Does it really count?? - Page 4

Originally posted by: indranigupta

Amulya

You say that Sumo has never confessed to him and has never ever given him hopes for the same. So, for Shravan to feel betrayed is wrong. Well, you have answered your question yourself. If Shravan had no rights upon her and he should not have felt bad about it...because Sumo had not confessed to him, then by analogy even Sumo should not have voiced that how hurt he must have felt. Why did she feel it in this manner? He also had not confessed and in fact, a day before had broken off ties of friendship with her. This question of she getting married with whomever her Nanu has chosen and which would hurt him should not have arisen...

She knew he was hurt, she knew he was distressed...why she had not confessed..neither had he. Recently, all they had done was to accuse each other and then why this recognition of the feeling of hurt in Sumo...You might say because she was a good person or she loved but Shravan didnt...But, notice her monologue...sshe never mentioned that she is hurt...she recognized that how hurt he must have been...

Lets go back to an incident when Shravan returned ten years later, why did Sumo feel that if she just mouths an apology ...she will be forgiven. Ten years her friend had stayed away from her...and she knew it was because of her silly mistake and yet she knew she would be forgiven. What gave her that confidence?

Why just by reading an old letter of Shravan (written ten years prior) she felt that he had not moved on. And hence felt emboldened to pursue certain experiments regarding the same. Not only Sumo, even a Ramnath and Chachi after having read that letter...felt Shravan's feelings were never that of a childhood infatuation.

Why did Shravan confess to his dad? Because one, he couldnt control his feelings and secondly, he knew he loved her and she loved him back. It was a confidence that made him say to his dad...yes, she loves as well. Sumo when she threw the challenge at Ramnath ..she knew he loves her...in spite of many MU between then and hence, said he will realize my love and then can you stop him

The question that you have posited actually fails to realize the equation between the two...

Is love only that which can be articulated, or is love also a concern, a feeling that you are responsible for the other's happiness?

This same Shravan came forward during Khosla case in spite of the biggest MU between (he had disregarded her very identity "Kaun Sumo") them at that point to support Nanu and Sumo ...He held their hands together...and when Sumo wanted to ask him why is he here...He said not today...

Love also means to protect the person you love from pain, from a sadness by consuming it yourself

It is not a question of one-sidedness ...its a question of a connection which in spite of ten years of absence and distance between them...they still looked at the other..They hadnt moved on...

When they had a conversation over telephone...how did Shravan know she was in pain? Why did he make her go off to sleep? And said even if a Nanu is not there...he shall be there...

At times you need to hear the silences, the pauses to gauge that love does not mean chasing, does not mean pursuing...it means to give hope, it means to make your lover fall off to sleep so that she could dream...

If Love was only a confession ...then this story should not have been made in the first place...

Love is a thread that connects, that vibrates, that resonates and brings the past alive into the present...and makes you hopeful about the future

Originally posted by: beagleboy

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

Used to know a guy like the one you described too. Kicked him to the curb too! 😆 But a very long time ago.

I agree, that guys can be very confused with what they want or how they go about getting what they want. Shravan needed to understand that Suman won't always be there, nor does she have the luxury of always being there, while he applies "Papa's suitability test" on her. His error was thinking they had all the time in the world. Didn't take into account that Suman has a family, other obligations and people she may be compelled to make sacrifices for. Namely Preeti and now Nanaji. She has a business to run and practicalities that need to be attended to.

In all this, things started to unravel badly, while Shravan was taking his time. He loves her and loves her sincerely. That part I accept wholeheartedly. Love was never the problem. It's lack of trust and lack of faith. It's fear! He wanted to show Papa that Suman was not what he was telling her she was. But in the end it appears to him that she has proven herself to be. If he had just looked at things for what it really was, instead of trying to "interpret" each thing she did, then maybe they would have had a different outcome. We know why Suman was avoiding Shravan. She was keeping her word to Ramnath. She had a reason. Shravan didn't know that. Not his fault.

His mistake was not questioning her sudden change. Instead of putting it down to ego, he should have realised there was more to it, but he didnt. Therefore, now we have a mountain instead of a molehill.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Originally posted by: beagleboy

I think the question is not if she loves him or if he loves her. Sigh! Matters of the heart are much too complex to simplify them so. Matters of the heart are deep, closed to rationality and logic, and inhabit an alternate relm, where few are courageous to tread. And so a person in love is not always rational. Is Shravan irrational when he expects that Suman waits for him (despite having broken ties with her)? Absolutely so. Is he irrational if he expects Suman to turn down Aditya (personally and professionally) on account of his friendship and unspoken love? Undoubtedly yes! But does he love her still? Unequivocally yes.

There is a rift between Shravan's body/mind and soul. His body (and his mind) bear the signs of defeat, exhaution and an inexplicable rage. His soul still stirs to the lingering fragrance of his love, so deeply entrenched that everytime he sees her, it causes his heart to pound madly and loudly like the hooves of horses galloping into vast outstretched lands. But sadly, reason and rage at being wronged take over at the best of times. He is after all a man in the grip of a destructive passion, an all consuming love. And such a man, will go on the path of destruction even if his soul pleads with him that he will get only agony from his chosen path. And with each step he takes down this path, he knows that more agony and sorrow awaits, and yet he proceeds - such is his suffering, confusion that he walks on ahead knowing he is approaching his end.

And so yes, love does exist in great measures between the two of them - A love that in good times shines through, overpowering other sources of light until nothing else remains. But equally, a love so dark that when the blanket of bad times settles upon them, it is like a lamp that when lit spreads a grey dull smoke that smothers them. The story as I see it is how they overcome this smoke and let the light through. And only their strength of character will help them and guide them.

But - does that mean that Sumo should be bound by Shravan's demons? No. Absolutely not. Each person will have to fight their own demons and walk towards truth. Love is pure and Suman cannot let the grey smoke envelope and smother her. Love is also about letting your beloved grow in the warmth and light of its presence. What Shravan is trying to do is encapsulate Suman in his love, passionate as it is, but there is not room for grown. Love is also freedom. Freedom to be the girl that he loves and not the woman he wants her to be.

Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

@TM- I think ShraMan bond can't be seen as boy friend- girl-friend or BFF lens alone.
They are more like twins. Those two lonely kids took refuge in each other during childhood as the adults around them weren't available to lend them the emotional support they needed.

IMO, Shrav's sense of betrayal, which might seem unjustified (as Sumo never confessed her love for him), is a betrayal one might feel when you learn, you've been cheated by your brother/sister. The loyalty is expected ,whether the love has ever been verbalized or not.

The "deep rishta " Sumo was talking abt in the litchen is like the one, the twins shared in God of Small things.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Lovely, Sim...

They are a parent, a friend, a lover and a sibling to each other.😳