Dharmakshetra :) - Page 48

Originally posted by: AnuMP

@Brishti

At that point he may not have felt that for Panchali. But in DS, he clearly speaks against Yudhi. And after UpaKeechak's death he is clearly hurt when Panchali taunts him. I believe tables turned by then 😆

And what you said about not wanting to disobey Vasa makes him sort of mindless.

@Indianprincess

If Pandavas had accepted Karna, he would have suffered a convenient accident more likely 😆

Originally posted by: indianprincess

Now winning HP is concerned, AFAIK dyut was the fav pastime of raja maharajas, winning kingdoms and wealth through dyut was not considered bad. Dyut was a respectable game among royals and was played for winning kingdom and wealth only. so yudi was not wrong here.

Not bad? There is an entire hymn dedicated to how bad is dice game, the consequences of Dice game & why the wise should never play dice, in Rig Veda. One will be foolish to consider Yudhishthira never learned Rig Veda.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Not bad? There is an entire hymn dedicated to how bad is dice game, the consequences of Dice game & why the wise should never play dice, in Rig Veda. One will be foolish to consider Yudhishthira never learned Rig Veda.

Originally posted by: indianprincess

I said as far as my knowledge goes, I don't have knowledge of vedas so don't know whats written in them.

if it was really bad /adharm to play dice, how come the rigid kuru elders, religious brahmins like drone and kripa didn't object to it? the pandavas were specially invited to play dice by duri right?

Originally posted by: indianprincess

Anu, my fav characters of the epic are govind and panchali. From the very beginning i have a deep respect for yudi. the thing is i kinda get irritated that ppl (fans of other characters) in order to justify the wrongdoings of their favs shift the entire blame on yudi.

It has become a fashion nowadays to blame yudi and then panchali for the crimes they didn't even do.

I agree he did do some mistakes which unknowingly affected others but he wasn't an evil minded bad person that some ppl make him out to be.whatever be the case he always wanted everybody's happiness and welfare even that of his enemies. The same can't be said about some other characters of the epic who have gone out of the way to harm others ,nonetheless if they can be forgiven and sympathised why not yudi.

Today panchali has many speakers for her, I'm happy abt it. But yudi is unnecessarily bashed and hated and heavily misunderstood hence I'm speaking for him.

First thing that a Yudhi admirer probably must know is not to categorise people based on what they like. I believe that Yudhi was NOT such a cheap person who used to do that. Except for a few instances, he was almost neutral.
About flaws, every character has own set. So no one needs to throw mud on another character to hide flows of his fav. Everyone knows what all these people did. Sometimes people don't want to understand what actual truth is. Will anyone agree with me if I say I like Arjuna as much as I like Karna? No. Why? Because for them, one has to hate one to like another & we cannot change such mentality. So better not to try proving anything. You can wake up a sleeping person, not the one who pretends.
As far as Yudhi's mistakes are concerned, he did something in DS which he was not supposed to do as a king. And there is nothing in entire MB to disprove it. That is a fact you or I cannot change. If there are enough evidences (internal ones are enough) that disproves what he did, I don't mind supprting him.

Originally posted by: indianprincess

Anu, my fav characters of the epic are govind and panchali. From the very beginning i have a deep respect for yudi. the thing is i kinda get irritated that ppl (fans of other characters) in order to justify the wrongdoings of their favs shift the entire blame on yudi.

It has become a fashion nowadays to blame yudi and then panchali for the crimes they didn't even do.

I agree he did do some mistakes which unknowingly affected others but he wasn't an evil minded bad person that some ppl make him out to be.whatever be the case he always wanted everybody's happiness and welfare even that of his enemies. The same can't be said about some other characters of the epic who have gone out of the way to harm others ,nonetheless if they can be forgiven and sympathised why not yudi.

Today panchali has many speakers for her, I'm happy abt it. But yudi is unnecessarily bashed and hated and heavily misunderstood hence I'm speaking for him.

