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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ Bushi 786. I completely understand that the TM is making a point and I also agree with you that the victims are not the only victims. It is also true the Goenkas are powerful people from Kolkata. But to say the friend is not so bad, I have these questions.
1. People say, she was traumatised and therefore gave a wrong statement against the person who is supposedly a saviour. My point any legal case do not go straight to the court the other day the crime has been committed, It takes time and the victim, with due respect has the time to recollect the incident. In rape cases by the way victim's statement is a powerful weapon against the accused.Besides, when one after another all the witnessess turned hostile, she choose to step down knowing Goenkas cannot be defeated. Can I assure myself that she was quite in her senses till then ?

2. He supposedly help her to run away. I understand he could not stop Shaurya or stand for Payal but when he was dragged to the court for no fault of his, he showed no signs of grievance . He quietly like a lamb follows Shaurya who has not changed at all evern after 2 years. Why doesn't he get into some serious business now instead of hovering around Shaurya ?

3.Durga knows everything because Payal lost her senses much later.As for the flashbacks, thats a blooper.Until then Payal gave all the valuable information to her including her meet with Raima. Besides, Divya is the eye- witness. When we have a eye witness and victims's statement in the same order, there is any way to say " may be "?That gives us another idea by the way, is Raima also to be considered 'Not so bad'?

4. Problem with this guy is that he gave into peer pressure He would himself never do such a thing but cannot really control himself when his friends were doing it. In such cases, punishment do not change then why should we sympathise with this guy ?


I understand the topic is sensitive and also understand the gravity of my post. I just want the justice to follow its path. No matter who is what, one must be punished for his sins. Someone( I am sorry forgot the name) gave the example of Ravan that only one head of Ravan had kidnapped sita while Lord Rama had cut all his 10 heads. Coming to think of it, Kumbhakaran did nothing actually because he was sleeping all the while, but died because he choose a wrong person to defend while VIbhishan on the other hand became immortal as he choose the right path. Another incident comes from the Mahabharata when Draupadi cursed the whole Kuru dynasty as they watched her helplessness during her chir haran. Why did she do it ? Wasn't only Duryodhan or rather Dushasan responsible for it?I have also quoted the Chanakhya niti which says criminals are to be punsihed as if they are let free they commit greater crimes.Also, a thief is a thief irrespective of the amount he has stolen.

I was totaly taken aback today to read the morning newspaper. Some politician had said that Govt cannot control rapes as the law can be executed onlu after the crime has been committed. He also said," rapes are good sometimes" Sometime back, another had said," ladko se galti ho jati hai" Then there was another person saying the victim is suppose to treat the rapist as a brother and beg for mercy.

Let us respect the surviors of this crime. For us, its entertainment and after the episode is done, its a matter of debate but those who have faced such cruelty, let them remain hopeful that criminals shall meet their fate sooner or later. just imagine the amount of pain we give them when we justify such things.That so called friend is a partner in crime and not any witness who turned hostile. Let him be that unless proven otherwise.


I do not intend to offend anyone, or any opinion but just making my point. If it hurts the sentiments of any person, actor, or any member here, I am really sorry.😊



Edited by dey.bh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#32
whateva was the reason of Payal's escape, he friend can't be proved innocent or anything, if his friend indeed was not so bad then he shouldn't have let 3 men rape her..
ps: am too lazy to flip through previous pages! 😛
Edited by ..dreamygatz.. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#33
I don't think the TM way saying that the guy was innocent. Innocent people don't really let their friends rape a girl. But I see where you're coming from. I have noticed that one friend as well, It would be an interesting twist for sure.

I'm really liking all the interesting analysis'. Makes me want to read through all the pages :)
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Posted: 11 years ago
#34
Exactly! I think that guy was in love in payal or may be he was attracted towards her but yea, he could have done something to save her.. Anways, that karan is really cruel and i hate him.. he's so lusty and evil like shaurya
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Posted: 11 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: dey.bh

@ Bushi 786. I completely understand that the TM is making a point and I also agree with you that the victims are not the only victims. It is also true the Goenkas are powerful people from Kolkata. But to say the friend is not so bad, I have these questions.

