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Posted: 7 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: Athene



No I feel this was needed. Satrupa has so far kept her emotions at bay and never let her heart get ahead of her head. But at some point in time the heart needs to win and the emotions need to come out. Here Satrupa was already scared that if Ladoo told Anami everything then she would lose Anami, so even a small hint would send her into a panic where the brain would shut down and the heart would take over. It felt just right to me.

Yes but if they continue this then it might seem that Satrupa has been TRPified.



I was expecting her opportunistic side will win and she will tun around this situation to her advantage by blaming Anami for bringing Sudha and laying it on Sudha.
They're crying more of late
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Posted: 7 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Yes Simran Adhi did had a sour relation with Dheeru, which thawed, so the betrayal is related to that. It is also related to how Dheeru used the info he gave for getting 50% stake in RS.



Shruthi, it seemed like an old grudge.Not the recent fiasco where they got richer by the inside info he misused.
Let's see, am eager to see teh Pandey connection
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Posted: 7 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: simran_singh_24



I was expecting her opportunistic side will win and she will tun around this situation to her advantage by blaming Anami for bringing Sudha and laying it on Sudha.
They're crying more of late


True that could have happened as well.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

2/1/2018

The scene I loved the most was Satrupa breaking everything in the room. She goes on a rampage. A complete rampage. She opens the closet and throws the clothes. It looked like Kali is on complete destruction mode, complete destruction mode. All secrets of LM are gonna come out. She is tremendous pain and that pain has reached alarming proportions. The fire that was burning inside her, which she was suppressing in the name of reeti, neeti and parampara is going to find its outlet. And only one thing can stop her. Her child, her daughter. Only if she knows the truth, only if she accepts the mother the rampage will stop.
Satrupa will have to give answer to the question would she have come for Anami if Vatsalya was alive. What is that answer, what is that truth. The box which Satrupa opened which have the baby clothes of a girl, which she had kept treasured in that box lies the truth of why Satrupa did what she did. If she had discarded the girl and never thought about her, why keep those baby clothes of a girl. There was no need. It's a reason which she is unable to tell, unable to express. Only if she can find words for that box, expression for that action she will be able to stop herself from the rampage. And she will have to stop.

Anami, once again believe me I do not empathaize with her. Though I know Satrupa has done the mistake, I could understand from where Satrupa is coming. What was the basis of her decisions. The harsh life she had lived. I know Satrupa has to take a long walk for her mistakes but the same applies to Anami. She is head strong. She says trust is broken. But has she trusted in true sense. If she had she would not have ignored the warnings of Adhi and Gayatri with respect to Sudha. She wouldnt have told Vikku so strongly from where she is standing Sudha is right. She plays victim. What kind of a victim she is. Is she victim like Narotham. Answer is no. Is she victim like Adhi and Tanya. No. Yes there had been a darkness in her life. But with that darkness she had painted her vision and she thinks she as a victim has right to make all the judgements and she is correct. Now Adhiraj is asking Anami not to take hasty decisions. But she is not going to listen. She is going to put him in a soup.

This is where Adhi's path is gonna cross with Dheeru. Adhi was telling his father why he ran away. He should have fought blah blah. Why Anami is running away with Ladoo. What is the compulsion. If he is supporting her what is the need, he is forgetting his duty as a CBI officer, he is violating the court's orders. Why. Situation makes you take decision which are not written in hard rock. It makes you take decision which are not exactly black and white but are grey. Adhi is helping Anami as a friend and of course LM means risk for Ladoo. But can Anami keep Ladoo safe. That's the mute question.

Path crossing of Anami will happen with Satrupa. She has accused Satrupa of lot of things. Selfish, not a mother blah blah. She had also defined mother. When she goes with Ladoo she is literally mother of Ladoo. She had refused a chance for Satrupa to correct herself which finally resulted in Satrupa hiding Ladoo. I want Anami to run begging for that second chance after committing a mistake. I dont know with whom. But she will have to run around. I want Anami to feel that hatred from a loved one. A kind of hatred you get from your loved one. Anami had not experienced it. For that matter she has not experienced life. She will learn her lessons soon.

