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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Urmila11

Amrita, check Akshaya Patra episode dear, Emperor and Empress used to eat AFTER EVERYBODY 😊 I always feel they were like parents to their prajas.



Quick question - I have read that many people accompanied them during their exile - who funded for the food and accommodation of all these. Was Yudhi allowed to take money from IP before he left?
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Posted: 10 years ago
Akshay Patra is not in CE... 😭
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Posted: 10 years ago
Akshaya Patra as such is not in CE. As in a magical pot of food.
I am taking it to mean that they used to provide food for everyone. If Panchali was in charge of that, and she used to eat after everyone, don't you see she actually had quite a bit to do there?
Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Akshaya Patra as such is not in CE. As in a magical pot of food.

I am taking it to mean that they used to provide food for everyone. If Panchali was in charge of that, and she used to eat after everyone, don't you see she actually had quite about to do there?



That she did. but Im wondering about the finances part of it. If no Akshaya Patra, then how did they manage to arrange food for so many people?
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Posted: 10 years ago
Found it. This is Dury saying this about Panchali

And, O king, Yajnaseni, without having eaten herself, daily seeth whether everybody, including even the deformed and the dwarfs, hath eaten or not.


And I never thought I would quote this😆. Yudhi describes Panchali's charms in the DS

"Yudhishthira said,--'With Draupadi as stake, ... Possessed of every accomplishment and compassionate and sweet-speeched, she is such a woman as a man may desire for wife in respect of her fitness for the acquisition of virtue and pleasure and wealth. Retiring to bed last and waking up first, she looketh after all down to the cowherds and the shepherds. ..."


So there you go, from Yudhi and Dury, she had a talent for management and wealth. The knowledge of law and ethics, skills of diplomacy and negotiation and the stomach to order an execution, she exhibited herself.

All of Drau-Satya convo is otherwise seen in the epic, even if the convo itself was an interpolation

And this of course, from the Jyeshtest

"Karna said,--'We have never heard of such an act (as this one of Draupadi), performed by any of the women noted in this world for their beauty. When the sons of both Pandu and Dhritarashtra were excited with wrath, this Draupadi became unto the sons of Pandu as their salvation. Indeed the princess of Panchala, becoming as a boat unto the sons of Pandu who were sinking in a boatless ocean of distress, hath brought them in safety to the shore."


This is Vidur at the beginning of exile to Yudhi, although I think 'economy' here means spending prudently (COO rather than CFO)

"Dhananjaya is ever victorious in battle; Bhimasena is the slayer of foes; Nakula is the gatherer of wealth; Sahadeva hath administrative talents, Dhaumya is the foremost of all conversant with the vedas; and the well-behaved Draupadi is conversant with virtue and economy".


Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Probably like someone mentioned here previously, Vyasa didn't want any reader to miss what Panchali's accomplishments/skills were, so inserted the Drau/Satya convo.

Interesting to note that even Pancahli's enemies noticed her management skills.

Yudhi's speech - Whats the necessity to talk about her like this in front of a sabha full of men. The sweet , compassionate, accomplished part I can understand but 'such a woman as a man may desire for a wife' seems very distasteful, considering the situation and the audience.

Karna's speech - A person who describes Panchali in this manner, would he actually insult her in the sabha. It doesn't sound like he harbored a grudge against her from the SV days either.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Anu, I don't know what Krishna did at Abhimayu's death. I am yet to read that part. So what I think now is Krishna said those words only to anger reluctant Arjuna. He was giving Karna a lot of time which was dangerous for Arjuna's life itself. Krishna himself was unable to do something. So he poured fat in fire. Thats all. Well, that does not make Krishna like Karna. But it is also to be noted that we will have to go against some right sometimes. It is no one's mistake.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Thats precisely what I was saying Jamy. I dont think he liked Karna on a personal level. That does not mean he underestimated Karna; he would have been a fool to do so
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Posted: 10 years ago
Karmanyevadhikarasthe according to Panchali (only no one listened to her 😭)

