Polemic Jackanapes #2: [COMPLETE] Chapter 13-27B - Page 11

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what a bomb of a chapter. It makes me wonder if you have not somehow been there and done that. Anyways - really awesome chapter and the description of arshi's feelings are just incredibly realistic. In fact this what I like most about this story - the realistic and down to earth touch. What I take from this chapter us khushi's words #Go help him. You can help yourself later, and for that you have me.# - Will Arnav be able to do that? sometimes it is better not to think about things but just go and do what you need to do. the action in itself is part of the healing process!

Originally posted by: Rasgulla_sp

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A sleepy Saiyu says silly stuff in her sleep 😃

Isn't Arnav doing what Lavanya already did? Gave up, stopped fighting, allowed the drug to pull her into a dark abyss.

It didn't help La. It won't help Arnav either.

It is called Learned Helplessness (Seligman and Maier) When you feel so helpless that you give up on fighting or even looking for escape routes even when opportunities to change a situation presents itself. You are so overwhelmed that you give up. It is characterised by depressed mood, feeling of worthlessness and suicidal tendencies.

Lavanya had experienced all three and Arnav is hovering over the periphery of the first two. I am glad Khushi is giving him regular doses of logic and understanding.

All of us have a choice. It was Las choice to take her life. However it was always Aman's and Arnav's choice to give justice to La. What couldn't be achieved in her life can still be accomplished after her death.

Aman, I guess, feels guilty too about not being able to help his sister and is therefore 'displacing his emotions' (Freud) on Arnav. Once he allows his emotions to settle, I am sure Aman will come around.

Whattay contrast! Khushi had been happy because of the news she wanted to share but didn't in view of Arnav's misery. Arnav forgot all about his misery and was genuinely happy for Khushi on hearing her news. True love, that ❤️

Dekh main padhai kar rahi hun. Proof tere saamne hai 😃

PS- Nice banner Heaven 😊

I agree
Now is the to fight and not give up
Fight for Lav
Just because she gave up doesn't mean Arnav has to
Aman needs him more than ever especially now
Right now he needs to help Aman fight those in-laws and bail him out of jail

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God its sad to see arnav! He is wallowing in his guilt! Arnav by nature seem is an emotional person! By emotional i dont mean that he is sentimental or so but he feels more than others! He gets affected by things more deeply!Secondly he is like a sponge, soaking in things but never taking it out! So combining all this factors the suicide of lavanya along with his friend's arrest has taken a heavy toll on arnav's psyche! N therefore he is blaming himself more than he should! But arnav one cannot live your life with 'what if' 'why' and all! Some things are meant to happen! But the feeling of letting lavanya and his friend down was i guess too much for arnav!

Originally posted by: Rasgulla_sp

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A sleepy Saiyu says silly stuff in her sleep 😃

Isn't Arnav doing what Lavanya already did? Gave up, stopped fighting, allowed the drug to pull her into a dark abyss.

It didn't help La. It won't help Arnav either.

It is called Learned Helplessness (Seligman and Maier) When you feel so helpless that you give up on fighting or even looking for escape routes even when opportunities to change a situation presents itself. You are so overwhelmed that you give up. It is characterised by depressed mood, feeling of worthlessness and suicidal tendencies.

Lavanya had experienced all three and Arnav is hovering over the periphery of the first two. I am glad Khushi is giving him regular doses of logic and understanding.

All of us have a choice. It was Las choice to take her life. However it was always Aman's and Arnav's choice to give justice to La. What couldn't be achieved in her life can still be accomplished after her death.

Aman, I guess, feels guilty too about not being able to help his sister and is therefore 'displacing his emotions' (Freud) on Arnav. Once he allows his emotions to settle, I am sure Aman will come around.

Whattay contrast! Khushi had been happy because of the news she wanted to share but didn't in view of Arnav's misery. Arnav forgot all about his misery and was genuinely happy for Khushi on hearing her news. True love, that ❤️

Dekh main padhai kar rahi hun. Proof tere saamne hai 😃

PS- Nice banner Heaven 😊

If a sleepy Saiyu can write this nice long comment then what a wide awake Saiyu can do?, i can't imagine - nice comment with a lot of thought, i can't agree enough with you.

Originally posted by: AquaSandhya

I maybe expressing controversial view here and you know I'll never expect you to agree with me Twigs. It is just another point of view that struck me and I feel the need to express it.

What Arnav is feeling ...the guilt, the helplessness is very natural. After all a life was lost and he can never have an answer as to whether or not that would have been different if he had moved faster on the case. Hence for me Arnav's reactions are bang on.

It is Khushi's rush that I'm a bit confused about. I can understand her wanting to comfort Arnav. I can understand her to not allow Arnav drown under his guilt. I can understand her pointing to Arnav that he did his best and there are situations that are out of his control, hence he cannot blame himself.

