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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP

😆 Someone kill me now. I am going to support Karna in this. But being an elder does not automatically make you right or worthy of respect. In fact, wasn't that the problem in the DS? The elders and so called betters clinging to their version of 'subtle' morality?

why should we kill u..we want u alive for debates/discussions...and am fine reading all those interesting comments..
btw was it karans turn for the chitragupts court😕
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

@indianprincess - as far as I remember, Dhritarashtra himself was against Dice game. Vidura also equally opposed. Dury did not consult anyone else than these two before fixing the game, not even his best friend Karna. So there was no need for Drona, Kripa etc to comment on it when they were not asked. Dhritarshtra was evidently against the game. But when Dury threatened him with doing suicide, the blind father gave his half minded consent. Vidura was reluctant to go IP & invite Ps but had to do it finally as it was an order. All other characters except Shakuni are seen only in DS, never in any stage of planning.


Yes infact Vidura even tells Yudi not to agree to the dice game

Infact even Yudi knew the evils of dice game and was unwilling to play it but said yes because of his vow

My point being dice game was considered as evil even in those days

"Yudhishthira said,--'O Kshatta, if we sit to a match at dice, we may quarrel. What man is there, who knowing all this, will consent to gamble? What dost thou think fit for us? We all are obedient to thy counsels.'

"Vidura said,--'I know that gambling is the root of misery, and I strove to dissuade the king from it. The king, however, hath sent me to thee. Having known all this, O learned one, do what is beneficial.

"Yudhishthira said,--'Besides the sons of Dhritarashtra what other dishonest gamblers are there ready for play? Tell us, O Vidura, who they are and with whom we shall have to play, staking hundreds upon hundreds of our possessions.'

"Vidura said,--'O monarch, Sakuni, the king of Gandhara, an adept at

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dice, having great skill of hand and desperate in stakes, Vivingati, king Chitrasena, Satyavrata, Purumitra and Jaya, these, O king, are there.'

"Yudhishthira said,--'It would seem then that some of the most desperate and terrible gamblers always depending upon deceit are there. This whole universe, however, is at the will of its Maker, under the control of fate. It is not free. O learned one, I do not desire, at the command of king Dhritarashtra to engage myself in gambling. The father always wisheth to benefit his son. Thou art our master, O Vidura. Tell me what is proper for us. Unwilling as I am to gamble, I will not do so, if the wicked Sakuni doth not summon me to it in the Sabha? If, however, he challengeth me, I will never refuse. For that, as settled, is my eternal vow."


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

@Brishti - thanks for the advise. I must tell I was a great Karna hater until I read original MB.


I guess you said earlier you only read the parts wgere Karna was mentioned. If you have read the whole epic then no problem with that.
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Posted: 10 years ago
am impressed we have a lot gyanis in this threaD👏
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Posted: 10 years ago
well if nt human then what Karna ws considered to b so long??😲😆
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Urmila11


And he deserves blame both for disagreeing to wage war and later for waging war 😆 very interesting! In Van parva, Udyoga parva he is blamed for trying to stop war... oh how dare he not want to take revenge on them who assaulted his wife? Ok fine. But then, after war, people again raise their finger to the same man. How dare he cause such a mass destruction? It's a double edged sword. He should always be blamed, because people have decided to blame him no matter what!


personally I dont blame him for disagreeing to wage war .I dont blame any one who was pro war since i understand their POV but i also understand Yudi's POV as well.He was king had greator things to think about.

Vyasa had already told him that if even if there is such a war it will cause a lot of destruction which Vyasa clarifies to Dhritrashtra in the end.

It is for this reason that Yudi didnt want to wage war in the first place

This is conversation between Vyasa and Dhrit

e. I also spoke of it to king Yudhishthira the just on the occasion of his foremost of sacrifices, the rajasuya. When I secretly informed him of all this, Dharma's son endeavoured his best for preserving peace with the Kauravas. That, however, which is ordained by the gods proved too powerful (to be frustrated by him)


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: .Sanskruti

well if nt human then what Karna ws considered to b so long??😲😆

a thoroghly confused and confusing soul.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Arijit bhai
Agree on Karna

Sabhayata
Actually agree he was not to be blamed for trying to avoid war or then fighting war. But that statement about 'thinking of greater things' is a bit rich as it is about someone who thought nothing of wagering the citizens, their livelihood, the women and children, his brother and his wife just to indulge his own vice (of gambling or maintain his personal honor of never breaking vow no matter who gets assaulted). So he can blamed for CAUSING the war. And where was his thinking about greater things when he was in the dice hall? Yudhi was not the one who had morality right, in that family. He was not the one thinking about greater things either.

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar


I guess you said earlier you only read the parts wgere Karna was mentioned. If you have read the whole epic then no problem with that.

That only meant I concentrated more on events only related to Karna. I know the story in general but have not gone to the minutest detais of it as I did in Karna's case. Regarding Karna, it was a big neccessity for me, when I was a Karna hater, to know all minute details of him as I was in a state of having no answer to some questions of Karna lovers. So naturally I had to read the book thoroughly & by reading repeatedly, I happened to like him. Thats all.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: .Reshama.

am impressed we have a lot gyanis in this threaD👏

You forgot to add A before 'gyanis'.😉

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