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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#451

Nowhere is it written that she was happy either. Am not saying she was unhappy, just that we don't know enough to claim she was or that she accepted either. So no, I don't have to conclude that. In fact there are at least 2 versions that either say outright it suggest that she was married to only Yudhi. How do we know that the popular version was what Vyasa wrote? Even if it was in Sanskrit, it was handed down orally for millenia before getting written down. So how do we know that the Indo version or the Tamil version is not the least adulterated? We dont.

Even after she has had a lot of time to think about it, Panchali tears a strip off Yudhi in Vana parva and blames him for the deaths after the war.

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Chiillii

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Posted: 10 years ago

#452

I agree with anu.

Draupadi was never one accept anything as simply fate, if that was the case then she would have accepted DS/VH as fate too. Also in her own swayamvar she intervenes and stops Karna, (as per some versions) if she believed in fate she would have kept quiet. She was happy in a. Polyandry because of her own good nature and ability to turn a negative situation into a positive one

Agreed that DS was not a time when she could have kept quiet, but when she stops Karna because she does not want to marry inferior in front all the kings of aryavarta, how come in a potters hut she does not question an ordinary Brahmins decision to share her with brothers

And I am not questioning shivas boon or polyandry here, none of us are as she would have happily accepted that as that was the result of her own hard penance

We are questioning Kunti, Arjun Nd yudhi actions post swayamvar and its justification. Why did Kunti hav to knowingly lie and dharmaraj why didn't he simply state the truth like he always does that she has shivas boon. Even to drupad he says moms order, not shivas boon. Only vyasa tells drupad about shivas boon

When such a good reason is given by vyasa which everyone can happily accept, the question that I and bhas and anu have is why did Kunti lie and yudhi covered up, we are not questioning the polyandry

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Bhaskari

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Posted: 10 years ago

#453

thanks adishakti for clearly stating what we want to say.

@indianprincess
very simple questions

why yudi & co did not tell panchali outright of what vyasa had told them - previous lives / boon from shiva??

better yet why vyasa couldnt tell it to her also while at drupad's palace???

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Semanti Chakraborty

@DharmaPriyaa

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Posted: 10 years ago

#454

Well, what if they actually told her later (after decision is made) about the boon? We know she slept happily near their feet so I guess in the meantime she was told everything they had heard. That explains her acceptance which is clear in serving food and sleeping happily.
Now you will ask why so much 'drama' by Kunti, Yudhi, Arjun then. Well I have an answer. I think none of them had Vyasa's words in mind at that time, be it out of excitation or anything else like Kunti's word puzzle. Later we see Yudhi remembering Vyasa's words, that tells me even he forgot it. If he could remember it moments before then he could not ask Arjun to marry her. After seeing other's expressions he suddenly recalled it and followed it. But I see no reason of hiding it from her as they remembered it. Certainly Yudhi would have told the same to his mother and brothers too, and she could hear as well, as the hut was not very big.

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Chiillii

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Posted: 10 years ago

#455

Dear urmila

Excitation could be at the swayamvar when all of them first saw Draupadi or when Arjuna wins the contest defeating all the Kings, agreed that it was a big deal for them to be excited about

After that yudhi came home with naakul and sahadeva, so if they were still excited about Draupadi and Arjuna winning why didn't they tell Kunti all about it, in which case she would be waiting to welcome her Draupadi with due rituals with same excitement and happiness. But when Arjuna and bhima reach they are all calm, Kunti is cooking meals as if it's just another day

Let's assume yudhi does not tell anything to Kunti. Or in excitement forget to tell her. But why doesn't Kunti ask what happened, she knows they went for swayamvar and why, shouldn't she be curios to know what happened. How can she make the statement share the alms, when she knows they went for winning the swayamvar not asking for bhiksha.

Yudhi and brothers had reason for excitement, they had seen Draupadi. They had seen Arjun winning when no one else did.

Kunti had no reason to be excited unless she was also told what happened, if she was told then she should have waited with arti for Draupadi not with he back to the door.

