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Posted: 14 years ago
#31
I totally agreed with nandita n kuls!
All I wanna ask the creatives what kind of social msg you sent to the society this time....
1)When you showed Geet forgave Dev so casually n immaturedly ?
2)When she allowed the sinner to put gulal on her face with a smiling face n even she herself puts the Tika on Dev's face so happily?
3)Most importantly a person like maan whom u made to stand by her thicks n thins thruout her life was given moral teachings of life n love by a criminal like Dev?
4)When showed her leaving her husband n family for a man like Dev who stripped her dignity n self respect on the name of marr?
Did not u discourage ppl from helping out those gals like geet in society by showing Maan humiliated by Geet n all his family members?
Did not u encourage criminal like Dev to repeat crimes n act innocent n then forgiven on the name of noble act of forgiveness?
And what abt the judiciary system abt forgiving Dev and why couldnt you show her confiding to her man b4 doing this?
Maan had been misunderstood by his whole family n most importantly by the lady he loves to death! You've killed ur baby in ur own hands.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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ritu,nandita,kuls-absolutely agree with all of u.
this show is totally ruined!
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Posted: 14 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: aditi123_78

i hv seen the movie....but i dont agree with comparing women of different era....i hv seen my own aunts and grannies stick to their wedding despite facing tremendous mental and sometimes physical abuses both in the hands of their husbands and in-laws....
but they maintained their duties as wives thruout their life...

for them it was unthinkable to walk out of marriage...divorce is a stigma for them...
but today...tell me who among us from our generation will tolerate abuse from our hubbies let alone from in-laws....

today women r independent, strong-willed with a mind of their own...
geet represents this era...wen she was abondoned by her family...almost killed by them...she was saved by maan and on his advice got brij arrested....

then she left her sheltered life behind and came to delhi all alone and pregnant with a baby out of wedlock....
at that time she was portrayed as a strong girl who wants to fight against all odds to give birth to her baby....

and paro was portrayed as a weak girl who chose the path of suicide wen abondoned by her family and she had nowhere to go....and it was rashid who saved her....

so how come a girl who was ready to embrace suicide be compared with a girl who has the guts to fight against her family and society for her baby...

a girl like paro wud choose the easy way in life....for her it is not easy to walk out from a marriage....and wen she decided to stay on with rashid....it was more an acceptance of fate than forgiveness....

I think women from diff era can be compared.. There are still women who live in marriages after getting abused even today.. just its not happening where you live now, but there are places where it still does happen.
I still feel, its apples vs apples.. both girls are from exact same background.. I know Puro was week but Geet was no stronger.. thanks to MSK for doing that.. spec in 2 confrontations, one when Geet asked him to save her from goons and second when I dont know if Dev had already commited the crime or was going to, but Maan met her and told her to stop being bechari all the times.. Puro was not lucky to find any MSK when she was thrown out of her house.. who could have showed her right path.. Yes Rashid was there, but I dont if to save her or give her more pain that she endured after marrying him.. If she really went willingly with him, she would have not called her baby as someone's sin.. yes its same to me as crime is eact same and both were forgiven atleast as per the movie.. Kuls had brought a diff idea by telling in original novel it was acceptance vs forgiveness.. But I have compared only based on movie.. In movie Ram was still willing to maay her, so I call it forgiveness, as she could have gone with Ram..
Geet was more lucky... yes lucky as God sent MSK to save her otherwise Brij would have killed her long back.. her strength could not have saved her there.. Puro was unlucky as only person who could have helped her and make her strong, her brother Trilok was not there at that time.. He would have saved her and encouraged her same way.. but she was not so lucky...
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Posted: 14 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: AnuN

ha ha still did not sleep..
I have mentioned always, she did it during week moment.. the act is divine, but I never claimed that she intended to act divine..or attain Nirvana. The divine part is only for me to deicide whether her action is right or not. And I still feel its a divine act and it did make her more courageous after she did that. She never went to farm house with a pre plan to forgive DEV.. If she had to act divine, she would have planned it and took permission from Maan.. I mentioned in another thread, if she would have planned to forgive Dev without letting Maan know or without his consent it would have been much more wrong on her part.
I just get offended when ppl treat Maan as God and justify all his mistakes too.. And ppl dont leave any chance to bash Geet, the moment she makes a mistake



