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Posted: 14 years ago
#41
I think pre-emptive major is smart choice

As someone said it right

Prevention is better than cure.
Edited by kuls11 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#42
I think, we should let the mods decide who is criticizing, who is disagreeing and who is plain bashing. That is their job.

Disagreement is a part of being thinking human beings. Its difficult to have a discussion with anyone if a difference of opinion is not welcome or is seen as a sign of disrespect. I understand that people go out of line in choosing how to express themselves- in such cases- we all have the option to report them and wait for the mods to respond. I dont think putting in disclaimers like "If you do not agree, mera deemag mat khao" or something to that effect is really for keeping away dissenters- its just outright saying only people who agree with me are welcome to post on this thread.

Jyoti, has already mentioned that these disclaimers are not allowed as per IF. Do the disclaimers really serve any purpose?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: kuls11



Attacking someone mental level or intelligence or Direct attack on other member thorough sarcastic or snide comments are something classified as negative discussion. Are we promoting this on forum either we should not express our true opinion (given its adhere to strict IF COC ) or be prepared for our own character assault or snide remarks for expressing our opinion which I witness quite frequently . I am only responsible for my code of conduct and but if other chose not to follow it, why I shouldn't be given right to protect my right to express my opinion with self respect.


Somewhere I think we also need to learn to accept that different people respond differently to situations. When you hold a minority view (I often feel I fall in this category)- be prepared for some folks to disagree rationally, some to mock you and others to call you names. I have so far met 1 and 2 and fortunately have not come across 3. However, I still think disclaimers do not serve any purpose and if one feels that ones PoV is not going to be accepted by the majority and will be open to debate/discussion or criticism- Isn't it best to circulate to like minded people via PMs?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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People react according to their nature but when on public forum as we expect liberty to express our disagreement so do the rules of behavior as in code of conduct apply and no member is above those rules. Difference of opinion if politely given is always welcomed only cause its not done thats the reason topic makers feel the necessity to add the disclaimers like "If you disagree kindly refrain from commenting" that at least is polite than the one I came across that said "Bashers stay away."
As for disclaimers allowed or not sure Mods know better about it but seeing the hungama made over disclaimer at a post and seeing this post I was forced to message the DT body of IF and through pm I was directed to this thread https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/moderators/4420/important-india-forums-code-of-conduct I dint find any rules that say disclaimers not allowed, yes as I see they are not effective but 'allowed or not' thats completely different issue. But sure I saw one thing that is not allowed that is direct and indirect remark/insult/comment made on the fellow member and also posts/comments that instigate members against each other as in the groupism mentioned.
Edited by -Rati- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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^^ I dont think anyone foresaw personal disclaimers on a public forum, hence no mention in the CoC. Most of the CoC does talk about the need/importance of discussion on the forum and hence the discouragement to plain acknowledgement posts (Thank You etc).

Geet forum's DT has made it clear that these disclaimers are not allowed by IF and hence the readers are under no compulsion to abide by them. That answered pretty effectively the question I had raised, IMO.

Since you were talking about the need for disclaimers arising from personal attacks etc etc- hence I raised the point about such disclaimers being pretty much useless for that purpose😊

Edited by -pixie- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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This thread still looks like is quite active.

I have seen that some of the posters here make statements and shy away from indulging in a healthy discussion. If one cannot defend a post and feel offended by a different opinion, it's better to not post in the main forum. The moment you chose to express and publish the same, be prepared to face bouquets as well as brickbats.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Kuls: "I think pre-emptive major is smart choice"

How do you define that? And why do you write?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree its pretty much ineffective given what I saw, still as they say people like to guard themselves before the need to defend arises.
As for COC, they are revised time to time sure if they had found the need since the Mod herself mentioned that in some cases other than CC there has been necessity to add the disclaimer, it could have found its way in the COC list.
Geet forum Mod has only said to quote her "But Geet forum has not yet reached to that extreme stage ..so here still there r no such restrictions on any discussion post." it says nothing about disclaimer allowed or not allowed, but yes its about individuals wish to respect it or not when the topic maker adds it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi Shardha, you will have to pardon my ignorance of the particular context that prompted you to start this topic.

Yet, my two cents' worth based on a reading of the posts so far at your topic.

Why would a topic maker want to put up such disclaimers? Perhaps, at the end of the day, we want to discuss the show with like-minded people and don't want to deal with the hassle of responding to posts that are not in accord with our own thoughts. Per se, I wouldn't blame someone for doing that. Human nature being what it is, we would probably empathise more with one particular character over the other. And, we would want to give voice at the forum to what we feel the character felt, but left unsaid in the episode. And, when we do that, we do not want to have to deal with people who we think are unable to fully understand just what *our* character is undergoing.

However, your question remains. Is it appropriate to do this at a public forum? In addition to the response already given by Jyoti, I too would say "no".

Here, permit me to go beyond the "what's permissible, what's not permissible as per IF rules" discussion to look at the effect that such disclaimers would have on me as a reader.

Very often, what makes the show a richer experience for us is the post-episode discussions analysing why a character acted in the manner s/he did. On viewing an episode, I may not have been able to grasp or empathise with a particular action of a particular character. But, maybe someone else could have. And, if that someone else happens to be a topic maker who has put up such a disclaimer, I would continue to remain in blissful ignorance. For, speaking for myself, if I were someone with an open mind but who did not necessarily understand the actions of that particular character, the disclaimer would be akin to slamming the door -- to understanding that character -- shut in my face. And, may I add that I will most likely not knock at the door again. Further, wrong as it may be, I may just tar the character that the topic maker so vigorously defends with the same brush as I perceive the action of the topic maker.

We often complain that the lack of communication between Maan and Geet is the underlying problem in their relationship.

I wonder if we are guilty of something similar here a refusal to discuss nay even acknowledge, the other's point of view. In a lighter vein, it reminds me of Enid Blyton's Secret Seven series, the password to enter such topics being consensus ad idem.

Getting back to the rules, if posts in response to a topic violate a particular code of conduct, I would reckon that the particular member(s) responsible for the offending post(s) could and would be subjected to appropriate disciplinary action by the moderators.

On that note, here's hoping that topic makers here adopt Judy Collins' lyrics -- "Open the door and come on in, I'm so glad to see you my friend." And, I may just be a richer person for it. Well, who was it who said: "hope is the last one to die"?
Edited by hegdemedha - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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-Rati-: Any post in the forum will be considered as a published content and no published content receives only uniform comments. When you are expressing a view, there will be some who will for sure question your right to express that view. But, you cannot block them from expressing that view if the language is appropriate and not abusive, since you dearly protect your right to express.

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