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Posted: 15 years ago
#51
Hi,
My 2 cents 😊
I will agree to forgive Dev but I have one question. Imagine Maan was not there to save Geet. She would have died - why because someone ddnt think of controlling his libido!!
Another point - Naintara says that she chose this family because of their background. She knows how they will react to this fake marriage.. Even Dev had a taste of the family's attitude when they beat him up. .He has also seen the way they used to treat Geet.
I am all for forgiving people. But there are always exception - Some sins are unpardonable!! I would have thought of forgiving him if he had cheated her off the land and jewels only. But he destroyed a young woman's life for his momentory pleasure..
Have you thought how the child would feel when he comes to know Dev is the father? When it comes to know that the traumas mom faced to bring it to life? Do u realize the psychological trauma on a child ? And if the 3 of them are there together, how confused the child's life would be?
I am basically a person who sees life with rose tinted glasses. But there are times I remove the glasses!!
What I mean to say is that in my book - I have no sympathy for a rapist !!
If the case is to give people 2nd chance, why dont we give a second chance to terrorists ??? What about the case of Ruchika - the rape victim ? Shouldnt the man be left free??
This is giving a message to society that u can do sins (NOT mistakes) and expect to be forgiven cos u have changed to a new leaf and enjoy life without any recupperssions!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#52
Death is NOT the solution to everything - or anything for that matter. That's like killing a problem rather than facing it. Stand for yourself and fight for it - is the best you can do.

Other alternatives - sure. Just kick Dev out of the house and into jail. You can be pardoned or made to pay for crime, not for sin. There is no forgiveness for such heinous deed. Aise toh everyone can do crimes and then remorse later....but is that practical?

And you are talking about forgiving Dev for he belongs to a khandani family. Would you stay put with your thoughts if it was a road side romeo or a gali ka gunda?
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Posted: 15 years ago
#53
This is becoming interesting.😃

Firstly, Nandita. I would not place trust above love but as a branch of it. Secondly, I am not trying to change your heart.

However I am calling to that part of you that I know exists. Without naming names, recently an actor committed an act where he fell from grace in your eyes compounded by his words. However instead of closing off all avenues of hope and reform, you let him be, giving him a chance to climb back upon that pedestal once again. From your recent comments I believe, correct me if I am wrong, that he has regained his former glory.

I am calling to this part of you, that allows people to change, to reform, to prove that they can once again be a beautiful human soul that warrants your respect.

To be perfect is miraculous but to seek perfection after falling is noble indeed. Should we not encourage an environment that allows hope to flourish instead of despair. To quote Jane Bennett, 'He is now perhaps sorry for what he has done and anxious to re establish a character. "We must not make him desperate."

Or to put it another way, 'there but by the grace of God go I."

@ nandita, rev and dolphinusa

You are misunderstanding me. I am not asking Dev to be part of Maaneet's life as he is now, but rather as a 'changed' man.

Let me ask you in a different way. Suppose Dev is tried and convicted of rape, imprisoned, ostracized by his family. This whole series events changes him, his heart, his way of thinking whereby his whole being changes. I am asking you, is THIS NEW DEV not allowed to be part of Maaneet's family? Do you think that the character of Maan and the character of Geet would turn their backs upon this NEW DEV?

As for Revv's comments upon the 'trauma of the child knowing about the 'character of his father'. The strength of the human soul to flourish in adversity is remarkable. I have known many children who 'live' with parents with the character of Dev let alone 'know' of them. I agree, to protect him from Dev as he is now is necessary, but if he reforms, is there not a way forward. No matter what, a child's curiousity will always want to know, no matter what the consequences. My cousin experienced something similar. When the father that abandoned him and his mother wanted to 'know' his child, my cousin gave that 'dev' of a man one chance. That man did not make use of that chance but to me that is not the issue, the issue was of the character of my cousin and his mother.

Here I am asking us to look at the character of Geet and Maan, what type of 'strong' child they will raise, one who would be well able to defend himself against dev, even IF he never changes. We can not cotton wool our children forever. True in the early years absolutely, but in later years he will have to learn the truth in order to mature. Adversity is the best teacher. Unfortunately for us, however how spectacular that growth; how wondrous the potential for the human soul. If Dev is killed off, ostracized, abandoned (as he deserves) then we also cut off his avenue for return, which Maaneet's forgiveness may allow.

For isn't our justice system based upon the notion that punishment is a deterrent but also a means of retribution but also as means of reforming a man. That he goes in a criminal but comes out humbled, ready to make a place for himself in society anew. Is Dev not allowed this chance to reform? Would you place ALL criminals beyond hope? Lock them up indefinitely? Thereby upon parole leave them ALL upon that deserted island, regardless of change, regardless of the possibility of change, of even ascertaining its occurrence.

nandita, Did I make it unto your 'debate' team. I am thinking, probably not. I tried my best. 😳

Love Sabah
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Posted: 15 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: a little faith

This is becoming interesting.😃

Firstly, Nandita. I would not place trust above love but as a branch of it. Secondly, I am not trying to change your heart.

However I am calling to that part of you that I know exists. Without naming names, recently an actor committed an act where he fell from grace in your eyes compounded by his words. However instead of closing off all avenues of hope and reform, you let him be, giving him a chance to climb back upon that pedestal once again. From your recent comments I believe, correct me if I am wrong, that he has regained his former glory.

