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Posted: 9 years ago
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Just watched the episode.I found it quite okay. Great analysis from all of you here.My take -

Shravan has cloaked himself in the good man image. Suave, calm, composed. But inside he is bitter. And that comes out only rarely. And I think it comes out only when Suman triggers it.

  • First time it was when she called him Bhagoda.
  • Now when she tried to manipulate his marriage topic.

There maybe more triggers in the future.

These FBs are not shown fully. Ever. Initially there was a time when it looked like Sumo had read the letter and put Shravan down and that is why he was hurt. But now we know nothing like that happened. FBs are shown intermittently to confuse us. I hereby solemnly promise that I will not let the CVs confuse me. 😆

Now onto a very important question. Ramnath asked Nirmala whether she was with Ahuja years back. Now her name is Nirmala Ahuja. Does it mean she got married to her ex-boss ? And both father and son know it ?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheTVAficionado

Samridhi!

OMG. You're so good with words.

So, I started the show without any background of promos, etc. And at first glance, it seemed to be a story of friends, who'd drifted apart, but whose love transcended space and time.

And I think somewhere around episode 40, I saw all the promos of the show.

One promo which struck me was the one in which Shravan has a broken leg and Suman visits him and he belittles her with his 'mard ko dard nahi hota' rant.

And that's when I wondered that well, that's not the Shravan the show has sold to us. This is like a completely different person.

The MCP traits that the promo showed weren't really predominant. Perhaps masked by his charm and wit. But they definitely weren't in your face.

So, I like that the show didn't forget this part and is exploring Shravan and his distrust of women.

While watching the episode today, all I could think was if Shravan thinks that way of all women, where the hell does that leave Shravan and Suman? Because no way in hell, will I want to Sumo to compromise on anything for Shravan. All I wanted to know in that moment is if Shravan thought the same of Suman.

She is definitely the polar opposite of his expectation of a partner. She expects equality and he, a follower, a doormat even.

And I have faith that this show is not going to wuss out and make Sumo a caricature of her present self.

So, yes. As you said, I too am looking forward to see how the show takes us through Shravan overcoming his prejudice.


Okay...yeah...same here...I actually haven't watched the promos...and so far what I have seen of Shravan...in the show...they did not make him seem like a chauvinist at all...then suddenly he reveals his hidden avatar...just like that! Anyways...still the level of MCP ness...I could not digest! Maybe it's just me and my feminist side speaking...but I simply cannot tolerate such crazy ass people.
Edited by puba - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: puba


Okay...yeah...same here...I actually haven't watched the promos...and so far what I have seen of Shravan...in the show...they did not make him seem like a chauvinist at all...then suddenly he reveals his hidden avatar...just like that! Anyways...still the level of MCP ness...I could not digest! Maybe it's just me and my feminist side speaking...but I simply cannot tolerate such crazy ass people.


Yes, today, I did feel it came out of nowhere because the show hadn't really acknowledged it. But as I said, they may have concealed it in the little things. Like the part where he talks about keeping women waiting or something. I don't remember the exact dialogue. But in that scene with the kitty party ladies, he seems to believe every woman is so shallow that she can be charmed easily with sweet words and meaningless gestures.

I would definitely have liked the show to have built on it little by little. Today, seemed too much at one time.

But then again, I'm just going to trust the show. I have faith that Sumo is not someone to be bullied out of her ambitions and aspirations. And the recap was something I liked. When she goes barging in to his office, demanding an answer as to whether he slots her in the same category. If that spark in Sumo were to dim, I would be left very disappointed with the show.

Also, totally getting douchebag vibes from Ramnath.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheTVAficionado



Yes, today, I did feel it came out of nowhere because the show hadn't really acknowledged it. But as I said, they may have concealed it in the little things. Like the part where he talks about keeping women waiting or something. I don't remember the exact dialogue. But in that scene with the kitty party ladies, he seems to believe every woman is so shallow that she can be charmed easily with sweet words and meaningless gestures.

I would definitely have liked the show to have built on it little by little. Today, seemed too much at one time.

