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Originally posted by: AnuN

One thing is still common, both are women.. women get overly emotional.. I have not read the novel, so I can just go by movie.. yes, I agree when the name was written, she was almost dead then.. but in the end, when she forgave Rashid, it was not because she was being timid, there was a hope. She hugged him whole heartedly.. atleast in movie, not sure how the actual novel ended..

I know that both were women....I knew that and added that but women belonged to different part of eras with different behavior......different reactions to their surroundings......different analysis of life....different theory for living....
Do you want to say all women are clone of each other on emotional level......

.....Really then no women on earth should be rude or cruel to other....As women are overtly emotional....

......Why mother in law burn daugther in laws for dowry or torture them.....As women are overtly emotional....

.....Why there is saying on earth women is women biggest enemy when ......both of them overtly emotional...emotional to emotional person cant be enemy

.......Why there are women terrorist who blew 100s unknown innocent for some random delusional theory .of their belief.....Overtly emotional person as terrotist .....Is it possible....
Why

.......Why sita and Druapadi....2 different women of different mythological eras.....had different reaction to assault they ..faced one took vanvaas to prove her purity other took oath to kill that person and wash her hair with his blood............Was'nt t both should behave exactly same.....As both are women and women are overly emotional

.......Why Geet and NT are different.....both are same........NT is not wrong then when she tried to kill Geet............As she s overly emotional in love for Dev...........

Basically why we need different women character in show....or any show......because all women are emotional....and have exact same behavioral pattern .....same actions or ........same reactions....as according to you if you are women you are bound to be overtly emotional and 2010 women will bound to behave in exact same manner as some did in 1947 or 1849 or 200Ad or 300 BC

Yes puro accepted rashid but from novel....Amrita Pritam conveyed how women of that era learn to live with ill fate and accept it as their own life and future.. It was more acceptance than forgivness.....Even if she doen in movie.....It doesn't matter as I explained in my previous post she was staunch difference in 2 characters.......apple orange analogy is this one.......SO how can I claim because apple is read orange is bound to be red because at end of day they are fruits.....your explanation was of that category

NO two person on this earth are clone to each other unless until they are actually clone not human beings

Originally posted by: ankita10

I have watched Pinjar and it shook me too. A beautiful movie indeed.you have given example of Puro. So I will also try to explain my point from same example.Puro stood by her marriage,a marriage which was based not on love but on revenge,a marriage which was forced on her. As you have told her husband kidnapped her,raped her. Yet even after going through these horrors,she was able to identify his love. She chose her husband over the person she loved whole heartedly(Ramchandra,whose love for Puro is pure and selfless beyond words).

So basically Puro forgave her husband for these horrible crimes,was able to identify the love hidden behind these twisted actions,accepted him with his flaws,respected the marriage even though it was forced on her and stood by her husband,forsaking everyone. It is not easy to have such strength.

Compare this to what Geet has done. She walked out of marriage based on love for a few harsh words. She left the husband who she knows loves her above all. Who knows better than Geet that Maan is out of his senses when angry. And who knows better thn Geet that Maan loves her insanely. But she chose to overlook that love. Refused to see the hurt,pain and helplessness that lay beyond those harsh words. She has left him forever instead of understanding him and making him understand. Of course we know that Maan would go after her and find her. But the fact remains that Geet chose to walk out forever on the person she knows loves her and loves her like no one else and their marriage due to Maan's harsh words. Whereas Puro chose to stand by her marriage and husband even after going through situations which were incomparably worse than this.

Amazing contrast presented by making comparison.👏

Originally posted by: -Rati-

Rape of any kind included marital is heinous sin.

Exactly Dev did nothing close rather nothing at all other than whole day weep around that he is repenting & the act of donating blood which ofcourse Maan by paying the goons called it even.

Dev did nothing but interfere in her married life & gave her moments when she had to explain to her husband though he never asked as he knew that its Dev's doing not Geet's.

As the circumstances of Dev are not similar to that of Rashid's so is Geet's with Puro nor their position in life when they are shown to forgive their sinner besides the only fact that both are women & women who were wronged by both their family & the outsiders nothing makes them comparable.

No two people nor their circumstances are ever ditto so the comparison drawn or contrast made is always very unsure & unstable both technically & factually

Originally posted by: kuls11

I know that both were women....I knew that and added that but women belonged to different part of eras with different behavior......different reactions to their surroundings......different analysis of life....different theory for living....
Do you want to say all women are clone of each other on emotional level......

.....Really then no women on earth should be rude or cruel to other....As women are overtly emotional....

......Why mother in law burn daugther in laws for dowry or torture them.....As women are overtly emotional....

.....Why there is saying on earth women is women biggest enemy when ......both of them overtly emotional...emotional to emotional person cant be enemy

.......Why there are women terrorist who blew 100s unknown innocent for some random delusional theory .of their belief.....Overtly emotional person as terrotist .....Is it possible....
Why

.......Why sita and Druapadi....2 different women of different mythological eras.....had different reaction to assault they ..faced one took vanvaas to prove her purity other took oath to kill that person and wash her hair with his blood............Was'nt t both should behave exactly same.....As both are women and women are overly emotional

.......Why Geet and NT are different.....both are same........NT is not wrong then when she tried to kill Geet............As she s overly emotional in love for Dev...........