Symbolically when Adhi gives her jacket she was outside LM yet inside it. Somewhere I feel she will not be able to cut that relations completely and when it seems she is alone, he will be there for her. I also loved when Anami hugged him, Adhi didnt exploit the situation. He gave only a friendly hug.

shruti 2day 4 the 1st time i disagree wid u on both anami & satrupa. i dont find satrupa rite & anami wrong. i can understand anami better & can connect 2 her even if sumtimes shes stubborn but satrupa no way. 4 once i felt 4 satrupa wen she accepted her mistake & told why she did but the moment anami showed her the mirror she again started doing victim drama. more than anami starupa does victim drama & blames oders. anami wenever proved wrong she accepts & doesnt show arrogance but satrupa is not like this. she starts playing victim card.
anami has more reasons 2 distrust satrupa & satrupa needs 2 do more concrete .anami was rite & bang on abt mother. and abt getting hate then she experienced it wid laddoo courtesy 2 matlabi mataji.its really difficult 2 say anami has no rite 2 feel victimized etc etc & satrupa is rite.satrupa only kept those clothes doesnt mean she missed anami. if thats the case then why dint she even tried 2 get sum info abt her w/o letting it know 2 any1.she has resources & power.

only thing i agree wid u on adhi part.anami did trust adhi's warnings thatswhy she gave warning 2 sudha & not trusting her much.she only saw her victim so brought her but now shes not doing that also.thatswhy wen laddo was kidnapped she blamed sudha. & almost threatened her.

and i dint think satrupa was shown as kaali rather i felt they showed it like all truth abt her LM will cum out.thatswhy in BG showed Goddess .
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Posted: 7 years ago
#95

The question that comes up again and again in this serial. What is a good mother ?

Briefly read through posts. I strongly disagree that Anami has to be the one that needs to come running to Satrupa for redemption. No, for me it's Satrupa that needs redemption. Let's go right back to the beginning.

Anami was happy in Benaras. She was a much loved daughter. But she always has an emptiness on her birthday for 17 years. She feels guilty for that. She says her life was perfect but for that. Anami has a mother, Panditayen. A loving mother, a hands on mother, a sacrificial one who loves her unconditionally. She did not care Anami was adopted. she did not care she was not her own, she loved her because Anami exists. More importantly she loved Anami the same even after Ladoo was born. She did not sacrifice Anami for one minute, did make her feel different even after a child who Panditayen probably prayed years for was born. That is the definition of a good mother. Anami is loved by such a mother. She will not accept anything less. That is why Anami still wears the clothes stitched by Panditayen. The weird, unfashionable clothes when tempted by gorgeous, designer ones. Anami's life will be so much easier if she could just give in and accept all that the heir of LM is entitled to. She will get wealth, clothes, jewels, land. Who knows what ? One could even argue Anami can help the Pandits more if she accepts the hand on LM. But she does not. Why ? Stubbornness ? Pride ? No, it is love, love of parents who took her in when they had nothing, who got nothing from LM for raising her. Who raised her as their own with infinite love. Anami's zid is because her parents are the Pandits. To become the heir of LM would mean ceasing to be the child of the Pandits and Anami cannot do that. Avdoot has loving parents too. But he was willing to give up all that for being the LM heir. Pandits were willing to go to jail or leave their life in Benaras in order to be a family with Anami. That is love. That is a family. Ladoo's life would be sacrificed for Anami, but they never differentiated between their biological child and foster one. Families stick together, that's what they do. A child raised with so much love like Anami was will never accept anything less. I cannot connect a lot of times with Anami. Her zid, stupidity, impulsiveness. But I connect so much with the way she loves the Pandits and how they love her.