But then again, I'm just going to trust the show. I have faith that Sumo is not someone to be bullied out of her ambitions and aspirations. And the recap was something I liked. When she goes barging in to his office, demanding an answer as to whether he slots her in the same category. If that spark in Sumo were to dim, I would be left very disappointed with the show.

Also, totally getting douchebag vibes from Ramnath.




'Douchebags vibes from Ramnath'

Hahahahah . Definitely.
Waiting for it to unfold :D
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Wonderful analysis by everyone here.
Rushali has already voiced my views. The story from now on is going to be very interesting and I am all ready to watch it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sanfan


I see the current track as a detour in story telling to position the actual story at the point of the original promos of the show...this detour was intentional in my view (my hindsight knowledge really) becos if this was the Shravan we had met at the start of the show as per the promos...i doubt we would have had too many takers for his side in the story or would have given this love story a chance..The detour was primarily taken for us to give us a real glimpse of these two characters Shravan and Suman...the two lovers-to-be

You know, San your take is interesting, in fact very much so. The first 50 episodes (almost all of them put together) were a detour to build up to this point. So that people can watch it far more calmly and how Sumo reforms this man. Means this sounds almost like a joke, in a show which we all believed was slightly more realistic, all of a sudden you tell me that its the duty of the FL to help this idiot (I have other words for him rite now, but wont use it😆). So did this detour help? Many among the forum members have already thrashed this detour as coming from nowhere. That it doesnt make sense. Shravan how did he turn out to be such an ass. And how different it is from other shows, where the main job is to portray the FL as trying to reform the ML from such regressive thinking.
So, all the earlier instances of goodness in this character which if was there in the first place, has already been forgotten by the forum members. Where did this detour lead us then? Many also have pointed out that's it going back in time. The story has made no progression at all in terms of character growth. Now what is left in the story is to correct his prejudices, a totally warped one at that. So, detour hasnt helped the show at all and definitely not the hero, Shravan (if he can be called a hero with what was shown yesterday).
Even if there were some new character traits that we have come across of Shravan Malhotra.. its all being put under the scanner by his most regressive attitude towards women.
Was he so upset by Sumo for the last ten years because she was a woman, after all (forgetting about the letter's contents for a while)?
Detour really didnt help.. .if Shravan has turned out to be an MCP of the worst kind. And as you say a misogynist.
How did this detour help?

But was it a detour in the first place?

The show's greatest strength for me is the way the story has been told.
As Jonathan Culler has said... the significance lies not in the tale, but in the telling of it. The story is simple... most of us have already noticed it, in fact, all stories are simple even the greatest ones (Midnight's Children, anyone).
So, the story is here not important that of father's bad parenting or the floundering of the parents' relationship which has made Shravan such an ass.

So, what makes this show interesting for most of us?

The story in this show is never completely told ... like the third question which is yet to be asked by Shravan to Sumo. Before the reunion party, most of us had been against Shravan, after the party many felt differently (I didnt, btw😆).
The story in this show has always followed the mode of "in medias res".Starting not from the beginning or even ending at a desired end, but lingering in the middle. As if the whole point in telling this story is perspectives do matter. Beginning or ending usually are written from a certain vantage point where the storyteller/s already are aware how the story would progress or how it would end.
Here, in this show this is being denied to us and more so, to the character themselves. Sumo who thought that Shravan Malhotra is a good man and so she cannot lie about him and in doing so, as Red pointed out, Pushkar's performance within the Malhotra firm was cast aside. Was her truth valid when you look at the totality of what was shown yesterday?
Given the chance, if Shravan keeps on saying or acting upon his regressive beliefs.. will Sumo not believe that actually she has done wrong to Pushkar, who is as much a friend to her as Shravan. In fact, more so than Shravan because he has followed her journey in these past ten years not from a virtual distance.
Flashbacks in this story have always given us a limited perspective as if reiterating that it is foolish to pass a judgement. Father is bad, Son bad and an idiot if ever there was one. And mother wronged. Sumo, a heroine who has to face the brunt of it all.

