Pray for long life of husband, but dont act. What a rule.

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So we have a rule for Rajput wife. When duel is happening she is not supposed to witness it. Rather she should pray for the victory of her husband. And if the news comes her husband died, she has to die before the enemy touches her.
Yes I know women of those days never used to go in battlefields. Sati was the way of Rajput women who didn't wanted to be kidnapped by enemy soldiers. They died with their husbands.
But instead of this pray and die couldn't the ladies have been equipped to deal with enemies on their own, rather than death. Couldn't they have been equipped in warfare to protect their husbands. I mean it is a known fact that many Rajput women are fierce warriors. We have Rani Lakshmi Bai as classic example.
Even today woman are told to observe fast for the longetivity of their husbands. KC fast in North, Noyambu in Tamil Nadu, Thiruvathira vrath in Kerala. All this are taken to the protection and long life of husband.
But no where we hear the girl has to be equipped with knowledge to protect her husband and family along with prayers. Noyambu which is celebrated in Tamil Nadu in remembrance of Savitiri bringing Satyavan forgets Savitir's intelligence which actually bought Sathyavan back. She was not crying and requesting Lord of Death for her husband, but with her intelligent questions actually trapping him to give her, her husband back. She reverses his destiny with her chastity and intelligence. But her intelligence is forgotten.
Same is the case with other vrath. If fast is kept husband will be saved. Though I am not against people who want to keep fast, I would always suggest along with that have some practical knowledge to protect your family.
And I am happy in precap Gayatri is breaking the rule by entering the place where the fight happens.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yes true but sadly people don't find moral n logic behind such things they just follow rituals..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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The problem that I have here is they will show us that when Rana comes under avdeshs attack Gayathri will enter and due to this distraction rnj wins.
I donot want this to happen. Like sathyabama became sarthi for Krishna if they show us Gayathri siding rnj it's different. But distracting an enemy with beauty and presence is a complete no no to me. This is how the cvs will show. No fault of rnj or Gayathri am talking here.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Chennaigirl awdhesh is gonna do some back hand work for sure. So I don't mind if he is smitten by Gayatri's beauty. Women's beauty can be used to distract enemy who is using back hand method.
Even Goddess Durga promises to marry Mahishasur who is smitten by beauty if he can defeat her. So beauty is used as a chal even by Goddess. So why not Gayatri.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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We are so much used to see meek n lamb kind of girl who protect by hero all the time n this is welcome by all in every era but when she dares to make her presence as individual she charged as guilty.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Shurthi, just watched the epis.

I liked RM's dialogues. she said the queen has to fight her own battle, meaning conquering her fear, which is the fear for her husband's safety.

RGD did try to take the talwar to save herself when she went to rescue her husband.
Her playing a chal is foreshadowed by the mirror, spoiler pic I saw.

I hope it's not deliberately tempting Avdesh and giving him some misplaced ideas to chase her.
Taht would undermine her character & RNJ's too. She is a married woman and she can't become the honey trap here by acting like Durga as in offering marriage to M.asura.



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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

Shurthi, just watched the epis.

I liked RM's dialogues. she said the queens has to fight her own battle, meaning conquering her fear, which is the fear for her husband's safety.

RGD did try to take the talwar to save herself when she went to rescue her husband.
Her playing a chal is foreshadowed by the mirror, spoiler pic I saw.

I hope it's not deliberately tempting Avdesh and giving him some misplaced ideas to chase her.
Taht would undermine her character & RNJ's too. She is a married woman and she can't become the honey trap here by acting like Durga as in offering marriage to M.asura.




I feel that we often make the mistake of judging these characters and their actions through the prism of the value systems of our own time. I am not justifying jauhar here but even today, you have cyanide capsule consuming as a tradition to escape the enemy. I would think that the tradition existed back then because the men did not want the evil eye of the enemy to fall on their womenfolk. Since wars were fought for land, gold and women, the most coveted possessions, the womenfolk embraced their deaths en masse rather than be sullied by the touch of the enemy. The concept of honour and virtue was drilled into their heads. And I would assume they voluntarily embraced the custom most often!

The custom has no validity in a modern age and hence, Swami Vivekananda's fight to uproot the tradition. With time, women have acquired education and other skills and learnt to be independent and survive in the absence of their menfolk and battle with their foes with their own skills.

It is an archaic tradition and I found it surprising that RM mentioned it. Maybe this was their nod to the period and the traditional context their story was set in.

Sim, I agree with you. Gayathri using her beauty or whatever to distract Avdesh does not go down well with me. However, it does not appear intentional. She is watching the battle from a balcony above and I think she is unable to stop herself when she sees RNJ fall. She rushes down screaming and manages to distract Avdesh. So it is pretty much happenstance. RNJ uses that lapse in concentration to his advantage and turns tables. While I would have preferred RNJ outwitting his opponent with his fighting skills, the fact remains that he did act tactically. He was not distracted by his wife's voice for a change 😆

This whole argument of how dare RNJ tell G that she cannot oppose the King's view seems specious to me. It is not even about gender. It is about a position of authority and about experience in dealing with certain situations. Like tomorrow, I would feel affronted if my husband chose to tell me how to do my job. I might take suggestions but would definitely prefer to make my own decisions. Is that right forbidden to RNJ because he is a man?