Satrupa does not love like that. I have enormous sympathy for Satrupa. She may have had a valid reason to give Anami up. She did not want to. She might have spent 17 years burning inside for her daughter too. But reality is she abandoned her. Even now it is all Anami, Anami, Anami. When she prepares the tray, it is what Anami likes. What about Ladoo ? Satrupa has had a bad life. People use her. Baldev does not care for her. She yearns for Anami's love. Anami is rude to her, does not let her in. But nothing excuses Satrupa putting Ladoo in danger for Anami's love. Nothing. I don't care how much Satrupa yearns for Anami. There is absolutely no excuse for what she did to Ladoo. All the material goods in the world does not excuse that. Satrupa does not know the meaning of what a mother is, Anami is right there. A good mother will not sacrifice someone else's child for her own child's love. That's what Sudha does. She sacrifices others for her selfish reasons. Motive and intent does not matter here. A good person does not sacrifice others for their selfish reasons and a good mother, never. One of the traits of a sociopath is even if they have a conscience it is weak. Satrupa's conscience failed her then. Her sociopathic tendencies took over, the LM Bahu took over. A mother would never put another child in danger for her own selfish reasons.

Personal tragedies in our own lives do not ever excuse bad behavior on our part. I cannot excuse such behavior in RL or in fictional stories. The redemption Satrupa needs to do is towards the Pandits. For having ingratitude towards them, for threatening them, for never once saying thank you, for taking both their children from them. The day she is grateful towards the Pandits is the day she will stop harming Ladoo in any way. Then she will Anami's love. Until then Satrupa does not deserve to be called Mom by Anami even if her life is one big tragedy.

Anami has lots of growing up to do. I do not excuse what she did. But in this she is right to me.

Edited by Mangothyme - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#96
we must also not forget the child satrupa claims to love -Anami. was begging to her to find laddu. she still hid him. she let her cry be in pain for laddu. Is this what is a mothers love. how can anyone expect anami to understand satrupa and focus on sudha
And before this kidnapping happened anami was already doubting sudha and still is even after she killed pushottam.
anami did not trust sudha asked help from sudha in laddu's case. It was her mother that she trusted. That is why she is more bothered about satrupa hiding laddo than focussing on sudha's part in the kidnapping

I for that matter can understand satrupa giving away anami her main fault isnt that. her main fault lies in threatening her parents and destroying the peaceful life of a child for her own gain. Forcibly separating her from her parents and having no remorse about it
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Posted: 7 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

I loved the confrontation between Sat& ANami. How I wished Satrupa told her she did it to oust Sudha!

Is anyone feeling Satrupa is beying TRPfied a bit? I thought she would've held on to her ulterior motive bit longer. In a way, am happy they're moving with the story and dropping less significant parts.

I'm curious abt Dadi, she's observing everything.The pain of Anami,Satrupa,Sudha's game, Adhi's interest. I hope she will do something in her own style.

Baldev called Anami for the first time and I think in typical LM way the Singhs will try to muscle open the closed door to Anami's heart & reach nowhere.

I loved Anami-adhi meeting, right from her tearful "Hello Daroga" to his "kyon ro rahi ho", they were fabulous.👏
Yes, Shruthi, adi didn't take advantage of a distraught girl, he comforted her like a friend and his anger towards Sat for what she had done to Laddoo was not like an officer's it was like family member's.
Yes, he's going to be sucked into LM's family politics and when he was talking abt betrayal, i got a feeling it had something to do with Dhiru,more than his recent hijacking of RS shares.Something in the past, we dont know.


Agree with all except @Bold.

Today Satrupa showed Anami her real self which she hardly shows to anyone. She was at her most vulnerable. Satrupa likes control. Of her environment to her emotions. But today she let everything fall. She showed Anami the pain, the yearning she has carried for 17 years, how Anami's actions rejecting her as mother hurt her. That she did not give up Anami lightly. None of this has to do with Sudha or even Vatsalya. It is very much to do with Satrupa as a mom to Anami. If she had lied it will be for short term gain. There will always be a sword hanging over her head.