It takes strength of character to forgive & if she were weak then she had no right to take such big step on her own. Indeed she did not go there pre planned & nor was forgiving him that very moment so needed esp. when the person she is doing that for he holds no knowledge at all of it. Sure it was not a happy surprise for Maan that she forgave Dev, she knew what he thinks about Dev so that makes even more evident to share with him than only wait to inform him about it after the deed is done.
I understand same goes for me too when I see Maan being bashed in name of blinkered feminism as to me I'm a human an individual much before than I am a woman.

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Posted: 14 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: aditi123_78

i hv seen the movie....but i dont agree with comparing women of different era....i hv seen my own aunts and grannies stick to their wedding despite facing tremendous mental and sometimes physical abuses both in the hands of their husbands and in-laws....
but they maintained their duties as wives thruout their life...

for them it was unthinkable to walk out of marriage...divorce is a stigma for them...
but today...tell me who among us from our generation will tolerate abuse from our hubbies let alone from in-laws....

today women r independent, strong-willed with a mind of their own...
geet represents this era...wen she was abondoned by her family...almost killed by them...she was saved by maan and on his advice got brij arrested....

then she left her sheltered life behind and came to delhi all alone and pregnant with a baby out of wedlock....
at that time she was portrayed as a strong girl who wants to fight against all odds to give birth to her baby....

and paro was portrayed as a weak girl who chose the path of suicide wen abondoned by her family and she had nowhere to go....and it was rashid who saved her....

so how come a girl who was ready to embrace suicide be compared with a girl who has the guts to fight against her family and society for her baby...

a girl like paro wud choose the easy way in life....for her it is not easy to walk out from a marriage....and wen she decided to stay on with rashid....it was more an acceptance of fate than forgiveness....



Acceptance of fate 👏
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Posted: 14 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: Rituparnaa

I totally agreed with nandita n kuls!

All I wanna ask the creatives what kind of social msg you sent to the society this time....
1)When you showed Geet forgave Dev so casually n immaturedly ?
2)When she allowed the sinner to put gulal on her face with a smiling face n even she herself puts the Tika on Dev's face so happily?
3)Most importantly a person like maan whom u made to stand by her thicks n thins thruout her life was given moral teachings of life n love by a criminal like Dev?
4)When showed her leaving her husband n family for a man like Dev who stripped her dignity n self respect on the name of marr?
Did not u discourage ppl from helping out those gals like geet in society by showing Maan humiliated by Geet n all his family members?
Did not u encourage criminal like Dev to repeat crimes n act innocent n then forgiven on the name of noble act of forgiveness?
And what abt the judiciary system abt forgiving Dev and why couldnt you show her confiding to her man b4 doing this?
Maan had been misunderstood by his whole family n most importantly by the lady he loves to death! You've killed ur baby in ur own hands.



True they have killed their baby with the very hands.Now if the new article holds true if Maan alone is shown to apologize & Geet never shown to reflect her role in this whole misunderstanding then the show is marked for doom
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Posted: 14 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: -Rati-



It takes strength of character to forgive & if she were weak then she had no right to take such big step on her own. Indeed she did not go there pre planned & nor was forgiving him that very moment so needed esp. when the person she is doing that for he holds no knowledge at all of it. Sure it was not a happy surprise for Maan that she forgave Dev, she knew what he thinks about Dev so that makes even more evident to share with him than only wait to inform him about it after the deed is done.
I understand same goes for me too when I see Maan being bashed in name of blinkered feminism as to me I'm a human an individual much before than I am a woman.

