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malikakas

@malikakas

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Posted: 9 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

The interesting point here is that it was Shravan that came and told Suman that there is "Nothing" left between them and that she has lost him for good. Now after he says that, Suman is STILL supposed to expect anything to happen between them?

My favorite character on the show is Shravan. But that does not mean I can't see when he is wrong. He has been led down the wrong path and he has been looking at everything Suman does with biased and judgmental eyes (How his Dad has taught him to do). So for that reason, he thinks Suman has failed some "Test" and went and broke all ties with her, without even telling her exactly what she has done? He insulted her in front of all her staff and she is still supposed to think everything will be fine between them? Suman knows that Shravan's Dad already dislikes her. So now that Shravan has played into his hands and broken all ties with her, what is she to do?

Her grandfather is sick and clearly very disturbed and in a highly sensitive state. She could see her agreement to marriage has made him feel better. So she agreed. What was she going to do? Tell him "I love Shravan Nanu, but he hates me, but I still won't marry anyone". I can imagine the reaction she would have received to that. She knows she can't tell her Grandfather that, because their relationship with the Malhotra's is very complicated now, with Preeti marrying into that family. End of the day, she has to be practical like TM said!

Yes, Shravan feels betrayed because he loves her. But is he justified in it? THAT is the question we are discussing. The truth is, if Suman broke ALL ties with Shravan, insulted him and called him a terrible person, and he agrees to marry someone else, then would we STILL be saying Suman is justified in feeling betrayed? A valid question to ask ourselves!

This is exactly it... This is not just a case of a love unvocalized. After Ramnath's blackmail, Suman was counting on Shravan having faith in them. But once Shravan broke off ties, what else did she have to hold on to for their relationship? Shravan in his jealousy has metaphorically and literally pushed her towards Aditya.

Its a like a self fulfilling prophecy. It actually reminds me a lot of this Pakistani drama I watched recently Shuk--- the FL in her unwarranted jealousy paved a way for it to come true.

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Mandy

@MrDarcyfan

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 9 years ago

#12

@ Mallikakas:

Yes, "Shaq" as in "Suspicion" right? We all know that lack of trust is the major killer of any relationship. If you don't trust someone and continue to make them feel you don't trust them, then one day they will walk away from you. (What happened with Ramnath and Nirmala). She left him because he didn't trust her. But who does HE blame for it? Her! It was also a self-fulfilling prophecy. In the end, what Ramnath was accusing her of is what she did. (She didn't leave him for Mr. Ahuja), but she did leave and she continued to be in her Boss's life and not in Ramnath's.

The same thing happened here too. Shravan just looked at whatever Suman did with judgemental eyes, equating each decision she made to her ego, and her independence. Then in the case of her equation with Aditya, he equated it to her being a "user". His lack of faith in her and them as an entity paved the way for someone else to get between them. There is never a space for a 3rd person in your relationship if there is no GAP between you. Only if there is a gap can someone else come and try to occupy it.

That day when Shravan walked off from Suman at the dance, Aditya came and took his place. THAT was symbolism. A symbol of what was going to happen in the future. A place he himself gave up, was taken by someone else. In such a case, one can still feel betrayed. But are you still justified in it? Because, end of the day, you took what I already cast aside. For me to expect the object that was cast away to never be picked up by anyone else is a Dog in the manger situation. I think I have a right to push someone away. But I don't think they have a right to accept anyone else after that?

Love is possessive and selfish. I get that part. We feel righteous anger even when we are in the wrong. But it still does not make us any less wrong for the choices we made, which finally led to the outcome we are seeing.

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 9 years ago

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bigddfan1

@bigddfan1

Dazzler

Posted: 9 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: --Amulya--
I know that this forum right now seems to be divided with Sumo's and Shravan's followers... I've a really conflicting question that whether Shravan's anger on Sumo is really valid?? Did she cheat him? Did she break her promise? Did she ever confess that she loves him? Did she ever really give any hint that she's gonna be only his? There's only one answer indefinitely and its a NO...

I myself suffered through the same situation which the leads pass through but I was always almost sure about my one-sided love (for my BFF) that it wouldn't culminate into a relationship. I was perfectly ok loving him by myself even though I never had any hope. I thought its just natural to love a friend when I love my family. I'm a very practical person and never had any illusions.

I'm unable to connect with Shravan while I can with Sumo as he seems to be unable to face the harsh reality while she chose to face it. He lives impractically while she seems to live practically. Her saying that she would consider Adi's alliance as an arranged marriage is a proof of it while he inspite of inhibiting the plan of hating her forever (in her mind) wants her to wait for him. Betrayal, this strong emotion wasn't in Sumo while it was in Shravan.

