difference. Let’s explore the very difference through the two characters. Sai & V.

Sai and V as characters are emotional. But V is known to be more sensitive and expressive. While Sai is known to be more practical. But does being more emotional make a person sympathetic or empathetic? Well not really.

How would I define the difference. Sympathy is acknowledging the situation or concern of a person. Empathy is when you can feel the pain.

V acknowledges the pain. He knows that Sai is suffering. But he fails to understand the depth of it. He fails to place himself in that situation and understand her emotions. Why I say so?

Will V ever allow Sai to marry and build a family with Savi calling someone else her “Baba”? When that is exactly what he is asking Sai to do. Will he allow Sai to separate Savi from him? Why does he feel possessive and get triggered with JM’s presence in Savi’s life? Savi’s attachment and relationship with JM makes him jealous.

Clinical. Yes, we may say that is his approach. But he contradicts this approach by being overly emotional and sensitive to P and himself and applies a clinical approach with Sai.

And he has been applying this all throughout. Today, we saw a perfect example…a very disturbing one

V wants both his kids to be with him. Is he discriminating between his kids? No. Then how does he think that Sai can live without one of her kids? Will he barter one kid for P? Then how could he say “tumhare paas Savi hai”? If for a father every child is same and equally indispensable, then how did he provide such a justification? Sai was absolutely right. His logic made zero sense to a mother. Because it sounded like regular transaction. Reconciliation of balance sheet. Balancing the debits and credits on each side. PATHETIC!

I wonder if he really sees things in such a manner, how has he never considered the fact that, what P has and what Sai lost? Because he will fail. There is no comparison. Because we are not talking about the importance or worth of non tangible. But counting the tangible. So why does he have such a comparison when it comes to Sai. He ignores the fact that she lived alone all these years, with the guilt of losing her son. All she has is her daughter. She has no family or support system.

While P enjoys all of it, but V considers none of that. For him P needs Vinu as a purpose. That is when I remember what P told him after Karishma left CN. V tried to tell P that she has everything. Vinu, him and the entire family. What else does she wantIf he feels that way has he ever thought what Sai has in that respect? P replies “Hairani ki baat yeh hai, ki jinke paas kuch nahi hota wo apni taqdeer ke saath samjhauta kar lete hai, haalaton ko sweekar kar lete hai. Par jinke paas sab kuch hokar bhi kuch nahi hota unki taqleef ko inahi samajh sakta.” Ironically, he understood P’s pain here too, but he never understands Sai through either lenses.

We had been waiting to see Sai’s breakdown. Because we felt that Sai does not express her pain and V in incapable of reading beyond her words. But we were proved wrong. Sai broke down, he saw her trauma, her suffering, her guilt. All of it. Sai had practically bared it all.

But if I take the liberty of being crude, all he took from that was the hug and the touch. His plan to get Sai and Vinu closer to fill her emptiness was only to keep her in the same mode with him. Not to disturb the equation he felt he had just experienced.


Exactly! Yesterday I said this in the most crass way possible. If Sai agrees to sleep with him (which she will not but...), he will never resolve anything with Pakhi. He will support pakhi, play hsuband with Sai as he has been doing. Split the kids between two houses. He doesnt want to disturb the equation. If Sai agrees to love him back he will happy. I didnt expect I would say this for Virat one day. But it did seem like that. Because all the while we were hoping that he was only looking for some indication from Sai's side. Once he receives it, he will clarify everything with Sai. But no!!! Pakhi comes first. He will comfortable maintain two families. One family is LOVE and one family is FARZ

P was screaming "mera pati", "mera bacha". All the righteous officer did was give the helpless look to Sai (please understand). Sai can be abused, accused, this man stands mute. Letting his jugadu wife and family mistreat Sai. But he goes all out to strip Sai off every single happiness to cater to his "J" wife's needs. Not a word there.

Again, an example of his sympathetic approach than an empathetic one. Till he realized Vinu is his son, did the adopted child replace his own child for him? No. He still carried the feeling of loss. But how did he fail to apply the same for Sai? Sympathy lacking empathy?

Sai is wrong. Why? She gave him two things that has gone against her. One. Her strength. Unfortunately, her strength became her weakness. He believes that Sai can survive alone and face the world and yet to succumb, but P with a battalion behind her is still the priority who needs to be provided all that she wants.

Two her words. “Sach aur zaroori mein se zaroori ko chunna chahiye”. And he chose what he felt was “Zaroori”. And “Sach” …that can die an instant death, never to resurface.

It became clear that he wanted Vinu to be with P and let her raise him. It was only because of Sai’s insistence that he gave in and asked for time. Not because he felt Sai was correct, but he knew Sai will not back down.

So the marriage is real. He has already mentioned it a few times, while trying to convince Sai indirectly that they don’t share a normal marriage. How does that help Sai? That is his choice. Sai has already accepted the marriage and expects nothing from him. Why does he always dump things on people basis his convenience and liking. He loves Sai and so he will not share a conjugal relationship with P despite being married to her. But her will give his son in exchange. That is his choice. Sai has already made her choice clear which does not match with his. Like she said. “Who gave him the right to take decisions of her life?”