1. People say, she was traumatised and therefore gave a wrong statement against the person who is supposedly a saviour. My point any legal case do not go straight to the court the other day the crime has been committed, It takes time and the victim, with due respect has the time to recollect the incident. In rape cases by the way victim's statement is a powerful weapon against the accused.Besides, when one after another all the witnessess turned hostile, she choose to step down knowing Goenkas cannot be defeated. Can I assure myself that she was quite in her senses till then ?

2. He supposedly help her to run away. I understand he could not stop Shaurya or stand for Payal but when he was dragged to the court for no fault of his, he showed no signs of grievance . He quietly like a lamb follows Shaurya who has not changed at all evern after 2 years. Why doesn't he get into some serious business now instead of hovering around Shaurya ?

3.Durga knows everything because Payal lost her senses much later.As for the flashbacks, thats a blooper.Until then Payal gave all the valuable information to her including her meet with Raima. Besides, Divya is the eye- witness. When we have a eye witness and victims's statement in the same order, there is any way to say " may be "?That gives us another idea by the way, is Raima also to be considered 'Not so bad'?

4. Problem with this guy is that he gave into peer pressure He would himself never do such a thing but cannot really control himself when his friends were doing it. In such cases, punishment do not change then why should we sympathise with this guy ?


I understand the topic is sensitive and also understand the gravity of my post. I just want the justice to follow its path. No matter who is what, one must be punished for his sins. Someone( I am sorry forgot the name) gave the example of Ravan that only one head of Ravan had kidnapped sita while Lord Rama had cut all his 10 heads. Coming to think of it, Kumbhakaran did nothing actually because he was sleeping all the while, but died because he choose a wrong person to defend while VIbhishan on the other hand became immortal as he choose the right path. Another incident comes from the Mahabharata when Draupadi cursed the whole Kuru dynasty as they watched her helplessness during her chir haran. Why did she do it ? Wasn't only Duryodhan or rather Dushasan responsible for it?I have also quoted the Chanakhya niti which says criminals are to be punsihed as if they are let free they commit greater crimes.Also, a thief is a thief irrespective of the amount he has stolen.

I was totaly taken aback today to read the morning newspaper. Some politician had said that Govt cannot control rapes as the law can be executed onlu after the crime has been committed. He also said," rapes are good sometimes" Sometime back, another had said," ladko se galti ho jati hai" Then there was another person saying the victim is suppose to treat the rapist as a brother and beg for mercy.

Let us respect the surviors of this crime. For us, its entertainment and after the episode is done, its a matter of debate but those who have faced such cruelty, let them remain hopeful that criminals shall meet their fate sooner or later. just imagine the amount of pain we give them when we justify such things.That so called friend is a partner in crime and not any witness who turned hostile. Let him be that unless proven otherwise.


I do not intend to offend anyone, or any opinion but just making my point. If it hurts the sentiments of any person, actor, or any member here, I am really sorry.😊



I completely agree with you dear ...the four r sinners and they shoud get what they r deserved to and all the other nasty people who lied in the court and wanted to take advantage of poor Payel ...i want them to go through the same hell like those four ...
i wish in reality also rapists and those who supports them in any way in such heinous act ...should be gravely punished ...
am a bit confused that what should be the right punishment for such criminals( i feel death sentence is the right one as i dont feel a rapist has a right to live in this society) ...am waiting how this show reveals the grave punishment of each n every sinner
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Posted: 11 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: Payal25

I don't think the TM way saying that the guy was innocent. Innocent people don't really let their friends rape a girl. But I see where you're coming from. I have noticed that one friend as well, It would be an interesting twist for sure.

