Dharmakshetra :) - Page 59

Originally posted by: Arijit007

a thoroghly confused and confusing soul.

Originally posted by: ThePirateKing

A different question. Was Cambodia known as Kambuj in olden times?

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Can i give my POV on these accusations as well please 😊

1)Just saying "I am forveer in your debt" is not the hallmark of a good friend.
Can you please give me the citation for when Karna says this

This is just what modern readers and viewers think but Karna himself never says that the reason he is supporting Dury is because feels he is in debt or something.The only time when he says something close to this is when kunti comes and asks him to join the pandvas is when he says that he must support Dury just like Dury supported him

Otherwise in other acts he supported dury because they were friends hence out of friendship and loyalty he supported Dury just like pandavs supported Yudi as he was their brother.Juts like pandavas never stopped Yudi from making wrong decisions for example burning of Nishada's at lakshagarah or dice game neither did karna.I mean if we talk about loyalty then both karna and pandvas are guilty of blind loyalty at times.So either we accuse both or none

2)Regarding his involvement in Bhima's poisoning well hmm i don't think he was involved in Bhima's posing since krishna ji's accusation regarding this towards Karna is not there in CE.When krishna ji accuses karna in the end its all about dice hall poisoning part is not there in CE so i dont think he was involved

Lakshagarah yes he was involved and should be accused but then pandvas were also involved in the actual burning.SO i guess no one comes out as a good guy in the lakshagarah incident

Regarding Arjuna hmm jelaousy or competitiveness one can take either. being competitive is not exactly an accusation.I mean what Arjuna felt for eklavya is the same that karna felt for Arjuna.It was competition so not an accusation

3)This one i agree but don't agree that it was wrong to ask Drona for the weapon if he felt he was capable of it he asked Drona ,Drona refused that is the end of it.He didn't force Drona to give to him.Regarding his harsh words to other elders there i agree he was wrong

4)Again Drauapdi agree but he didnt humiliate Drauapdi as revenge for rejection.Again Drauapdi rejecting Karna is an interpolation since its not part of CE and even KMg mentions it once.So it was no revenge it was just mob mentality in any case no matter the reason it was wrong

5 and 6)Now this depends on how you look at it.definitely not an accusation as per me

He was loyal to Dury and stood by his loyalty even if it meant risking his life and all the pleasure he could have gotten had he accepted kunti and krishna ji offer

He rejected all the pleasures and choose death to stand by a friend

He tried to to justice to all to the mother who abandoned him and to the friend who supported him.To Dury by actually fighting the war on his side refusing to side with his brother's and trying to kill Arjuna for him

His mother by sparing the life of her 4 son's

So in short things he should be accused of as per me

1)Passive involvement in lakshagarh plot (as long as pandvas are also accused of the same)

2)Harsh words to elder's at times

3)His involvement in dice hall incident

4)Encouraging Dury to make panadavs jealous when they were in exile.Kicking a person when he is down is really not right

5)If Dury was allowed to accuse in DK then i think Dury should have accused him of hiding his true identity from Dury once he came to know of it.This would have been an interesting accusation

Originally posted by: .Sanskruti

he can be confusing for ppl I dnt really mind that!!
😆

I wish I had Kevin MaGrath's analysis nd could quote it now

Originally posted by: ThePirateKing

I understand this thread is about MB. There was a blog which looked at Ramayana from a non-divine view. For whatever its worth

http://kalchiron.blogspot.in/2011/04/political-genius-of-sri-rama-part-1.html

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Sadhana

100% correct about KK and Indra. Quite clever and quick thinking of Karna to at least ask for something in return when Indra used his virtue against him. Nothing wrong in that. And yes, Arjun is forever maligned because of that😆

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Which part do you want? I have it with me.