If he wants to sacrifice for P, sacrifice yourself. Who gave him the right to sacrifice Vinu for it? And what kind of a father is he that he putting up his son for exchange than himself!

Because he can’t cheat with his emotions. But Sai should kill hers emotions and maternal feelings.

And why should she do it? He keeps saying P did so much for him. What did P do for Sai? And how is Sai accountable for it? Since that is the language V speaks. Calculative. P has only snatched everything from Sai and yet V wants Sai to sacrifice for some favour P did for him and his family. If P is his wife, how can he ask a stranger (Sai) to pay up for him and his family?

Again, same thing I said. Why is he playing husband to Sai all the time!! As a husband take decisions that favors your wife. he is Sai's husband only physically. He is more emotional towards Pakhi's needs. If you want to protect her life, tell her the reality and put her on suicide watch. Thats what you do for criminals 😡. And sherry, only couple of days back he told the truth and reality to Pakhi right? That he regrets his decisions and he has wronged Sai always. He should tell Pakhi in the same way that Vinu is Sai's son. We both have made her suffer a lot. Now let him be with his mother. I will be there for you! But no, he doesnt want her as wife. So he trades Vinu.

This is why I feel, V cannot empathize. He evaluates the situation basis his calculation. Who is stronger, who is weaker. What he sees. He saw P’s struggles, but only heard about Sai’s suffering. P cries all the time, Sai barely breaks down. These are his parameters and one can’t empathize on such calculations.

Though, I’m past the stage to make any predictions or positivity, but will highlight a few points which may be consequential.

Sai broke the clay house Vinu had built. It seems like a premonition. P running away with Vinu and running into some life threat again. Vinu’s heartbroken state will compel Sai to build his house again that she promised. And she will decide to keep herself out of it. Not for P, but for her son! This will be a parallel to the scene where V agrees to Savi’s adoption request. The carrot Sai will get in return will be “choti mumma”. I doubt that part too, considering P’s insecurity.

In all this, I fail to understand, how no one has thought about Vinu’s psychological state at being an adopted child. Guessing it will come out later.

I wish, BK proposed surrogacy and starts to discriminate. But I doubt it at this stage, due to P’s state and attachment with Vinu.

Sai said that V chose his “Ex-GF” over her and their child. She gave him option. And she was forced to leave. V’s reaction was not as if he agreed. This I will connect with V’s convo with P right after K left. He had said he “regretted” letting Sai leave. Now if I put these together, his dialogue that Sai ran away means he has not had reflection. Because he does regret letting Sai go, but not his decision of saving P. Maybe he saved P for a reason only known to him. But as usual failed to disclose the same to Sai. And in his ego let Sai leave. So his regret is only limited to letting Sai leave, but he does not believe his decision to save P was wrong.

Exactly. Whatever Karishma said went into the drain. He himself told the reality to Pakhi that he regrets letting Sai go and support her. Now he stands like a rock when Pakhi vilifies Sai. How is his blood not boiling. ? Hug se poora maza tho le liya. Sorry I am so mad at him hence being crass.

Sai-V convo had Sam’s pic in the BG. It seems that he has a role to play. So the “Vaada” phobic’s addction will return. And his promise to Sam that he will look after P will become the backdrop of it all. But what about his promise to Sam about his own family, Sai and their kids? Like I have asked so many times, and now Sai has voiced out too. What about his “Farz” towards her and their kids?

I’m not sure if Sam was only there for the Vaada, or he will be there for Sai and the children he blessed.

Sherry again, Nitu made this point. If not for womb removal, would he impregnate her? Why does he keep on saying she cant be a mother now?!!! How will he prove that he never had intention to move on with pakhi.?

V’s head nod returned today. And that had me thinking about “Aai”. He so casually addressed P as Vinu’s mother. But he was quiet when Sai asked who is she then? And he even refused Vinu from calling Vinu “choti mumma”. Today I’m doubtful, if V intentionally did it, or it purely fate reserving “Aai” for Sai ensuring she gets due rights!

Haha. I have no hopes on him intentionally doing anything for Sai.

I seriously want the marriage to be orchestrated by P and Vinu’s identity to be known to P before he was adopted. There is no other way that Sai is getting Vinu back with complete acceptance and agreement from everyone. She will always have to fight it. P is not losing her blind fandom.

One last thought. There is definitely more to V’s story. His statement at the temple after Sai left “Iska ek kadam bahut saari zindagiyan barbad kar dega”. Which are these “bahut saari”? That had me confused. His desperation like there is too much at stake.

Also he was shocked when Sai says "apni patralekha". Why? She is his apni only right. He is ready to sacrifice his entire family for his "apni". Why is he shocked then. such a hypocrite.

Though I doubt if we (majority) will be convinced when it will be revealed. But who cares right? If the makers are convinced, then who are we? If they did, SH track would not have ended that way. V hailed and Sai bashed, when he too was at fault. I fear the same here. V’s “situation” his “decisions” and “sacrifices” will be applauded even by Sai and Sai will be proved wrong. Even if we are not convinced, they will portray it. Hard Luck!