How much did Suman Tiwari actively help us in bringing Shravan to a point where you say we do like him a little bit? (not many after yesterday's episode😆)
Sumo also didnt apologize (another major grouse among the forum members here😆) for what she did ten years ago. What did she do that it made Shravan say a heartfelt thank you to her once (walk down memory lane). Sumo did not need to offer any explanation as to why she did what she did, yet this MCP acknowledged her journey of loneliness and pain.
Think again about the storytelling mode.. and tell me was that also, a detour? Or was it making us aware along with the characters that a mirror doesnt reveal the whole picture? You can only see what you want to see or what is exactly placed before the mirror. Other things, incidents, characters which do not fall in this line of vision shall not be shown or cannot be, till a new mirror comes along. Again that wouldn't the whole picture but shifting of perspectives.
Sumo saw something which makes her question her views of what she has seen in the mirror. But, was it all wrong or was it merely incomplete?
We saw yesterday a mirror.. in which few of the characters' new layers came to light. But, does that mean we need to discount the other mirrors which we had seen and observed. Going back to the logic of the show, the answer is no
Its not simply a matter of maintaining our interests as viewers that they showed what you label as detour.. its rather telling us that this show is not a mirror to life but, life itself is composed of several mirrors which we keep on finding along in journey towards love or the lack of it.
I dont know if I answered your response.. but your argument San was so topical. In spite of our intense dislike of what was shown yesterday, why do we keep on watching? Detour or ...



Edited by indranigupta - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Indrani...
Lovely thots on the detour or the not so-detour..😆
In a way I thought you were quoting my words when u quoted J Culler...

A story is all about the treatment...100%...after all what are stories really...its the art of the raconteur that makes one different from the other.

Now...as for this story...I am hopeful it is in the treatment that this will differ...I loved Shravan and Ramnath convo yesterday when he said I don't know if i must fear or get upset about what I have turned u into...To be fair...Ramnath was the first man to object to Shravan's way of dealing with Urvashi at the party..He also was quick to tell Shravan yesterday that one woman must not be the cause for him to become cynical about marriage. So Ramnath has not had any grand designs to sully his wife's reputation in Shravan's eyes..its another matter that Shravan was at perhaps an impressionable juncture in life to take a cynical view of the whole episode. I used the misogyny ref in a larger sense to underscore how solitary instances come to be blamed for attitudes when there are actually more and more instances of positive reinforcement for changing one's view.

I did not mean a detour as a wrong step...only a different way of presenting a character to the viewer. I do not bracket EDKV with a lot of soaps that use an attitude to aid a story. In that sense Shravan still stands tall above many others in his ability to discern so I am not really looking at the story as a woman reforms man story..





Edited by sanfan - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Wow wonderful analysis by everyone..Thank u guys..

Samridhi Hats off yaar...Right now, I was not thinking about EDKV from this angle because my mind was a bit off tangent I guess...The Reason for this ...I will give links to my analysis posts...I wanted to make analysis posts from long but did not but then because you insisted, I felt I should make them!

Here are the links...

ShraMan-Tu mera humdard hai-OS on upcoming track! P3 updated

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4612864&TPN=3


Episode Analysis-ShraMan-Adhuri si Poori Kahani-updtd p4

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4612864&TPN=4


Both are Analysis posts only...Thank you!

Now Coming to Self-Respect vs Love, I feel in every relationship be it with family or friendship or love, both self-respect & love can co-exist just like every individual has good & bad side to them afterall both are two sides of the same coin...

Love & Hatred are two sides of the same coin because circumstances determine their inter-play;...similarly, sometimes we might have deep concern for someone but at the same time get angry on them for some reasons;...similarly, when trust, respect break & misunderstandings arise, it takes time for mutual trust, understanding, respect & love to blossom again but still the paradox is only newly formed trust can take away that mistrust, only newly blossomed respect can take away disrespect & revenge mode, only maturity & understanding can end all misunderstandings, & only peace & bliss of love can take away pain, guilt, fears, helplessness, frustration associated with love...Basically I want to say every story, character, thought, feeling of every individual has positive & negative shade, & it is circumstance & our reaction, judgement, point of view, emotions to those experiences which decide whether positive aspect or negative aspect is more powerful...