I am calling to this part of you, that allows people to change, to reform, to prove that they can once again be a beautiful human soul that warrants your respect.

To be perfect is miraculous but to seek perfection after falling is noble indeed. Should we not encourage an environment that allows hope to flourish instead of despair. To quote Jane Bennett, 'He is now perhaps sorry for what he has done and anxious to re establish a character. "We must not make him desperate."

Or to put it another way, 'there but by the grace of God go I."

@ nandita, rev and dolphinusa

You are misunderstanding me. I am not asking Dev to be part of Maaneet's life as he is now, but rather as a 'changed' man.

Let me ask you in a different way. Suppose Dev is tried and convicted of rape, imprisoned, ostracized by his family. This whole series events changes him, his heart, his way of thinking whereby his whole being changes. I am asking you, is THIS NEW DEV not allowed to be part of Maaneet's family? Do you think that the character of Maan and the character of Geet would turn their backs upon this NEW DEV?

As for Revv's comments upon the 'trauma of the child knowing about the 'character of his father'. The strength of the human soul to flourish in adversity is remarkable. I have known many children who 'live' with parents with the character of Dev let alone 'know' of them. I agree, to protect him from Dev as he is now is necessary, but if he reforms, is there not a way forward. No matter what, a child's curiousity will always want to know, no matter what the consequences. My cousin experienced something similar. When the father that abandoned him and his mother wanted to 'know' his child, my cousin gave that 'dev' of a man one chance. That man did not make use of that chance but to me that is not the issue, the issue was of the character of my cousin and his mother.

Here I am asking us to look at the character of Geet and Maan, what type of 'strong' child they will raise, one who would be well able to defend himself against dev, even IF he never changes. We can not cotton wool our children forever. True in the early years absolutely, but in later years he will have to learn the truth in order to mature. Adversity is the best teacher. Unfortunately for us, however how spectacular that growth; how wondrous the potential for the human soul. If Dev is killed off, ostracized, abandoned (as he deserves) then we also cut off his avenue for return, which Maaneet's forgiveness may allow.

For isn't our justice system based upon the notion that punishment is a deterrent but also a means of retribution but also as means of reforming a man. That he goes in a criminal but comes out humbled, ready to make a place for himself in society anew. Is Dev not allowed this chance to reform? Would you place ALL criminals beyond hope? Lock them up indefinitely? Thereby upon parole leave them ALL upon that deserted island, regardless of change, regardless of the possibility of change, of even ascertaining its occurrence.

nandita, Did I make it unto your 'debate' team. I am thinking, probably not. I tried my best. 😳

Love Sabah




first underlined part...do pm me the name of actor you talking of....coz i can remember it to be a Character...not actor....still i could like to know about it....
as for trust above love....how can i love a person i don't trust or has not earned my trust...for me anyday trust is all above love....
well everybody has different way of seeing things....i respect that...but i respect mine too

second underlined part....guess you are failing to see that we...yes i say we taking in few other views i see here , and been seeing all around the forum....DEV CANNOT BE FORGIVEN....
Sabah some things have no turning back....no return point.......but a dead end...bas.
you tried your best....but sorry i still don't and never will agree to your point of view...

@Rev - thanks hun for agreeing to post here



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Posted: 15 years ago
#55
second underlined part....guess you are failing to see that we...yes i say we taking in few other views i see here , and been seeing all around the forum....DEV CANNOT BE FORGIVEN....
Sabah some things have no turning back....no return point.......but a dead end...bas.
you tried your best....but sorry i still don't and never will agree to your point of view...

I know I am in the minority. However I have never sided with the axiom 'might is right'.

However I understand people's need for justice. I guess it is about different world views. I have always stood towards leniency, maybe due to my own deficiencies. I understand in the chaos of the times we live in that punishment might be the better than forgiveness.

I just can not convince my heart.

I am mailing you the rest of this post, for some things are just between friends.

Love Sabah
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Posted: 15 years ago
#56
I haven't read any of the comments here...will read all pages and participate. I love such debates :-)
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Posted: 15 years ago
#57
Hey,
I do not think there is any need to show death, at this point in the serial. Dev can be punished (like jail or permanent relationship breaking with Maan) by Maan or Geet. Geet's baby is the key of the story so she cant die for sure.

Love
Pallu
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Posted: 15 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: dolphinUSA

I haven't read any of the comments here...will read all pages and participate. I love such debates :-)



I too love debates where i can fins ways to prune and grow. The results depend upon our opponents.

I have been blessed that I met Nandita. 😃

I will wait for your comments, if you feel inspired to do so.

Love Sabah

@naanaamii

Me too, 😳
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Posted: 15 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: palluluvsarmaan

Hey,
I do not think there is any need to show death, at this point in the serial. Dev can be punished (like jail or permanent relationship breaking with Maan) by Maan or Geet. Geet's baby is the key of the story so she cant die for sure.

Love
Pallu



No doubt Dev will be punished? What I am asking is can Dev be forgiven?


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Posted: 15 years ago
#60
Hey, Dev cannot be forgiven at all. He has committed a crime. He should get hard punishment. what pissed me more was in yesterday's episode, he pushed all blame on Naintara. 😡 thats so not done. She did not ask him to sleep with Geet.😡

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