I agree with you. I too am a Krishna fan mainly (or I should say, a devotee) and I love Pandav-Panchali as great Krishna-lovers. But nowadays Yudhi is so helpless in modern novels and social networking sites that I had to take pen in my hand to save his honour. It pains me that whoever starts to write anything on MB, starts Yudhi bashing first. In a modern novel, Yudhi is even worse than Keechak. I was so shocked to read that! Today even Ashwatthama is forgiven, Karna is forgiven for their 'one day' mistake. Then why can we not forgive a basically noble person for his one day mistake? Why this discrimination? I find this unfair. I'm sure Panchali is not happy to see her beloved lord's condition in kaliyugi people's mind. I know she forgave him. Love can forgive. We cannot because we don't love him.
as for Panchali's statement after sons' death, I have two reasons. First of all, she was then completely overwhelmed with extreme grief, words uttered at such condition cannot be taken as a big proof IMO. Secondly, it can be explained spiritually. She was not blaming her husband, rather she was blaming Dharma himself for taking such a high cost from her life (just like she blamed God in exile). I believe she had Maadhurya bhaava in general which makes her so sweet and adorable at least for me. Maadhurya bhaava allowed her even to utter those words to Krishna in exile and Udyoga parva. The same bhaav she also had for Pandavas too. This is her beauty. Of course she deeply loved Pandavas. You know her words in Virat parva where she is almost crying to think Pandavas in slavery. This is a sweet love. Radha too had Maadhurya bhaav for Krishna, and used to scold Krishna sometimes. Then what should we conclude, Radha did not love Krishna? I don't think so.

@indianprincess - as far as I remember, Dhritarashtra himself was against Dice game. Vidura also equally opposed. Dury did not consult anyone else than these two before fixing the game, not even his best friend Karna. So there was no need for Drona, Kripa etc to comment on it when they were not asked. Dhritarshtra was evidently against the game. But when Dury threatened him with doing suicide, the blind father gave his half minded consent. Vidura was reluctant to go IP & invite Ps but had to do it finally as it was an order. All other characters except Shakuni are seen only in DS, never in any stage of planning.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

First thing that a Yudhi admirer probably must know is not to categorise people based on what they like. I believe that Yudhi was NOT such a cheap person who used to do that. Except for a few instances, he was almost neutral.
About flaws, every character has own set. So no one needs to throw mud on another character to hide flows of his fav. Everyone knows what all these people did. Sometimes people don't want to understand what actual truth is. Will anyone agree with me if I say I like Arjuna as much as I like Karna? No. Why? Because for them, one has to hate one to like another & we cannot change such mentality. So better not to try proving anything. You can wake up a sleeping person, not the one who pretends.
As far as Yudhi's mistakes are concerned, he did something in DS which he was not supposed to do as a king. And there is nothing in entire MB to disprove it. That is a fact you or I cannot change. If there are enough evidences (internal ones are enough) that disproves what he did, I don't mind supprting him.

Dear indian princess

In dyut sabha yudhi was the linchpin, if the linchpin falls then everything topples its called as domino effect. So max culpability is on linchpin

If anyone brings in ds yudhi will get bashed.

We were discussing his actions post swayamvar. But digressed to dyut sabha.

Originally posted by: Urmila11

I agree with you. I too am a Krishna fan mainly (or I should say, a devotee) and I love Pandav-Panchali as great Krishna-lovers. But nowadays Yudhi is so helpless in modern novels and social networking sites that I had to take pen in my hand to save his honour. It pains me that whoever starts to write anything on MB, starts Yudhi bashing first. In a modern novel, Yudhi is even worse than Keechak. I was so shocked to read that! Today even Ashwatthama is forgiven, Karna is forgiven for their 'one day' mistake. Then why can we not forgive a basically noble person for his one day mistake? Why this discrimination? I find this unfair. I'm sure Panchali is not happy to see her beloved lord's condition in kaliyugi people's mind. I know she forgave him. Love can forgive. We cannot because we don't love him.
as for Panchali's statement after sons' death, I have two reasons. First of all, she was then completely overwhelmed with extreme grief, words uttered at such condition cannot be taken as a big proof IMO. Secondly, it can be explained spiritually. She was not blaming her husband, rather she was blaming Dharma himself for taking such a high cost from her life (just like she blamed God in exile). I believe she had Maadhurya bhaava in general which makes her so sweet and adorable at least for me. Maadhurya bhaava allowed her even to utter those words to Krishna in exile and Udyoga parva. The same bhaav she also had for Pandavas too. This is her beauty. Of course she deeply loved Pandavas. You know her words in Virat parva where she is almost crying to think Pandavas in slavery. This is a sweet love. Radha too had Maadhurya bhaav for Krishna, and used to scold Krishna sometimes. Then what should we conclude, Radha did not love Krishna? I don't think so.