Dharmakshetra :) - Page 54

Karna has a story of lost possibilties.

Originally posted by: Urmila11

Problem is not for the meaning of word 'daana'. Problem is: in MB itself some beautiful definitions of daana is given by people like Krishna and Yudhi. It should be found whether their theory of true daana matches with Karna's daana or not. I am neither Krishna nor Yudhi to claim those theories as mine. But yes, their definitions of daana seems more logical for me than any dictionary or internet.

I dnt deny the definations of daan u posted mayb its right nd morally correct as they r mentioned in the epic, bt the things I posted is nt ny random mocking FB posts claiming in favour of certain fan group its by scholars nd high professors author gives link to everything he says if u check few words r hyperlinked!! If u search on Boloji u will find even more that nd such things jst cant be ignored as we r dissecting the epic if I m right!!!

One thing I seriously dislike about what people propogate about Karna is his mahaan-bechara-daanveer image. I do remember once I was left almost lifeless for saying that. But, let anything come. As long as Daana is a give & take policy, I never wish to see Karna as a fool who lost something that protected his life & stood like a dumbo loser there.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

One thing I seriously dislike about what people propogate about Karna is his mahaan-bechara-daanveer image. I do remember once I was left almost lifeless for saying that. But, let anything come. As long as Daana is a give & take policy, I never wish to see Karna as a fool who lost something that protected his life & stood like a dumbo loser there.

exactly!!

Vaisampayana continued, "When the illustrious slayer of Paka refused to ask for any other boon, Kama with a smile again addressed him, saying, 'O god of gods, even before this, I had recognised thee, O Lord! O Sakra, it is not proper for me to confer on thee any unprofitable boon, for thou art the very lord of the celestials! On the contrary, being as thou art the Creator and lord of all beings, it is thou that shouldst confer boons on me! If, O god, I give thee this coat of mail and ear-rings, then I am sure to meet with destruction, and thou shalt also undergo ridicule! Therefore, O Sakra, take my earrings and excellent mail in exchange for something conferred by thee on me! Otherwise, I will not bestow them on thee!' Thereupon Sakra replied, 'Even before I had come to thee, Surya had known of my purpose and without doubt,it is he that hath unfolded everything unto thee! O Karna, be it as thou wishest! O son, except the thunder-bolt alone, tell me what it is that thou desirest to have!'"

He ws clever here nd did the right thing at right time!! plus evidence to whatever Online writers write is bcoz the study something nd nt jst personal belief!!!!😊

quotes frm KMG😛

still, it wasn't a daan, it was a trade, a vyavsaya.

Originally posted by: Urmila11

And he deserves blame both for disagreeing to wage war and later for waging war 😆 very interesting! In Van parva, Udyoga parva he is blamed for trying to stop war... oh how dare he not want to take revenge on them who assaulted his wife? Ok fine. But then, after war, people again raise their finger to the same man. How dare he cause such a mass destruction? It's a double edged sword. He should always be blamed, because people have decided to blame him no matter what!

@ indian princess . arjiit and urmila

the reason why Yudi is blamed is because of one thing only - EXPECTATION !
u know the dumbledore's dialogue fits for him - "I make mistakes like the next man. In fact, being--forgive me--rather cleverer than most men, my mistakes tend to be correspondingly huger. "

we expect a Dharmaraj to know when to abandon the cloak of dharma to save a women, instead of being a slave to it allow the biggest adharm to happen under its protection (its what Krishna says he would have done - he would not wait and think about subtleties of morality here)

we expect an Emperor to know the minds of his enemies when the invitation for dyuta comes the second time and put the welfare of his ctizens and his family and decline it politely rather than uphelding his vow (of not refusing anyhting) and breaking the one a King takes on coronation to protect his citizens and treat them like his children!!

we expect a Elder brother who is given a status almost of a father to shut his younger oversmart brother with an order when he knows it to be a solution to their current problem

its easy to accept cruelties/harshness in words or actions by your enemies because you know their nature but its cuts you deep frozen and leaves you embittered when the same is done by a person you respect/love - why?? -because you dont expect it from them!!!

KMG is quite contradictory on the Kavach-Kundal daan scene. Below is the citation which says Indra gave Karna Vasavi because he was impressed by him.

"..Indra in the guise of a Brahmana. And the chief of the celestials accepted the gift and was exceedingly gratified with Karna's liberality. He therefore, gave unto him a fine dart, saying, 'That one (and one only) among the celestials, the Asuras, men, the Gandharvas, the Nagas, and the Rakshasas, whom thou desirest to conquer, shall be certainly slain with this dart..."

This cannot be denied as well since this is also present in KMG. You cannot deny one part of KMG while simultaneously basing your arguments on another.

Since I keep quoting the Mallu version, I thought I would post the link. There are a few interesting variations

Originally posted by: Arijit007

still, it wasn't a daan, it was a trade, a vyavsaya.

No offense meant bt I dnt see it as a Business deal as how it can b a business where there is no profit? plus KK wasn't an exchange for Shakti that too on so many Terms & Conditions!! plus isn't it wrong to expect a Daanveer nature in that scene where the person in front of u has come to make u vulnerable nd most important in order bcoz he ws worried 4 his Bio child who is ur biggest rival?? that ws even more a brilliant game of minds where a person plays on ur nature to make u vulnerable and the other person shows his presence of mind nd does a clever move by nt letting it happen completely!! Plus Karna wasn't a Daanveer bcoz Indra asked him KK nd he did a KK daan but Indra asked him KK bcoz he was a Daanveer!! The topic is really dragged extra nd if its done more its better for me to take out my Science book nd practice someting as reading statements with supported theories is far much better then reading any personal opinions nd getting into conflicts plus it would help me in my boards next year😛