Shruthi, there were many warrior queens who were exceptions to these rules. But, in a situation, where the women themselves were coveted possessions over which wars were fought, they never entered the battlefield except in camouflage. However, not every woman is equipped to be a warrior. Not all Kings were brave warriors despite their training etc. Once again, I am not justifying the jauhar tradition but saying that I understand why it happened back then, right or wrong!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Bertie I understand the tradition. See the Rajput women dying enmasse in fire was the basis of the regressive practice of Sati where every woman had to die if her husband died, jumping in the pyre. It is said that Raja Ram Mohan Roy saw his sis-in-law getting burnt like that and when she tried to come put, people pushed the poor girl back into the pyre. That gruesome incident he witnessed in his childhood made him fight this evil practice tooth and nail and remove it. For Rajput woman that was a need, not be captured by enemy and voluntary but Sati was forced.
My post was not mostly about that era which I understood, but about this era where even today such practices continue.
And G is a married woman and I also don't endorse she intentionally giving him any signs. What I said is that if Awdhesh comes behind her, even when she is hostile and a need comes for self protection, she can use the Durga way. Play him around till he is vulnerable and then take him down. And today's epi I don't think G is using her beauty intentionally. It just happens by her coming down as she has dressed up like a bride.
And another thing. I am with you on what RNJ said. Even I don't like if my hus come and tell me this is how I should do my job or if I tell my hus this is how he should do his job. We can share, give suggestions, but cannot order each other in professional side. And RNJ is a king and she has to learn to be a Queen and not be a wife always.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: BertieWooster


I feel that we often make the mistake of judging these characters and their actions through the prism of the value systems of our own time. I am not justifying jauhar here but even today, you have cyanide capsule consuming as a tradition to escape the enemy. I would think that the tradition existed back then because the men did not want the evil eye of the enemy to fall on their womenfolk. Since wars were fought for land, gold and women, the most coveted possessions, the womenfolk embraced their deaths en masse rather than be sullied by the touch of the enemy. The concept of honour and virtue was drilled into their heads. And I would assume they voluntarily embraced the custom most often!

The custom has no validity in a modern age and hence, Swami Vivekananda's fight to uproot the tradition. With time, women have acquired education and other skills and learnt to be independent and survive in the absence of their menfolk and battle with their foes with their own skills.

It is an archaic tradition and I found it surprising that RM mentioned it. Maybe this was their nod to the period and the traditional context their story was set in.

Sim, I agree with you. Gayathri using her beauty or whatever to distract Avdesh does not go down well with me. However, it does not appear intentional. She is watching the battle from a balcony above and I think she is unable to stop herself when she sees RNJ fall. She rushes down screaming and manages to distract Avdesh. So it is pretty much happenstance. RNJ uses that lapse in concentration to his advantage and turns tables. While I would have preferred RNJ outwit his opponent with his fighting skills, the fact remains that he did act tactically. He was not distracted by his wife's voice for a change 😆

This whole argument of how dare RNJ tell G that she cannot oppose the King's view seems specious to me. It is not even about gender. It is about a position of authority and about experience in dealing with certain situations. Like tomorrow, I would feel affronted if my husband chose to tell me how to do my job. I might take suggestions but would definitely prefer to make my own decisions. Is that right forbidden to RNJ because he is a man?

Shruthi, there were many warrior queens who were exceptions to these rules. But, in a situation, where the women themselves were coveted possessions over which wars were fought, they never entered the battlefield except in camouflage. However, not every woman is equipped to be a warrior. Not all Kings were brave warriors despite their training etc. Once again, I am not justifying the jauhar tradition but saying that I understand why it happened back then, right or wrong!


Berts, i'm cool with RM's dialogue about jauhar and i think, the whole point was to make the villain more dangerous to the love story and iseemed to me as if RM had sensed his other undisclosed intention towards RGD or heard that stupid "Tum mere hao" bg of Avdesh😆

Also, women voluntarily committing suicides in those times, seems, they chose a lesser evil, being captured by the conquerors was worse than death in many ways.Even today, war crimes against women are committed more to demoralize communities.

I think, they are romanticising Avedesh's barbarous intention to make RGD his conquest.He did look at her when he said, "with interest". CVs, stop playing that stupid and inappropriate "Tum mere ho". A woman is not a possession.she is not part of any deal.

I didn't mind RNj telling off RGD. He is very clear abt the roles he plays as a husband & the King and RGD, imo, is not. During the arti , thp' RM referred to her duties as the Queen, sending off the King to battle, she acted more as a wife. Seriously, i wouldn't want to go anywhere seeing such a tensed face.I think, RNj reassured her, in his own way,tho' he was royally pissed off.

@bold- That's great.!It happened like Wilkie's thing again.Good!😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Simran we need to understand for some men, women are still property. Property to be owned. And it is 1940.
Acid attacks the worst thing that happens to a woman due to this property mentality. If you cant be mine, then you will live, but you wont be anyone else's
So CVs using it for Awdhesh I am fine. It shows his sanskaar( or rather lack of it). Yes I agree. RM understood Awdhesh's other intention that is why she gave RGD the poison.
And I guess RM has also understood who killed Yasodha. And she rightly said. Murder has happened so evidence will come. I am damn sure Koki is gonna do something foolish to hide her guilt which will land her in trouble for sure.

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