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Posted: 2 years ago

Love this analysis !!!

V is definitely not empathetic, an empathetic has the thought process of putting themselves in the other persons' shoes....HE has never done that....He reacts based on what he sees...and hes seen Ps DDP

BTW off track but another reason I love the review....the small accounting references LOL balance sheet debits/credits haha the accountant in me smiled!! 😃

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Yes I understand Virat. Or I thought I understood him. He is a do good guy at the cost of losing everything on his personal front. AKA Raja Harischandra who sold his wife for his word. Thats not the problem.

However, the way he shows hypocrity when it comes to Sai is cruel. He will not let her move on. He will expect her to understand his obligations. He will expect her to UNDERSTAND the woman who caused so much misery to her. Everything is fine till he decided to give away her son!! The same son for whom she fought with entire world and even left him. How can he not for once understand her here as a mother. Sai's dialogues are so apt. Dont love her but atleast empathize with her. How does he not consider her feelings while he is so sensitive about everyone else's?

He keeps hugging her as he wants, gives her hope that he still has feelings or some consideration towards her, only to be dumped later in the most cruel way. Sai will keep hope that he will atleast not wrong her as human being. yesterday that hope was also lost

If he had asked time before saying all that crap, it would have been acceptable. But he straight away asked her to adjust with Savi!! so he has no plans to resolve this? He will be with Pakhi and Vinu in one house. Go and check on Savi when he wants. But Sai should remain loyal to him. How hypocritic it is!! Who is he to decide how Sai should live?

I am not sure if I read V right but at this stage he won’t stop Sai from moving on . It won’t bother him much seeing her with other guy . He has no plans of leaving P but the same guy left Sai for P though Sai was his duty not P at that time .


Sai is stuck in the past . She needs to move on . I read somewhere in the forum that in one of segment members from team were surprised when fans asked for V’s redemption. With this mentality they won’t find anything wrong with V choosing P and staying with her ignoring his duty towards Savi .

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Posted: 2 years ago

The only way justice would be served for sai, by Bappa is when Vinu kicks Virat and Pakhi with his left foot and comes to Sai.

He has to prove that fate and Pakhi might have separated him from his mother but he did find his way to her. He seeked her not knowing she was his mother. Now when he knows she is his real mother, the boy should chose her over Virat too!

Tight smack on Virat's face!

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Posted: 2 years ago

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I am not sure if I read V right but at this stage he won’t stop Sai from moving on . It won’t bother him much seeing her with other guy . He has no plans of leaving P but the same guy left Sai for P though Sai was his duty not P at that time .


Sai is stuck in the past . She needs to move on . I read somewhere in the forum that in one of segment members from team were surprised when fans asked for V’s redemption. With this mentality they won’t find anything wrong with V choosing P and staying with her ignoring his duty towards Savi .


They literally live in some delusional world. That Sandeep guy too he's pro Ayesha par his views on the show & ckts is ridiculous even Richard guy. It's f u c k e d up.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: mysticriver


They literally live in some delusional world. That Sandeep guy too he's pro Ayesha par his views on the show & ckts is ridiculous even Richard guy. It's f u c k e d up.


Oh you should've watched today's live of pkp, it was so funny and embarassing for the crew at the same time......there was this guy who played Amey was sitting with Pankaj and Ppl were continuosly commenting for new lead for Sai, new lead for Sai, so that guy really got confused and was like why are they demanding new lead, Virat hein na Sai joshi ke liye, and the way Pakaj's face fell😆

Then after a minute Pankaj guy was like arey kuch nhi hein aisa, fans aisa chahte hein ki aisa ho show me, and he was making weird expressions saying this, it was so funny, I loved it 🤣🤣

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Posted: 2 years ago

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Oh you should've watched today's live of pkp, it was so funny and embarassing for the crew at the same time......there was this guy who played Amey was sitting with Pankaj and Ppl were continuosly commenting for new lead for Sai, new lead for Sai, so that guy really got confused and was like why are they demanding new lead, Virat hein na Sai joshi ke liye, and the way Pakaj's face fell😆

Then after a minute Pankaj guy was like arey kuch nhi hein aisa, fans aisa chahte hein ki aisa ho show me, and he was making weird expressions saying this, it was so funny, I loved it 🤣🤣


That pankaj guy is pro bubu Bubi? Who actually is he tho

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: mysticriver


They literally live in some delusional world. That Sandeep guy too he's pro Ayesha par his views on the show & ckts is ridiculous even Richard guy. It's f u c k e d up.

The show is means of earning money for them and they won’t think much and will follow what their CD believes . I don’t think their views are influenced by offscreen equations . For them Sai is fictional character and Ayesha is real .
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The show is means of earning money for them and they won’t think much and will follow what their CD believes . I don’t think their views are influenced by offscreen equations . For them Sai is fictional character and Ayesha is real .


No that's k. But I feel whenever there's ppl dragging on-screen ckts they take it upon the actors. Then that Sandeep guy had once said where's Sai suffering, it's struggle something like that 🤢

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Sherry24

My thoughts on pg 16

missed u so much sherry, nd yeah as always lovely review 😍🙃

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