Dharmakshetra :) - Page 52

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Originally posted by: amritat

As much as I love Ardi...I too feel that MAYBE Draupadi was only Yudisthir's wife...not sure though.
That also explains y the other Pandavas, except Bhima were not very vocal during her Vastraharan.

When Jaydrath comes to Draupadi, she talks only of Yudisthir's absence...not of her other husbands.
She mainly lashes out at Yudisthir...n she also releases Yudisthir first during Dyut Sabha(maybe bcoz he was the King).

If we consider Draupadi as Yudi's wife alone then many things cant be explained.

It raises more questions than it answers

1)Her relationship with Bhima just cant be explained
Her entire conversation with Bhima in kichaka vadha parva,her going to Bima in the first place in kichaka vadha parva cant be explained

Her going to Bhima to ask him to go after Ashwathma because he had killed her son's even though Yudi had asked her to let it go cant be explained

The intimate moments Bima and Drau share after Bhima rescues her from Upa keechakas just cant be explained


2)Her yearning for Arjuna juts cant be explained

Her openly accepting during exile that Arjuna's absence hurts her more that what Dushy said to her in DS cant be explained

Her conversation with Arjuna after his marriage with Subhi just cant be explained

3)The whole Drau and satymabha conversation cant be explained since it begings only with Satyabhama appreciating Drau on her rleationship wth her 5 husbands


Of course if we consider all these just to be interpolations or later additions then its different issue.But if we go by texts that we have available the undoubtedly she was five of all pandavas

Originally posted by: ThePirateKing

The question to be asked is whether Indra gave the Shakti of his own accord impressed by Karna or did Karna ask for it?

If Karna asked for it then KK daan is not a daan, despite the effort and pain that Karna would have gone through in tearing a piece of his body.

I was nt here for the debate as I haven't read the epic completely!, I jst came across a blog so posted the question!! the blog stated that Surya dev came to Karna nd told about Indras plan the in much of the duo talking Karna said atleast 4 to 5 times that he would do KK daan despite ny matter(summarizing those citations)!! then Suryadev asked him to ask Shakti if he ws so determined nd vanished immediately w/o his reply!! So maybe he go bcoz he didn't want Karna to refuse(my theory nt written on the blog!)

Sabhayata

Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

Yes and that was the most important part of the war..killing the ones who were the biggest threats.. What I said few pages back was he was reluctant to fight and was not interested,, he did not give his full mind and dedication in Kurukshetra... Even after Geeta Gyan.

Brishti what i am saying is that he was the same after Abhi vadh as he was after geeta gyan

After Geeta Gyan also he was unwilling to kill those he respected and even after Abhi vadh he was unwilling to kill those whom he respected like Drona

Other than hat he was very good in war since day 1

My point being after Abhi vadh he didnt become different than what he was before.As far as others are considered he was a lethal warrior since day 1

Originally posted by: ThePirateKing

The question to be asked is whether Indra gave the Shakti of his own accord impressed by Karna or did Karna ask for it?

If Karna asked for it then KK daan is not a daan, despite the effort and pain that Karna would have gone through in tearing a piece of his body.

There are two versions of this. However, in both versions, it is Indra who asks Karna to ask him anything he wanted because Indra could not go without giving anything whenever he met a human. In one version, he gives Vasavi & Karna accepts it and in another he makes Karna beautiful by vanishing all marks of cutting his armour.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

No Sanzi.

Thanks for the clarification u always cum to my rescue regarding MB doubts🤗 r these blogs so misleading😕 I e1 built up a teory regarding Karnas Danveerness questioning in asking Shakti😉😆
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Originally posted by: .Sanskruti

waise somewhere I read ki Surya dev allowed Karna to do KK daan on the condition that he will ask Shakti frm Indra is this true?????

Yes, it is true. Here is the citation from KMG (Vana Pava):

"Surya said, 'If O son, thou givest away thy ear-rings to the wielder of the thunder-bolt, O thou of mighty strength, thou shouldst also, for the purpose of securing victory, speak unto him, saying,--O thou of a hundred sacrifices, I shall give thee ear-rings under a condition."Furnished with the ear-rings, thou art certainly incapable of being slain by any being. Therefore, it is, O son, that desirous of beholding thee slain in battle by Arjuna, the destroyer of the Danavas desireth to deprive thee of thy ear-rings. Repeatedly adoring with truthful words that lord of the celestials, viz., Purandara armed with weapons incapable of being frustrated, do thou also beseech him, saying, 'Give me an infallible dart capable of slaying all foes, and I will, O thousand-eyed deity, give the ear-rings with the excellent coat of mail!' On this condition shouldst thou give the ear-rings unto Sakra. With that dart, O Karna, thou wilt slay foes in battle: for, O mighty-armed one, that dart of the chief of the celestials doth not return to the hand that hurleth it, without slaying enemies by hundreds and by thousands!'"

And this is what Karna did actually (from KMG):

Vaisampayana continued, "When the illustrious slayer of Paka refused to ask for any other boon, Karna, with a smile again addressed him, saying, 'O god of gods, even before this, I had recognised thee, O Lord! O Sakra, it is not proper for me to confer on thee any unprofitable boon, for thou art the very lord of the celestials! On the contrary, being as thou art the Creator and lord of all beings, it is thou that shouldst confer boons on me! If, O god, I give thee this coat of mail and ear-rings, then I am sure to meet with destruction, and thou shalt also undergo ridicule! Therefore, O Sakra, take my earrings and excellent mail in exchange for something conferred by thee on me! Otherwise, I will not bestow them on thee!' Thereupon Sakra replied, 'Even before I had come to thee, Surya had known of my purpose and without doubt, it is he that hath unfolded everything unto thee! O Karna, be it as thou wishest! O son, except the thunder-bolt alone, tell me what it is that thou desirest to have!'"

so, karna wasn't a "daan-veer" after all, kk daan wasn't a daan, because karna asked for the shakti astra for his kavach kundal.

Originally posted by: Arijit007

so, karna wasn't a "daan-veer" after all, kk daan wasn't a daan, because karna asked for the shakti astra for his kavach kundal.

He took his vow of charity just after Duri's Vaishnava sacrifice while Pandavas were in exile, that's too to kill Arjun in war. His words were like this (from KMG):

Then spake Karna unto him, saying, 'Hear me, O elephant among kings! So long as I do not slay Arjuna, I shall not allow any one to wash my feet, nor shall I taste meat. And I shall observe the Asura vow and whoever may solicit me (for any thing), I never shall say, 'I have it not.'

So vow of charity was associated with selfish intention of killing an enemy. His words clearly shows me that if he could kill Arjun then he would have left his charity after that. Geeta clearly says this daan is tamasik daan, not satvik. Yaksha prashna's answer too speaks the same. So this 'daan' cannot be respected IMHO.