Polemic Jackanapes #2: [COMPLETE] Chapter 13-27B

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RasgullaSP

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Posted: 11 years ago

#411

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Arnav and Khushi love each other.

Payal and Aakash love each other.

Payal is always at loggerheads with Arnav.

But with a couple of your updates you have established how well Payal understands Arnav. And how, at most times, Arnav does heed to Payal and opens up to her.

While Khushi too understands Arnav and supports him as a lover, Payal does so as a friend. Khushi has accepted Arnav with all his perfections and flaws as she loves him, while Payal has no such 'hindrances'. So, at times, I think Payal can see what Khushi cannot. And Payal can talk with a frankness that Khushi cannot, lest she hurt him

I hope when Arnav's anger cools off he would think about what Payal said and make peace with it.

At the start of the chapter itself you had established yet again that Payal likes Arnav but she wants him to become stronger. Today Payal forced Arnav to face his weakness in stinging words. The intentions were noble on her end. I hope the repercussions are good too on his.

Wasnt the last chapter about PayAsh separation? And this was about ArHi...

Talking of last chapter... Tune last chapter exactly last month post kiya tha 😲

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meera30

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Posted: 11 years ago

#412

Res

Edited:

There are chapters which make you think about so many things at once, that you feel drained and excited all at once at the sheer breadth of issues your brain seems to be able to process. With PJ, of course, that is every chapter.

So once again, to help my mind structure things a little so that what I say makes some sense, i will use bullets

The entire conversation where Payal wants to tease Khushi about food and Garima asking her not too - TOO familiar. Why do mothers have to do that, I wonder? My mother forbids me from the same thing every time too. I hate that. What a kill joy!
Why does Payal judge Arnav so much? The entire strong - weak thing is such a mystery to me. So he is weak because he didnt respond to her barbs? So responding to ridiculous, mean statements in the same vein is the only sign of strength? Payal disappoints me here. As do most people who are vocal and do not understand that silence is just as strong as words and sometimes more. Also, Payal worries how he will protect her sister? Does her sister even need protection? Support, yes. But protection? <Shrugs> - For me this part was a little too condescending. i like Payal, don't get me wrong. She reminds me of myself in most ways. But there is this inherent need to judge, assess, evaluate that I don't appreciate in anyone. And especially when done to people who are family, friends - NOT cool
There is something fresh about Arnav and Payal's relationship. As Saiyu says - her position as the friend actually empowers her in a way a lover can never be. So it is great that partly through these conversations, Arnav will find some points to ponder about.
Failure? Why is he a failure? Because he doesnt feel strongly about being a lawyer like she does? That doesn't seem to be reason enough to be called that! Arnav may not have reacted. I sure did. I don't think ANYONE has any right calling ANYONE else a failure. No, Sir. Each life is unique, the definitions of success and failure tailored to his/her circumstances. JUdging someone else by your parameters can only make sense to you.
He tells her what/how he feels with the confidence that she will understand. And understand she does. But she (as said before) judges just as quickly. I like that she asked him to not define himself using others even Khushi. That is solid advice. But sometimes just lending an ear is enough. He is struggling with his partner's absence and journey already and he is mature enough to be rational and understanding about it. What he confesses in a moment of unguised vulnerability - shouldn't be used to conclude he resents. In moments of unexpected loneliness - don't we all do this? Does that mean our feelings have changed, that they will...I think I know enough of this Arnav to say with confidence - Hell. No!

Phew - yes that's about it. I still don't feel like i have done justice to what I wanted to say. But for now - here it is. Maybe I will come back to say more later...

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IPK007

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Posted: 11 years ago

#413

Your story is among the few on IF that actually makes me want to strain that ol' bean, rattling away in my skull.😊

In a world, where people can spend a lifetime trying to understand their own selves, Payal believes she has Arnav all figured out. Wow!

Being vocal and opinionated is one thing, but in this chapter, she was way beyond that. She was presumptuous, offensive, judgemental and her use of words like 'failure' while supposedly attempting to 'counsel' a friend (that you can't just force your counselling upon a person, even if a friend, is a different matter altogether) casts serious aspersions on her medical training.

Her views are polemical, no doubt about that and I always have a problem with the arrogant belief in one's infallibility that leads to the inception of such views.

And yes, going by her impudence and lack of sensitivity today, she came close to being a jackanape as well!

Having got that off my chest, I still believe that Payal is not a bad person beacuse actions should be judged by the intentions behind them, and I do think that despite her blinders, she means well, and was really 'trying' to help Arnav, with trying being the key word here.