But what i cannot understand is that she is expecting him to get over her guilt...now. her irritation and irksome reactions are saying that to me. If Arnav didn't gel guilty and if Arnav got over his guilt fast is when Khushi should worry because it shows the person's callous nature.

What she needs to give Arnav is time to recover. Time is the healer and I'm not talking months and years. I'm talking days. She, as his partner of course should be there reminding him that he couldn't have done anything differently to save Lavanya but he can help Aman.

But then again, I don't blame Khushi. Coz she is a young girl herself. and the impatience and irksomeness come with the age. That is where Arnav stands tall for me in this story. Taller than all else. Despite his problem, he is there for Khushi. Asking her about her calls and discussing about it. He is the most giving person in this tale and I love him for that.

Great job Twigs.

P.S - Great banner Heaven :)

Originally posted by: dreamymaya

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To be there for a person in the hour of his/her need, to feel his/her pain, to be part of their pain is really difficult as it takes a toll on you too. And rarely do you see people who do that. Seeing your Khushi fighting for Arnav I felt proud of her. She has put her joy aside and literally forgotten about them since she too is pulled into the whirlpool of Arnav's pain and emotions. She is trying her best and fighting hard and its taking a toll on her. Very rarely someone does that for you..usually people leave you alone to deal with your demons...only if you love a person that deeply you will take up their battle and make it yours...you do this because you don't want to lose them to the clutches of depression...I loved her counter arguments with Arnav especially when she is desperately trying to drive a point into his mind

""Because she saw no hope."

"No, it's because she gave up all hope.", was Khushi's exasperated scream

Arnav, you have described him and his state very well. Depression's dark face you have painted so well that I don't see any flaw there..its so perfect!And you have articulated his thoughts well..I loved these below lines since I can connect with them as depression tastes the same for everyone ---

" He hated the gloom that seemed to have settled around them, but he couldn't do much about it. He could try and compartmentalize, try and keep things from affecting him personally, but it was almost like he didn't want to. He allowed the gravity of the situation, the magnitude of the events to seep into his being, allowed the reality to hit him hard, feeling the weight of his emotions as if it were a physical entity and since he felt to tired to fight, he embraced it. It brought him peace. (What he doesn't realise is that this peace which he feels is also an illusion, an escape route to cheat mind) He would enjoy the luxury of the few moments of this peace, since he knew Khushi would take it away from him any minute now, pushing him to get up and fight. The tigress she was, she would make him give it his all (He atleast has Khushi to bank on and his trust in her to revive him, for some all the revival mechanisms fail and they feel helpless to fight the drowning).

""Oh come on, Khushi. Really? It hasn't come to that yet, tell me what it is."

"So he asked you to send it to him?" his eyes shining with unmasked joy now, no traces of the earlier gloom.

--- Of course! Others joys can act as a distraction and for a soul like your Arnav who is selflessly happy for Khushi, her news brings joy but I hope later it doesn't turn as a bitter pill for him...depression can make you hurl words which you don't intend...but its also the time when bitter resentments come up like a volcanic lava burning you and others as well and it causes irreparable damages..Again when you wrote about his true joy, I remind me of the unbridled joy he feels for that few seconds in that dark gloom. It's kind of ray of hope that's all is not bad in this world. I hope he derives strength from it.

Their conversation or heated argument ---

You are talking about convenience, Arnav. I'll tell you what is. Its convenient to allow yourself to drown in guilt and give up. To allow yourself to be soothed by the balm that is self pity. I am telling you... this guilt, the pity, this.. dark place - its a drug. It is inviting and it will give you the release you so need. Don't give in to it, Arnav. Fight. Please, for you sake and mine, fight." ---- Amazingly you have written this point...Its truly a drug which tempts you and you feel, really feel like giving into it for its promise of soothing effect...It promises a painless world to you and you would want to give in...And Khushi is really scared, her fear is justified too. As Arnav is in denial.

With that she fell back on her seat, feeling drained. She felt the same desperation take over her like she had felt last night. Then she had left the loss physically, and now, it was emotional. In that moment she was unwilling to sympathize with his insecurities. She had to pull him out the abyss he was inadvertently plunging into. --- I admire your Khushi for this...Rarely people reach out! She is doing his battle now and its taxing her.

"Do you really think I don't, Arnav?" she asked, softly. His hand still in her's, she continued, his timbre not betraying any of the fear she felt.

He exhaled loudly, as if letting out a breath he had been painfully holding in for the longest time. "No", his voice a mere whisper ---- Another symptom of depression where you don't believe anyone can understand what you feel. You have written it so realistically.

Plus the closing line ", He wanted to believe all that she had said, hope that all of that was true. Then why did everything look so dark ? --- makes me wonder how he will fight this battle and I look forward to it..As his path is not easy and I am sure you are not planning a miracle but a realistic approach to his journey from darkness to light.

Oh! forgot to mention ---Its a lovely banner!!