I do know that Shraman are the end but I'm just unable to connect with the ML character created by CV's. I'm most worried about forced-marriage now as it would just show him more impractical that his stubborn attitude would correct his life. I would love to watch the show if atleast now he decides to face the reality and uncover the truth around him... Why ain't he feeling odd when there're so many unreasonable things going on around him?? ML please use your Oxford brain.

finally, finally i am seeing a post in favour of suman

agree with all ur points

was planning to write something like this thanks for it👏👏👏

i am totally with suman

and yes she faces challenges whereas MR. shravan just know to blame otehrs and then fled

drinking wow what a soluution

he is shown as weak , brianless frustrated and egoistic person

hating his actions right now

and pls all namik fans dont get offended , pls try to understand we r blaming cvs and the character shravan

namik as an actor is doing aweosme work

i think fans so much love him that they cant find fault even in the character played by him

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indranigupta

@indranigupta

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 9 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: --Amulya--
I know that this forum right now seems to be divided with Sumo's and Shravan's followers... I've a really conflicting question that whether Shravan's anger on Sumo is really valid?? Did she cheat him? Did she break her promise? Did she ever confess that she loves him? Did she ever really give any hint that she's gonna be only his? There's only one answer indefinitely and its a NO...

I myself suffered through the same situation which the leads pass through but I was always almost sure about my one-sided love (for my BFF) that it wouldn't culminate into a relationship. I was perfectly ok loving him by myself even though I never had any hope. I thought its just natural to love a friend when I love my family. I'm a very practical person and never had any illusions.

I'm unable to connect with Shravan while I can with Sumo as he seems to be unable to face the harsh reality while she chose to face it. He lives impractically while she seems to live practically. Her saying that she would consider Adi's alliance as an arranged marriage is a proof of it while he inspite of inhibiting the plan of hating her forever (in her mind) wants her to wait for him. Betrayal, this strong emotion wasn't in Sumo while it was in Shravan.

I do know that Shraman are the end but I'm just unable to connect with the ML character created by CV's. I'm most worried about forced-marriage now as it would just show him more impractical that his stubborn attitude would correct his life. I would love to watch the show if atleast now he decides to face the reality and uncover the truth around him... Why ain't he feeling odd when there're so many unreasonable things going on around him?? ML please use your Oxford brain.

Amulya

You say that Sumo has never confessed to him and has never ever given him hopes for the same. So, for Shravan to feel betrayed is wrong. Well, you have answered your question yourself. If Shravan had no rights upon her and he should not have felt bad about it...because Sumo had not confessed to him, then by analogy even Sumo should not have voiced that how hurt he must have felt. Why did she feel it in this manner? He also had not confessed and in fact, a day before had broken off ties of friendship with her. This question of she getting married with whomever her Nanu has chosen and which would hurt him should not have arisen...

She knew he was hurt, she knew he was distressed...why she had not confessed..neither had he. Recently, all they had done was to accuse each other and then why this recognition of the feeling of hurt in Sumo...You might say because she was a good person or she loved but Shravan didnt...But, notice her monologue...sshe never mentioned that she is hurt...she recognized that how hurt he must have been...

Lets go back to an incident when Shravan returned ten years later, why did Sumo feel that if she just mouths an apology ...she will be forgiven. Ten years her friend had stayed away from her...and she knew it was because of her silly mistake and yet she knew she would be forgiven. What gave her that confidence?

Why just by reading an old letter of Shravan (written ten years prior) she felt that he had not moved on. And hence felt emboldened to pursue certain experiments regarding the same. Not only Sumo, even a Ramnath and Chachi after having read that letter...felt Shravan's feelings were never that of a childhood infatuation.

Why did Shravan confess to his dad? Because one, he couldnt control his feelings and secondly, he knew he loved her and she loved him back. It was a confidence that made him say to his dad...yes, she loves as well. Sumo when she threw the challenge at Ramnath ..she knew he loves her...in spite of many MU between then and hence, said he will realize my love and then can you stop him

The question that you have posited actually fails to realize the equation between the two...

Is love only that which can be articulated, or is love also a concern, a feeling that you are responsible for the other's happiness?

This same Shravan came forward during Khosla case in spite of the biggest MU between (he had disregarded her very identity "Kaun Sumo") them at that point to support Nanu and Sumo ...He held their hands together...and when Sumo wanted to ask him why is he here...He said not today...