Your Arnav is not a weak character. Not by any yardstick, because real strength is silent and invisible, it is not measured by the force and loudness of your words or the level of aggression in your demeanor.

He reminds me of these famous lines.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

Brilliant work, Twiggy. Loved it :)

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Anjali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#414

. "Don't define yourself in terms of others, Arnav. Not even Khushi. Please." this line is killer and perhaps defines my whole life

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samarablog

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Posted: 11 years ago

#415

God, that was intense..

in the simplest manner, i would say, the last like stole my heart and now, here i am, thinking on those lines, for my life..

wow!

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AquaSandhya

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Posted: 11 years ago

#416

This chapter baffled me ...

When did failure begin to define, a smart, well qualified successful lawyer who is also high on emotional quotient. I somehow am unable to grasp this. I'm really sorry twiggy...I am repeating myself time and again. I know I asked you this question earlier and you replied but what do I do? This question came back to nag me again after reading this chapter, especially after reading what the highly-opinionated and annoying Payal had to say.

If this Arnav is a failure...then imagine a man/woman who is nowhere near where or what he is...we may need a new word to define their shortcomings or abysmal failures. I apologise deeply deeply deeply if I'm being rude here but such was the nastiness unleashed by Payal.

What makes her an expert on human failures or successes? What makes her judge Arnav?After all, she is a physician and not a psychologist. And even if she were, the first thing psychologists learn is to not judge people.

Let's say she spoke all that thinking Arnav is her friend...the first thing about friendship she needs to learn is to not put your friend down...which is exactly what she did. Because friends need your support not your insults. If you throw insults around as if they were advice, you may look around to find no one around you...no friends around you. That to me is the biggest failure in life.

Secondly, what gives Payal the right to interfere in Khushi's or Arnav's life? If she is an independent woman who believes in self and goes after what she wants, why does she feel her sister is any different. Why does Khushi need Payal's support? Khushi is more well-rounded than Payal.

If I were Arnav, I wouldn't give Payal the time of day. I would have walked out while she spewed venom, telling her exactly what I feel about her advice without the use of words.

I can never get this Payal and I really wish and pray that I never meet anyone like her. Even her last sentence of advice didn't salvage her and this is purely my point of view.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry... Twiggy...a thousand apologies. You are such a sweetheart and for you to come up with a character such as this one? Just goes to show the maturity in your writing.

I wish you would show us the growth in Arnav's character soon.

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Arnima

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Posted: 11 years ago

#417

Payal and Arnav share a strange relationship. They are poles apart in their personalities, nature, approach, perspectives and yet Payal would come closest to being a friend or a sounding board in times like this. Perhaps somewhere because they are sailing in the same boat. Sometimes you just want a patient listener, an objective third party view, an agony aunt to listen to your woes and insecurities and provide reassurance without judging. And that is where Payal saddeningly fails. She lacks the sensitivity and subtlety that everybody else has and that the situation warranted. She outright judged Arnav, belittling his emotions and insecurities and in the process letting down the trust he had placed in her while opening up. Insinuating him to be a hypocrite and envious for failing to revel in Khushi's achievements due to his own failure. When he is not a failure, far from it actually. He has emerged as a bigger and better person everytime. He is successful, compassionate, smart, sensitive and clearly so much in love with her sister. And clearly Payal is not a good judge of people if she has not still fully recognised what a gem of a person Arnav is. I wish Payal would have one redeemable quality that could put her at par with Arnav's strength of character. Even if her untainted perception and sincere advice was valuable it did little to salvage the situation or assuage his fears.

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Arshi67

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Posted: 11 years ago

#418

How true what Payal said about not defining yourself based on another's happiness.

But so difficult to practice. Being strong enough to be happy in yourself even while your loved one is miserable is not easy.

You have to be really comfortable in your own skin to be able to do that

Arnav clearly hasn't got there. Although nice to see that Garima has faith in his ability to succeed.

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divya

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Posted: 11 years ago

#419

"Don't define yourself in terms of others, Arnav. Not even Khushi. Please."

payal s d only 1 who cud say anydng 2 arnav at pointblank

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1chilly

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Posted: 11 years ago

#420

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What have you leashed upon us Twiggs?

Such reactions from your readers.

Payal seems to be the most favourite person all around.😆

She really is behaving like a psychologist.

She calls herself Arnav's friend.

He shared his feelings with her and she called him jealous.

What does she think she is?

She needs a lesson in life.

She has got used to having things her way all the time.

Hope she is taught a lesson soon.

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