I kind of diagree, ppl take biggest steps in weak moments.. even steps to commit sucide.. But once she forgave him, I dont know, but she felt more strong.. from that time, she has no fear, no pain whenever she faces Dev now.. Anyways, she did want to tell Maan.. but he went to sleep and she went without telling anything to him.. Why she did not wait, well wasn't she overly emotional in that scene talking about her losing baby as a punishment from God for some unknown sin to her.. So yes, she did forgive him right then as when you are overly emotional, you dont think too much to follow right cousre of action...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuN

I kind of diagree, ppl take biggest steps in weak moments.. even steps to commit sucide.. But once she forgave him, I dont know, but she felt more strong.. from that time, she has no fear, no pain whenever she faces Dev now.. Anyways, she did want to tell Maan.. but he went to sleep and she went without telling anything to him.. Why she did not wait, well wasn't she overly emotional in that scene talking about her losing baby as a punishment from God for some unknown sin to her.. So yes, she did forgive him right then as when you are overly emotional, you dont think too much to follow right cousre of action...



Well to each their own as you see things sure I don't so its obvious for us to disagree. Suicide though a big step it sure is weak as it is a escapist route but not forgiving again an comparison that is irrelevant.
Yes as we complained when she went to talk he left & went to sleep again it does not change the fact that telling him now is not asking for his opinion but only informing which given what he means to her & her act being done for him loses its value. My point of view.
Yes you don't think much when you are following a right track, here she was not making a donation or charity but forgiving a man who had ruined her past & that past also was rooted in her present so indeed she owed it to Maan to involve not alone inform him of her forgiveness of Dev.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Rati-

Well to each their own as you see things sure I don't so its obvious for us to disagree. Suicide though a big step it sure is weak as it is a escapist route but not forgiving again an comparison that is irrelevant.
Yes as we complained when she went to talk he left & went to sleep again it does not change the fact that telling him now is not asking for his opinion but only informing which given what he means to her & her act being done for him loses its value. My point of view.
Yes you don't think much when you are following a right track, here she was not making a donation or charity but forgiving a man who had ruined her past & that past also was rooted in her present so indeed she owed it to Maan to involve not alone inform him of her forgiveness of Dev.

Hey, lets keep deleting older replies, to keep it small..
To me when she said in one breath 'I forgive you' it was not really taking a strong step.... it just came out instantly.. and yes then she realized she has let it go.. Forgiving is sure not a weak.. but it was in her case as she was not forgiven for some unknown sin and had lost baby in her own words..
But even if you do a noble act unintentionally or unknowingly, it gives you peace.. thats what she got.. And I agree she should have asked Maan, but Maan has never put conditions on her to ask him before taking any decisions.. Love is to support decisions of your loved ones.. Thats what Maan's love has been always.. and Maan would have accepted her decision, if he had got explanation in right time.. he was in pain, but he was not hating or accusing Geet.. He was thinking why she did that.. one explanation at right time could have saved it all..
And I have always said, Maan's anger was justified, but his words were not..
Maan has used harsh words to tell her to be strong in HP and then in office as well, I never told those as his mistakes.. but he did utter some disgraceful words sometimes, still ppl defend them.. I atleast dont defend Geet for blaming Maan in front of Media.. For me if she is wrong, she and same goes for Maan.. Lets not make any one of these as God
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuN

They are from different era, but you know what there was not much difference b/e Geet and Puro.. both were week.. Maan stepped in Geet's life and she became strong.. otherwise brij would have killed her long back..
Also, there are still places atleast in Punjab, where girls still live in that kind of era.. trust me.. I have some cousins in Punjab, one in kartarpur, and she is expected to cook for a huge joint family after just 40 days of having baby.. she still lacks energy, but all she gets to hear is if she will work her body will recover faster and she has nothing much to say, but to accept it.. I have another one in Batala, and she had polio, almost unnoticable till you tell someone, still when she was to get married, her father had offer huge money to get married.. it sucks but its still like this.. Geet in beginning could not open mouth in front of brij.. Brij claimed Geet has no say in her marriage in front of Maan.. so Geet's upbringing was no different from Puro.. Ok, so since in movie it was showed she forgave, I compared.
Now coming to Sita Vs Drupadi, Sita chose that cos she was kind of questioned by Lord Ram, her husband when he heard a dobi talking bad.. where as Durpadi was not.. she was challenged by evil Kauravs. Pandavs did not question her.
Also, 2010 does not make women strong.. Jansi ki Rani was strong in 1857 too.
For saas bahu stories, I dont have much to say, I do agree women are women's greatest enimies in that regard.
And regarding NT, please dont disgrace women by calling her woman.



They were weak before I accepted where I denied but one emerged as rebel as fighter after Maan came to life….and other remain week and became more of acceptor type after Rashid came to her life. I explained their difference in above post so I cant go on counting them again and again. What was difference…They were different….If person is born weak that doesnt means he/she will remain like that for all her life. Trauma and Tragedy change everyone for better or worst. For Geet case she changed from meek submissive girl to strong women who fought for her rights. For Puro she became more meek and submissive and added one more quality that was acceptance to whatever fate throw at her.
Yes Brij might have killed her but you forgot that its GEET who in front of whole world exposed his own brother anc claimed entire family GEET will now be only GEET that statement showed how she emerged as winner fighter. Why you are complaining apple or orange….IF your stance I can give 100 real life not fictional example where women killed her rapist …(my frnd who despite fighting for 7 years when her fake husband cried begged for pardon went for justice…..when she was alone with her kid……still she fought) ..So Geet should do that……They are different character and I explained in minute details , I will not repeat again and again if you bring same point after accepting they were different….

Sita and drapadi……….Remember Sita was questioned of charcter from husband right Draupadi was used as object and was used as bet ……Unke pati ne unhe dhaav pe lagya tha……What more worst according to you………Dhaav pe lagna or character per shak karma…………why they have different solution ………….why draupadi didn't left home and went to exile and why she took oath to kill her abuser but never left her husband while other did……Let me add one random analogy like you did as Puro did GEet should do same. Why you compared Puro with Geet why not compare with Rani padma vati to save her honor she burned herself alive and was sati………Why not GEET chose same option and killed herself as soon as she came to know of her rape…I don't believe in it as for me both are different

I don't get it are you defending your self or against yourself because half of you statement give me idea you want to convey exactly what I am saying. Like Jhansi ki Rani Statement she fought for right, she never forgave any enemy…She fought she killed she was winner therefore she made name in real history. Please read my statement I never said all women of that era were meek and weak.
But there were unlimited Puro's in that era why no one is there our history why they were not remembered as women of that era. Puro was fictional imagination of Amrita Pritam, for what she saw around her….not reality but why we don't have single biography of brave women like Puro of era who forgave and accepted her destiny, fate never fought back whatever life thrown at them.

Because for historians they were not the one to idolize or remembered in future what they did was not miraculous not different as 99% of women were like this only one percent those who were fighters are usually remembered

…….My whole idea of this thesis is …GEet and Puro are different....a lioness cant be compared to lamb....Geet was lioness and Puro was lamb.......... different people have different solutions for different problems of life….But you are harping everyone on this earth will behave in exact one manner……….if one did this 1947 other will do same in 2010…….era was different context was different……….and most importantly now women is different …during that era women rarely stood for their rights…they were considered as object for sex …children ….marital rape was not considered as rape then…..But if in that era women liked to live as object this era women should live like this….why women now complain for marital rape….domestic violence.

If you believe a women should forgive her abuser rapist when he ask for forgiveness than its your belief. I don't question yours But my belief says a women should fight for any kind of domestic violence, rape and never forgive culprit until whole justice done to set example for these abuser that you can't get away with what you did to someone soul and life with your crocodile(for me) or real(for you) tears.


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