I'm really liking all the interesting analysis'. Makes me want to read through all the pages :)

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Precisely.
(I am enjoying the discussion as well. Some interestingand thought provoking points made by a few people)
First let me set the record straight.
I do not in any way support Shaurya or any of his friends.
I fact I abhor, HATE, Shaurya and Karan(who jumped at the chance to have sex with a helpless girl.) Shaurya disgusted me from day 1, when in the scene he was introduced he taped his sex with Avantika so that his friends could enjoy it. Treating like she was some toy or puppy to entertain them. That was even before it was concretely established (through flashbacks and his own talk ) of what a rabid animal Shaurya is.
I agree none of his friends are innocent of the crime.
Which is why I said his friend Rishi (thanks NiharikaMishra ) is NOT so BAD . I did not say he was INNOCENT. He is a COWARD. He stands with the evil incarnate Shaurya. BUT maybe he is a tad more human than Shaurya. That is what I meant. NOT so BAD does not mean GOOD or innocent, It just means NOT so BAD. Only example coming to mind now is that friend from NO One Killed Jessica.
Now, as to why I said this:

Speculations
These are just theories and speculations based on the show,
1. If there is something I have learned from watching Hindi soaps is never believe until you the viewer are shown a flashback which confirms this 😊. We are shown what DIvya witnessed. Don't know if Payal really escaped by herself or was aided by his friend.

2.
If the Show is being concrete without any loose ends, it was shown that Rishi is mostly quiet when his friends are making lewd jokes. Mostly an observer. (which makes him a coward, but not the animal that Shaurya is).

3. Seeing how Akash was revealed. (Me too had guessed he was Durga's guy), he too didn
t seem to be on board with what the Goenkas were doing, He did not seem to enjoy the dirty work. I see a similar thing in Rishi, hence the speculation.
Thats all 😊

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Posted: 11 years ago
#37
i dont think Rishi raped payal i think he is the one who let her run away n to make it look like she ran away he hit his head with vase..
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Posted: 11 years ago
#38
i think he is the one for payal..
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Posted: 11 years ago
#39
@day.bh

Again I'm not saying that his friend is completely innocent however sadly 80% of rape cases go to court on a word for word basis a lot of trials lack evidence, the impression I get from this friend of his is that he appears to be frightened of Shaurya and the Goenkas maybe he has tried to break ties but wouldn't that make the Goenkas paranoid that hel open his trap so will make sure they silence him in any way possible they clearly have no loyalty to anyone other than their inner circle, after watching the episode last night I'm more convinced now that he let payal escape maybe he told her to go but also told her to name him in the case afterall if it came out that only three out of the four actually raped her then it would take the Goenkas long to work out who judas is..he's from a rich family maybe he thought he would be able to get the best representation so asked her to name him...if he's wrong for not stopping his friends then would Divya also not be slightly wrong for staying there trying to call Nitya? She was obv not picking up and if I was in her place n my friend was in such a unfortunate position I would go running from the place screaming at the top of my lungs for help SOMEONE would have heard her to assist her AND the boys would have realised someone was coming so were more likely to make their escape sooner leaving Payal...it's easy to point fingers, something else has deffo happened in that room which will slowly be revealed I hope he is one of the good guys it would bring a nice twist coz everytime I see him in any episode it's obvious the guy is afraid of Shaurya and doesn't approve remember the time they were in the gym n Shaurya was leering at two girls working out? That same friend was with him n was clearly distgusted by shauraya behaviour also one time sakshi was speaking to rajnath and I'm sure she said about shauraya trial something along the lines off "so n so and so n sos sons were also involved why is it just my son suffering" I can't remember the family names than she said but it was clear she was only referring to two more males ...there was four there that night including Shaurya...

Agree with the majority well done to the TM for creating such an Interesting post x
Edited by Bushi786 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#40
I think maybe he didn't actually rape Payal but just went into the room. They never showed him doing anything to her. Maybe, just maybe he tried to help her and in fact let her escape?

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