Sach Ka Saamna, har ek ka apna aaina... - Page 4

Lovely post, brings out the sheer hopelessness that these two are facing currently.

I watched with a heavy heart. Sai and Virat hurtling into a whirlpool of accusations, nastiness with an audience too. A watchful ,vengeful audience who would have clapped if they were not watching agog!

• The fight in public between husband and wife was uncomfortable to watch. Because it crosses a laxman rekha. Very often, partners say the nastiest things to each other and also make up later. Same things when heard by a third person magnify their comments way beyond repair. Which is what Kaku immediately declared, their marriage will not last!

• Was the public fight needed? Probably, the public humiliation meted out to Sai by Pakhi specifically, the day before made her feel diminished, this is a free for all, noone really cares. Importantly, Virat doesn't. Virat's utmost faith on pakhi transcends all logic and actually displays little to no sensitivity towards Sai. I am reminded of a line he said when Sai accused him of still harbouring love for P. Tumhe Pakhi aur mere rishte ki baat karne ka koi haq nahi. Kyun bhai? How dare he say that to his wife? Yeh sab private mein, and public mein hum sirf dost hain. And conversely, Pakhi has the right to lambast Sai each time in public. So I was divided on this. And now I think, theek hai, its a daily soap so while it completely goes against my grain, this public display was needed. Enough of chupa chupi.
• Pakhi's subtle dig at Sai on why she wants to go to her professor's house was not lost out. So then and there, she lost the credibility she gained by asking Virat to leave her hand.
• Sai again bringing in Samrat. She just basically let it all out today. All the questions, doubts, that she must have been harbouring in her mind for so many months, it just came rushing out.

Virat Sir

• Holding her hand so that it hurt...what was it? Possessiveness, anger that she 's refusing to get controlled by him? His rage was palpable. I wish they had not shown it. Because if they are going to show him making up, and Sai accepting, it follows a typical pattern of abusive behaviour. Though, I have faith in Sai, she will not take things lying down. That is the crux. She is not the typical FL who will cow down for the sake of her love, however intensely she loves him.
• I generally always support a couple...for eg, here it's Sairat. So I always try to 'understand' the motivation behind each character in that couple. Today of all the days, Virat was a huge disappointment. I am more than annoyed at the way they are shaping him up. I would have preferred it if he did not run to Pakhi's room immediately after his wife left. Did he go to tell her that Sai thinks 'this' of us? Did he go to find out if what Sai said about Pakhi was true? Or did he run to her because their carefully covered secret was out for people to speculate on?? This obsession with clearing up issues with Pakhi through a private conversation is getting to me. Can he not have a monologue thinking about everything Sai said, and reflecting on her words?? It's bringing down Virat's character. I wish they would stop. High time, they started creating a distance between the two.

Kuch Dil ne kaha, kuch bhi nahi

Kuch dil ne suna, kuch bhi nahi

Aisi bhi baatein hoti hain, aisi bhi baatein hoti hain.

Hi Janhvi, nice analysis as always.

I believe this whole outburst was need. They NEED a clean slate.

When we build a house a lot of attention is paid to the foundation (deal, responsibility, my heart belongs to someone else, don't expect anything of a husband nature from me etc....weak foundation or none at all) and when we cut a tree if the roots are not removed it with continue to grow ( I can't be with you but You will be the only one in my heart and life, you are my best friend and therefore you have more rights over me than my wife because obviously it is you I love and not her....continues to lead Pahki on).

I don't for a moment agree with those who say they are upset because Sai revealled Pahki and Virat's story. What was there to reveal, but a festering wound? Pahki has always been shameless with her behaviour and Bavahni had already given her blessing along with her crew. Pahki and Virat story....was already an unspoken truth among the whole family. Today was Sai's way of letting them know...I see you all, I have been taking notes. You are all hypocrites, with your sanctimonious self righteousness agreeing to my husband going on a honeymoon trip with your susheel DIL while using Samrat as cover and objecting to me his wife going. Now to today you are spitting venom while objecting to me going to my (unknown) professors house for lunch yet you are giving your blessings to an extra-marital affair right under your noses.

Sai and Virat's relationship is a total joke, as far as his entire family is concerned he is not married, she's not worthy and he has never stopped them as he should. Does anyone know how it feels to be constantly humiliated in front of your husband by family members (added to that his ex) while he remains a mute spectator most times but tries to shut you down each time you open your mouth. Sai has felt caged for a very long time emotionally, physically, mentally, psychologically etc. I know it is a show but in reality this is a recipe for a mental breakdown.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

As you pointed out Janki, it is for him to gather and address the issue at hand. But the question is will he do it, does he have that much courage to bring it out in open. And i am not even going in the direction of love (thats for later). First he needs to acknowledge and tell her that she is important to him and she matters.

Additionally, would his stand change for Vahini now. I dont want to comment on the scene as it is not complete and on the precap as it is yet to come. But like you said, one can hope that he would see things as they are now.

I don't know whose post I read ..but one relevant question raised was Virat always waits for Sai to acknowledge he is her pati. Has he ever done the same.. acknowledged that Sai is his patni?!

Does anyone recall any instance?

One thing I agree with most was there was no need to wash dirty linen in public. But did she have a choice ...she is unraveling from taunts , lack of love and respect.

Except AAI there is no one who likes her..rem she grew up in a one parent household where she had love respect and communication

Originally posted by: Srijeeta06

Janki!! You have a great way with words.

But whatever they are showing is not giving away a right message.

Specifically because even though it is a copy of a regional show (regional show has limited reach; but hindi shows have a wider range and impact), they should not convey a wrong idea.

I have a genuine question:- why is the idea of insulting/misbehaving in front of everyone and apologizing in private considered romantic?