If she was not told then how could she forget vyasa words as she has no reason to be excited

Why did she make the statement to share when she could have reminded her sons and told Draupadi about vyasa words

She herself was a woman, she would have understood how Draupadi would feel by her statement, yet she makes it, why...

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Semanti Chakraborty

@DharmaPriyaa

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Posted: 10 years ago

#456

@Adishakti
Yudhi, Nakul, Sahadev did not return home from swayamvar arena. They were waiting on midway. Because it's clearly written that Kunti was worrying about her sons as they were late that day to return with alms. If YNS returned to hut then why this worry?
And Kunti was feeling guilty after uttering those words. She told Yudhi, "do something so that my words do not become untrue, and this girl too remains free from sin." Kunti did not want to harm Draupadi. It is also written that Yudhi had to console mother before asking Arjun to marry Drau. So Kunti was overwhelmed with guilt IMO.

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#457

@Adishakti 2 possibilties.

1) They thought Panchali would be more likely to believe what she actually heard instead of a Shiva boon story she had no way of verifying

2) One of the stories is a later interpolation. Am inclined to believe the Vyasa story. The Kunti bit seems placed there to remove blame from the brothers.

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Chiillii

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Dear urmila

Seems likely that yudhi and Twins left early and waited midway instead of reaching home, so Kunti could have made a mistake

But when they meet drupad next day, they already remember vyasa story, why doesn't yudhi tell him, Only vyasa happens to arrive coincidentally and then he convinces drupad. Don't tell me yudhi did not get the chance, he could tell about my moms order, give other examples of polyandry but not this

I like anu second possibility better that this story could be later interpolation.

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Chiillii

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Posted: 10 years ago

#459

Dear all if you don't mind pls clarify my second question about pandava Draupadi relationship,

After pandavas settle down in khandavprastha, Narada visits them and asks them to have a rule. I had always heard that the rule was Draupadi will spend a year with one brother at a time, and if during that time if another brother walks in when they are intimate he has to go for a 12 year exile. common explanation is to establish paternity of children and avoid jealousy.

I rad kMG the one year rule is not mentioned anywhere, only that they decide when she is intimate with one brother, if another one sees them has to go for 12 year exile to avoid jealousy. Nothing is mentioned about paternity of children also

Is there another version which mentions this, or is it an extrapolation. I am posting the citation about the rule below

"Vaisampayana continued, 'The illustrious Pandavas, thus addressed by the great Rishi Narada, consulting with one another, established a rule amongst themselves in the presence of the celestial Rishi himself endued with immeasurable energy. And the rule they made was that when one of them would be sitting with Draupadi, any of the other four who would see that one thus must retire into the forest for twelve years, passing his days as a Brahmacharin. After the virtuous Pandavas had established that rule amongst themselves, the great Muni Narada, gratified with them, went to the place he wished. Thus, O Janamejaya, did the Pandavas urged by Narada, established a rule amongst themselves in regard to their common wife. And it was for this, O Bharata, that no dispute ever arose between them.'"

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mahalaxmi-sita

@mahalaxmi-sita

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: AnuMP
Nowhere is it written that she was happy either. Am not saying she was unhappy, just that we don't know enough to claim she was or that she accepted either. So no, I don't have to conclude that. In fact there are at least 2 versions that either say outright it suggest that she was married to only Yudhi. How do we know that the popular version was what Vyasa wrote? Even if it was in Sanskrit, it was handed down orally for millenia before getting written down. So how do we know that the Indo version or the Tamil version is not the least adulterated? We dont.
Even after she has had a lot of time to think about it, Panchali tears a strip off Yudhi in Vana parva and blames him for the deaths after the war.

Exactly, if it is nowhere written that she was unhappy then she obviously was not, if otherwise vyasa would have indicated since she was his main heroine.

but there are many occasions where she talks about love for her husbands. Before jaydrath she describes each p so beautifully.

The scolding that she gave yudi in vana parva was difference of opinion between a husband and wife not a polyandrous wife crying over her " phuti kismat".

blaming after the war was again a mother's heart speaking out for her dead sons nothing to do with polyandry.

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