Aur phir woh Self-respect hee kya jisme Love na ho aur woh Love hee kya jisme Self-Respect na ho...I just hope ShraMan will learn from Shravan's Parents' mistakes & also their own mistakes to ensure a Beautiful Memorable Journey of Love in Heart but with Head Held High with Self-Respect...I want ShraMan to be equals where they respect each others' space, freedom, likes & dislikes but at the same time be one connected with heart full of love!... Afterall, two people can co-exist peacefully & happily & create A Heaven when both learn to admire similarities & respect differences afterall every individual is unique & special in their own way...Let's wait & watch how when...'Akhir mil hee jate hai jo bane hai Ek Duje Ke Vaaste...ShraMan'

Once again, I will say I really respect & admire & love EDKV cast & crew for EDKV's simplicity, beauty & realistic nature & EDKVians's amazing posts!.

Thank u...

Love,

Spandana

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Shravan's outburst yday, was soo similar to those intense love confessions, when a guy is in denial and refuses to accept his love for the girl and has an inner battle of accepting and confessing his feelings.. something happens.. something triggers .. where he is cornered to an extent that all his bottled up emotions erupt like a volcano and he holds the girl , pins her to wall and abruptly utters "I LOVE you dammit "

This is precisely what happened yday, his bottled up emotions erupted like a volcano, though not of love, but of pain and abhorrence... he was cornered out of nowhere .. he was pushed to into a circle of marriage... previously when he agreed to marry Urvashi, it was more to get back at Suman, though the planning and " advice " was given by chachi, ... but this time it was Suman who pushed him into that circle , he was also cornered by his dad, lala ji, unlike the first time, again on Suman's "advice" it triggered , disrupted the inner bottled up emotions like a volcano ... instead of "I LOVE you dammit" came out the words "There is no place for women in my life .. they are manipulative and selfish"

As audience if he said "I love you dammit" we would be going awww *dreamy* , but now, in a similar fashion his negative emotions were out like a volcano and he is all MCP, for he let out his detest, which was within him and pulling him down to his past. . Human emotions are not one dimensional, or static, they are dynamic and multi layered.. you put someone in a situation, they react to it in a certain way, an amalgamation of how one reacts to different situations in one's life and how sorted he is, becomes is character and not just one situation, one reaction which can seal that person's character .


Is Shravan really an MCP ?? Is having opinions based on his experiences from teenage, his beliefs, his trust termed as MCPness or character assassination, he didn't physically or mentally harm any women or girl, he just said that he can't trust any woman,...

he didn't manipulate, humiliate any girl or woman, what he did in party with Suman was settling score with a "friend" but that friend happened to be Suman , a girl .

he didn't make a girl to swoon and later break her heart.. he always maintained his decorum and decency and respect towards women, despite the harsh fact that he doesn't trust them or cannot make any woman part of his life, does that account to be MCP ??

I know this side of Shravan is hard to accept after the charming one we saw till now, but again it's him, the guy who lived with it for past 10 years has to let go off it , and he can do that only by unlocking .. be it hidden love or suppressed hatred !!

For me, it's just another layer to Shravan's character.., which was revealed, in certain situation. Just like we are not the same self in all situations.. and react differently to different situations ... so did he and that doesn't make it his base character.

Coming to the theme, I don't think Suman will compromise on her self respect, she can still love him without compromising her self respect, she wouldn't allow anyone deter it nor is Shravan who will hurt her self respect . and she already has her limits in place, like knocking on the door before entering his room. I don't see Suman on mission "sudharo" Shravan.. this show is nothing like other million shows.. the writing and characterizations is great...the flow is leading to reconciliation between mom and kid , again not by Suman, but by themselves and situations .

There is difference between, aiding and leading .. Suman, as a friend can aide Shravan on the path which leads clarifications .. but she wouldn't be leading like a biwi at the stake of her self respect by by holding his hand and making him to walk on the path. Once he can get all his perceptions sorted , he can start writing on a clean slate .. with no strings to pull him down . And I agree with all of you regarding, ShraMan taking life lessons from his parent's past !!



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