if she had done it for Sudha it will be for LM, Anami will never excuse it. But today when Satrupa has everything to lose and lost everything, she spoke the truth. She spoke deep from the heart of how her yearning made her forget her morals and place an innocent child Ladoo in harms way.This day will bring Anami back to her. If she had done it for Sudha, the LM bahu part of her would have done it and Anami will never forgive her. Instead the mother did it. I will never excuse what Satrupa did. It is wrong and not what a good mother does. But it also shows the deep yearning and someday Anami will respond to that in Satrupa.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#98
In one earlier analysis Shruthi had mentioned that Gayathri was directing Satrupa. She tells her to forget Anami is her daughter and do what is necessary. In the recent episodes she has sensed something is amiss and Satrupa is restless. She warns her not to estrange Anami and that she would not be forgiven if she does that.
The need that prompted Satrupa to keep Ladoo in the guest house is Anami. The need acceptance.she justifies that it is to make Sudha falter but it is her need which is driving the action.
She is her playful self only with Ladoo.it is very painful to all the time be on your guard and do only what is expected of you. When none sense her need to listen to her pain. If a box with the baby socks intended for her little girl can act as a speed breaker in her rage the extent to which the remorse can weigh should be brou out.
Anami everytime questions if she would have gone to fetch her if vatsalya was around.
Satrupa has to answer that to herself. In the 17 years she never seems to have once remembered her. I know of mother's who remember even miscarriage s and think of the child the lost foetus would have been so how can a mother not recall a child she gave away. What is it that caused her amnesia?
She did not take anyone other than Damu into confidence .she interpreted the gurujis direction in a way that suited her. It must be staged away somewhere in her heart. That reason must be brought out. Satrupa s pain and guilt over what she did then needs to be brought out not merely the manifestation of what she did now in her bid to buy time to bond with Anami. That is what will be the redemption. That will make her pain relatable that would make us see the Satrupa she is not the one she presents to the world outside. The indifferent RS and LM spokesperson.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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The characters in this show are so fascinating; I am not only loving the show but also enjoy reading the many wonderful interpretations of the characters and their actions.

My favorite scene was Satrupa's breakdown scene. Was unable to hold back my tears when her uncontrollable rage finally succumbed to her deepest insecurities and she fell clutching her baby girl's clothes to her bosom and wept. The character has been so well written that knowing all her faults we still cant help feel for her.

Also loved the way they are handling the Anami-Adhiraj closeness. Adhi is a good man, they both know their feelings, Anami is at her lowest point and Adhi recognizes that she needs him more as a friend than as a lover. Glad the makers are maintaining the sanctity of their relationship.


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Posted: 7 years ago
Mangothyme, u put in my thoughts exactly wrt Anami. Earlier also, I agreed about Adhi-Anami relation. And guys, many of u think that Anami needs redemption. But as Mangothyme put it correctly, how can u expect it? For 17 years she was abandoned. She had questions. If u recollect early episodes, she used to come home crying from school, about how she was made fun of. She is a teenager. Imagine yourselves in her position. She was ridiculed by society for no fault of hers. But a stigma attached to her. As adults also our egos when hurt, go into revenge mode; in that age any child will have questions about itself; that growing up; that ego. She was battered. And as Mangothyme put it correctly, everytime it was her foster parents who supported her; who loved her unconditionally; those smaal scoldings; those feelings of pain empathised with her by them especially Madhu was well etched. So she had a natural anger over her mother. But she started believing her when Ladoo was kidnapped. And that trust broke yesterday by Sat's confession. What had Sat done in the past 17 years? She literally forgot Anami existed. It was only after Vat's death when Guruji reminded her of her daughter, and coaxed and goaded by him she went to Benaras. It is to her credit that initially she was hesitant. But when Guruji told her that Anami was her mirror image that the first signs of meltdown started. But the manner in which she dragged Anami out of Pathks' house was cruel. Same with keeping Ladoo.
But I am happy they didn't show Sat as immediately changing into goody goody. Her motherly feelings arose and they brought out her selfishness. Credit to the writers for this.
And yesterday, she was as some of u put it at her vulnerable most. And so came out the truth. And it came to her daughter. It will take Anami time to understand that.
Yes, Anami will also have a heartbreak to regain her trust of her mother. But I wonder who will do that. I don't think it would be Sudha. Should be someone more close.
One more thing. I think it will be Panditayein who will slap Sat out of her vain stupor. It needs someone like her who needs to make Sat understand what motherhood is. Not Gayatri or any LM walas. And I feel Lubna Saleem will do justice if made to that.

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