I think it’s anything but romantic.

Your thoughts on it

I don't think the idea of apologising in private for a public fight is 'romantic'... Of course, since we are speaking about a couple's fight in this case, fighting in public is the most unfortunate thing to happen but let's face it -- in a joint family set up like in India, there would be many such occasions when spouses fight in front of the family. While a public apology would be seen as ideal, it is true that making up after a fight is a very intimate thing that the couple must do in private. Because to address the reasons for the fight, to analyse the loss of control and also heal one another, it is essential to not have any other external factors and third persons influencing the conversation. A couple can share its deepest feeling of love, grudge, annoyance, humiliation only with one another. And although a public spectacle causes a lot of dent to their joint identity, it is still necessary to have private moments to repair and reconnect.

My thoughts, Would love to hear what others have to say about your question!

Originally posted by: scarlett22

I don't know whose post I read ..but one relevant question raised was Virat always waits for Sai to acknowledge he is her pati. Has he ever done the same.. acknowledged that Sai is his patni?!

Does anyone recall any instance?

He did during the trip argument - "Sai meri Patni hai.."

He also said it during the argument after they came back from her admission but not directly. He said, "Pati Patni time spend karna chahte hain saath me toh why do you all have a problem."

I can't recall other instances... But during their fight where PP brings him that dinner which he didn't have where they called themselves "patni hoon","pati hoon", I had said that they need to actually hand over that claim to each other -- "you are my husband", "you are my wife"... That has not happened from both ends and that is what they both want to hear. Hopefully, iss raat ki aisi subaah hogi 😆

Fighting in public and apologising in private is not romantic, according to me.

Elders say people will treat your wife with respect if you treat her with respect. It does not even have to be a fight, it can be invalidation of choice, subjugation..in the public eye. People pick up these nuances.

Fight in public ... apologise in public...😆

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

Great analysis janaki ji... One thing I like the most in your analysis, you won't blindly take side of either sai or virat. You point out their good and bad equally..

Even in other post I mentioned it,. Don't I don't think both virat and sai are completely wrong or completely right... It's their raw emotions, their hurt, their logging for eachother which wants the other to understand their hurt, their feeling.... During that hand holding, I really liked sai and virat's each and every expression.... Although pakhi and other family members are taking , they didn't missed each other's gaze even for a second.... Hand holding thing , I believe virat even didn't realized how hard is he holding drowning in his own hurt, even pp told him about being wrong, he didn't left her but when Ashwini mentioned sai is hurting , then he realized, bcoz sai's hurt is more important than his. As you mentioned janaki hi yesterday in your post , doing mistake is common but the guilt after that is important , I felt he felt guilty at that moment only for holding sai's hand.... Yes locking in room is wrong but in that also I felt his desperation to stop her but it's wrong.... And yes sai sai sai , wow... Frankly , in ITV all female leads claim to be sachai ki murty but I don't think there is never one like sai , and phaki , even there is no one like phaki, completely negative charector but even she thinks she is positive, wah wah...

Janaki ji, after whatever virat did, he should apologise sai, and we know he would from other versions but don't you think even Sai should apologize at some level to Ashwini and virat. ... Because all this argument aside... I remember one dialogue of virat during amey issue, " you do whatever you want but you will not think what effect it will cause to people who stand by you" like in this situation , she simply said I can't say why I am going, don't you think by saying this and leaving she is just offering Ashwini and virat as food for hyena gang taunts.... Bcoz she will leave but hyena gang will pounder on virat and Ashwini , they don't have anything to defend themselves or sai.... Is it right?

I agree and I think an apology is due from both ends. Yes, Sai has been hurt more often and by a mob of people but it is true that Virat has also been equally hurt and today, Ashwini has been compromised, really. The wolves will pounce at her for this and may be even Virat. But set them aside. All said and done, when both spouses have said or done things that are hurtful, they must apologise -- one cannot weigh on a scale whose mistake is bigger or whose hurt is deeper. The fact is that both have hurt each other in the process of the miscommunication that exists between them. It does not take away anything but only helps rebuild what has been damaged.

I felt bad for Ashwini today. She was really trying to understand Sai. She even understood her entire outburst. Of all the people there, I think only Ashwini actually understood that it was not a badtameez bahu but a heavily humiliated wife speaking. I am not sure if Virat has understood that entirely too but I would like to believe he has -- I hope he doesn't disappoint my judgement once he has sobered from the drunken state of rage.

When Ashwini explained to Sai that Virat is worried because one cannot gauge the intentions of someone, I felt truly bad for Aai. Even at that point, Virat said exasperatedly that please say why has he invited you but she didn't -- I get it why. She also left without taking Aai's advise of taking Sai along. So of all the people, if Ashwini expresses her displeasure at Sai this time, I won't mind at all. Because Ashwini will do it out of her real love and genuine concern for her safety. And yes, Sai exploded for the reasons we know but she was being careless-- we know Pulkit is a nice man so far, but why would your close ones not doubt. One cannot defend that.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

I don't think the idea of apologising in private for a public fight is 'romantic'... Of course, since we are speaking about a couple's fight in this case, fighting in public is the most unfortunate thing to happen but let's face it -- in a joint family set up like in India, there would be many such occasions when spouses fight in front of the family. While a public apology would be seen as ideal, it is true that making up after a fight is a very intimate thing that the couple must do in private. Because to address the reasons for the fight, to analyse the loss of control and also heal one another, it is essential to not have any other external factors and third persons influencing the conversation. A couple can share its deepest feeling of love, grudge, annoyance, humiliation only with one another. And although a public spectacle causes a lot of dent to their joint identity, it is still necessary to have private moments to repair and reconnect.

My thoughts, Would love to hear what others have to say about your question!