It is seen, possessions are obtained from chance, as also from destiny Something being from destiny and something from chance, something is obtained by exertion. In the acquisition of his objects, there is no fourth cause in the case of man. Thus say those that are acquainted with truth and skilled in knowledge. If, however, God himself were not the giver of good and bad fruits, then amongst creatures there would not be any that was miserable. If the effect of former acts be a myth, then all purposes for which man would work should be successful. They, therefore, that regard the three alone (mentioned above) as the doors of all success and failure in the world, (without regarding the acts of former life), are dull and inert like the body itself. For all this, however, a person should act. This is the conclusion of Manu himself. The person that doth not act, certainly succumbeth, O Yudhishthira. The man of action in this world generally meeteth with success. The idle, however, never achieveth success. If success, becometh impossible, then should one seek to remove the difficulties that bar his way to success. And, O king, if a person worketh (hard), his debt (to the gods) is cancelled (whether he achieveth success or not). The person that is idle and lieth at his length, is overcome by adversity; while he that is active and skillful is sure to reap success and enjoy prosperity. Intelligent persons engaged in acts with confidence in themselves regard all who are diffident as doubting and unsuccessful. The confident and faithful, however, are regarded by them as successful. And this moment misery hath overtaken us. If, however, thou betakest to action, that misery will certainly be removed. If thou meetest failure, then that will furnish a proof unto thee and Vrikodara and Vivatsu and the twins (that ye are unable to snatch the kingdom from the foe). The acts of others, it is seen, are crowned with success. It is probable that ours also will be successful. How can one know beforehand what the consequence will be? Having exerted thyself thou wilt know what the fruit of thy exertion will be. The tiller tilleth with the plough the soil and soweth the seeds thereon. He then sitteth silent, for the clouds (after that) are the cause that would help the seeds to grow into plants. If however, the clouds favour him not, the tiller is absolved from all blame. He sayeth unto himself, 'What others do, I have done. If, notwithstanding this, I meet with failure, no blame can attach to me.' Thinking so, he containeth himself and never indulgeth in self-reproach. O Bharata, no one should despair saying, 'Oh, I am acting, yet success is not mine! For there are two other causes, besides exertion, towards success. Whether there be success or failure, there should be no despair, for success in acts dependeth upon the union; of many circumstances. If one important element is wanting, success doth not become commensurate, or doth not come at all. If however, no exertion is made, there can be no success. Nor is there anything to applaud in the absence of all exertion.

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar



Jamy, basically nobody can deny the fact that the epic has very much been edited and maybe the story we have today is not close to what actually it was. But point is, when debates are focused on today's world, I just feel we should keep the story as a base.. What we know MB today includes everything, no? For example today I start a story.
You make Karna do something great.
I make Karna do something completely opposite.
Amrita makes Drau do something and makes her 30 year old.
Some X, Y and Z do not like it and put in something where Drau is 10 and it's impossible.
It's like Spin the Yarn. But ultimately, the story built up includes your, mine and Amrita's story. Now without we admitting, can any Tom/Dick or Harry make out which is added later which one is true? I can calm what I dislike an interpolation, you can say just the opposite. This way we are not learning anything but wasting our time assuming stuff.
I just think it is better to take the story as it is and give our views. We should not argue about if Karna is 40 or 14 or if Draupadi was disrobed or covered with cloth. The story is there and we should analyse it. I can't say you all sto discussing. But it's just silly how you all keep on saying this is interpolation, Drau was this... You can never be sure. What you can say is what you think.

I totally agree with you. What I am saying is what I think or what I concluded, is right. But I am not saying things like I write an FF. I am very certain about evidences I get. For example, if you read CE, it is Arjuna who puts forward the idea of Draupadi marrying all five & in KMG it is Yudhi. Which one you will choose? One of this surely has to be an interpolation, right? Both cannot be right. There is the problem. Since MB is having many versions in Sanskrit itself, we cannot say which one is the most authentic. I don't have any problem in accepting any idea supported by solid evidences even if that idea agaist my thoughts of a character. Ultimately, I will only accept what is true & supported by evidences, not what I like today. That is the beauty of discussions for me.

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