Love also means to protect the person you love from pain, from a sadness by consuming it yourself

It is not a question of one-sidedness ...its a question of a connection which in spite of ten years of absence and distance between them...they still looked at the other..They hadnt moved on...

When they had a conversation over telephone...how did Shravan know she was in pain? Why did he make her go off to sleep? And said even if a Nanu is not there...he shall be there...

At times you need to hear the silences, the pauses to gauge that love does not mean chasing, does not mean pursuing...it means to give hope, it means to make your lover fall off to sleep so that she could dream...

If Love was only a confession ...then this story should not have been made in the first place...

Love is a thread that connects, that vibrates, that resonates and brings the past alive into the present...and makes you hopeful about the future

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Puja Bagchi

@puba

Dazzler

Posted: 9 years ago

#15

Don't try to equate the current story to reality. The CVs have cooked up two wonderfully confused souls as their leads...which gives them a lot of room to play with the characters...mold them as per their whims, wishes, viewers' reactions, trps and god knows what!

Edited by puba - 9 years ago

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Roshni2015

@Roshni2015

Dazzler

Posted: 9 years ago

#16

@Indrani.. You are amazing ... You have a way with words n I'm a fan, my dear sister..

I agree completely.. And the last line... Love...

@Amulya.. Super thread.. Diverse perspectives by all n all well written, well explained..

Whether I agree or not, that's a different matter..

Sumo n Shravan have a cosmic connection.. An unsaid unwritten bond.. That transcends time n distance and has stood tall...the masks, the external factors notwithstanding.. They both understood their feelings for each other even when they didn't verbalize them..They had that confidence in their relation..in each other...

But unfortunately, in this present scenario.. One person is overwhelmed by the thinking of his dad which is clouding his better judgement n the other person is only taking his words on face value without thinking about what brings forth such words.

Both are flawed n I do feel for both.. I fell in love with this show for their relation, the love they share... Yes, Shravan is my favourite character but I have loved Sumo also..

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Roshni2015

@Roshni2015

Dazzler

Posted: 9 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: puba
Don't try to equate the current story to reality. The CVs have cooked up two wonderfully confused souls as their leads...which gives them a lot of room to play with the characters...mold them as per their whims, wishes, viewers' reactions, trps and god knows what!

Puja

Ajkal only frustrations ber korcho to... 😆

Shotyi.. The CVs have taken two wonderfully written characters and made caricatures of them.. Hope they get on track soon enough..

Nahole amra pagol hoe jabo along with these leads!!!

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Puja Bagchi

@puba

Dazzler

Posted: 9 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: Roshni2015

Puja
Ajkal only frustrations ber korcho to... 😆

Shotyi.. The CVs have taken two wonderfully written characters and made caricatures of them.. Hope they get on track soon enough..
Nahole amra pagol hoe jabo along with these leads!!!

But it's the truth though...every action of theirs can be justified ...and every inaction can also be equally justified...at least amar tai mone hoy...analyze kora mane colossal waste of time!

Are jol onek dur goriye geche...it's impossible to fix anything...episode skip kore dekhi aajkal! 😃

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Roshni2015

@Roshni2015

Dazzler

Posted: 9 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: puba

But it's the truth though...every action of theirs can be justified ...and every inaction can also be equally justified...at least amar tai mone hoy...analyze kora mane colossal waste of time!

Are jol onek dur goriye geche...it's impossible to fix anything...episode skip kore dekhi aajkal! 😃

So true!!

Justifications to dewa jabei sob kichur.. Jol o onek duur gorieche but I still believe je era as in CVs ra jodi chae to they can bring things back on track.. Eder capability to chilo, I guess still ache.. But kano jani na better sense doesn't prevail these days...

Cholo.. We can only hope... I'm still invested in this story so hanging on..

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chicksoup

@chicksoup

Sparkler

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

#20

Nice post, Amulya.

I think the majority of the forum still feels it is a shared responsibility...They could both have handled their situations differently...Though I am in support of Suman most of the time, I still cannot digest the fact that she'd let Ramnath play with Shravan's emotions as well as hers...that she did it for her sister's happiness just about redeems her...So I wouldn't judge Shravan either on evaluating her based on her behaviour...When you are in love, you just take the other person without any Qs..Here, both have fallen short...But it is exactly these shortcomings that get people to learn...

I am least bothered about whether the couple were perfect or one was better than the other through the journey...All that matters is whether they are on the same page some time in their life..Once they get there, there is no looking back! 😳

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