Basically why we need different women character in show....or any show......because all women are emotional....and have exact same behavioral pattern .....same actions or ........same reactions....as according to you if you are women you are bound to be overtly emotional and 2010 women will bound to behave in exact same manner as some did in 1947 or 1849 or 200Ad or 300 BC

Yes puro accepted rashid but from novel....Amrita Pritam conveyed how women of that era learn to live with ill fate and accept it as their own life and future.. It was more acceptance than forgivness.....Even if she doen in movie.....It doesn't matter as I explained in my previous post she was staunch difference in 2 characters.......apple orange analogy is this one.......SO how can I claim because apple is read orange is bound to be red because at end of day they are fruits.....your explanation was of that category

NO two person on this earth are clone to each other unless until they are actually clone not human beings

Originally posted by: AnuN

I agree, its impossible to find 2 stories eactly same. But when you say Dev gave her moments when she has to eplain things, Dadi is equally responsible, for making Dev stay back.. And indirectly forcing Maan to let him work there too.. I still feel forgiveness is comparable as sin is exactly same. Repentence is different, but its there atleast. And he tried to sort out diff b/w Geet and Maan... well that backfired too.. but he did try to.. just liked Rashid tried to save her sis in law.. that could have backfired too, but they were lucky there.. And Rashid's love can never bring Puro's family back to her.. Thats her biggest loss.. So even Rashid did some irreversible damages to Puro and I think after she lost her baby it was showed she will never be mom again? Puro suffered too much.. still she forgave, may be like you said, she had no option.. but then Geet had little option.. she had lost her baby and she was thinking God has punished her for some sin.. so even she was week at that moment.

Firstly Dadi is culprit indeed but the interfering act was started & continued by Dev. He was nobody to interfere between a husband & wife when Maan had clearly said 'stay out'.

His doing that not shows his repentance but aides to Maan's doubting his intentions even more. Best way to see them happy if thats what he wanted was to stay away not at every nook & corner be around loitering for opportunity to talk to Geet.

No atleast not in novel she had brought that miscarriage on herself but nothing of not ever being mother was there. Geet had no reason to forgive him other than that he had donated blood to Maan. Nothing he did was redemption enough to have her forgive Dev, yet she did. I dint find her weak at that moment rather with Maan's card in hand she had new reason to life for & dream how can she be weak then were as Puro had no surety of future if she moved away from Rashid.

They are women of different era, circumstances above all two completely individual characters.

No way comparable.

Originally posted by: -Rati-

Firstly Dadi is culprit indeed but the interfering act was started & continued by Dev. He was nobody to interfere between a husband & wife when Maan had clearly said 'stay out'.

His doing that not shows his repentance but aides to Maan's doubting his intentions even more. Best way to see them happy if thats what he wanted was to stay away not at every nook & corner be around loitering for opportunity to talk to Geet.

No atleast not in novel she had brought that miscarriage on herself but nothing of not ever being mother was there. Geet had no reason to forgive him other than that he had donated blood to Maan. Nothing he did was redemption enough to have her forgive Dev, yet she did. I dint find her weak at that moment rather with Maan's card in hand she had new reason to life for & dream how can she be weak then were as Puro had no surety of future if she moved away from Rashid.

They are women of different era, circumstances above all two completely individual characters.

No way comparable.

Originally posted by: AnuN

But if 2 ppl stay under one roof, they will cross each other and so confusions are bound to happen

I did not mean week because Maan was not there.. week by thinking God punished her.. and so she decided to let go his guilt.. just my thinking..

It was nice discussing with all here.. It almost 2:30 in night here.. going to sleep.. will check tomorrow..

Dev following Geet to Baby's room, Dev following Geet to the kitchen are not 'come across' situation it is walking into a situation.

No I never said she was weak cause Maan was not there how can she be weak & her strength of character praised for having forgiven him if she was weak then. So instead of the so called divine her forgiveness becomes weakness of the moment and in that case does not go with her playing holi later on with Dev.

And if she were weak sure she could have counted Maan's opinion not alone decide it.

It was good discussing with you too.

Originally posted by: -Rati-

Dev following Geet to Baby's room, Dev following Geet to the kitchen are not 'come across' situation it is walking into a situation.

No I never said she was weak cause Maan was not there how can she be weak & her strength of character praised for having forgiven him if she was weak then. So instead of the so called divine her forgiveness becomes weakness of the moment and in that case does not go with her playing holi later on with Dev.

And if she were weak sure she could have counted Maan's opinion not alone decide it.

It was good discussing with you too.

i hv seen the movie....but i dont agree with comparing women of different era....i hv seen my own aunts and grannies stick to their wedding despite facing tremendous mental and sometimes physical abuses both in the hands of their husbands and in-laws....
but they maintained their duties as wives thruout their life...

for them it was unthinkable to walk out of marriage...divorce is a stigma for them...
but today...tell me who among us from our generation will tolerate abuse from our hubbies let alone from in-laws....

today women r independent, strong-willed with a mind of their own...
geet represents this era...wen she was abondoned by her family...almost killed by them...she was saved by maan and on his advice got brij arrested....

then she left her sheltered life behind and came to delhi all alone and pregnant with a baby out of wedlock....
at that time she was portrayed as a strong girl who wants to fight against all odds to give birth to her baby....

and paro was portrayed as a weak girl who chose the path of suicide wen abondoned by her family and she had nowhere to go....and it was rashid who saved her....

so how come a girl who was ready to embrace suicide be compared with a girl who has the guts to fight against her family and society for her baby...

a girl like paro wud choose the easy way in life....for her it is not easy to walk out from a marriage....and wen she decided to stay on with rashid....it was more an acceptance of fate than forgiveness....