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Hi, new here but a silent member. So starting watching this show from August/September 2020 even though I watched it back before the show shutdown back in March.

I don't want to take sides or anything but I'll relate more with Shravan at this point than Suman barring his view that all women are dhokebaaz but I'll agree with one thing that I don't specifically remember Shravan really bringing up the topic of choosing his father over her father in the first place. He said that while he'll bring back devraj but Suman cannot do the same thing. He did go at the wrong time and Bunty said not to go but he still went out of his love & concern for her.

Also, he did talk about how the events turned their lives upside down. I'm not sure but I don't think he wasn't really aware of what was going on in Suman's mind at the time before she lashed out. He asked for her clarity on his father being called Deshdrohi showing that he values her opinion just much as he values Devraj. I don't see any ego clashes here. Also, I disagree with his actions not showing him tell that he'll come back later because, while was also angry/upset, he still let it go initially & said that he'll talk later. This he learned from Suman to let go when her grandfather unnecessarily lashed out at him, Devraj, & Rajendra.

Also, to me when she said that it was a "SIGN" that turned me off because how am I supposed to know that a death will mean that get back to your senses? She only had an inkling that her father went to the cantonment. He kept on asking, are you sure what you really mean? If she said, that she's saying it& meant it then that's it. He ASKED her that & her saying that YES & SHE MEANS EVERY WORD tells me that you lost too much sanity at the point. Maybe a point of reconciliation could've been shown but I don't think it is even necessary.

Right now, the VIKRAM character is just OTT because he's just practically just way too frank. Why didn't he escalate from AAP to TUM in all these 7 years? Also, the Suman oscillating back & forth between Vikram & Shravan just tells me that you are messed up & still don't know whom to choose. If she wanted, she could've chose Vikram within the 7-8 years but Shravan still affected her. I get that there's no time to think about getting over something that consumed her energy but for me that was sort like a blooper. Also, if Shravan doesn't want the repair, that's his right because it is his property & he gets to decide what needs to be repaired & whatnot.

As someone mentioned, I can feel sympathetic for those who lost a parent but for Shravan it was also first time where he saw his father get arrested. So, that's an equivalent trauma that's just a major slap on my face. I've seen my close ones suffer from diseases like PTSD & whatnot due to the stigmas they had to face such as discrimination & all & not everyone has the same speed to get over such traumatic incidents.

Also, Suman's nature has been showing discrimination from the inception. I saw a post where one member said that she was in rigid bubble and happy in her world where Vijay was the most important person and his opinion mattered the most to her before Shravan broke the bubble to make her feel the real self. She was the one who said that she felt good about lying to Kanchan and all and now the same person is saying that Shravan is responsible for mess that she's in. Sorry but is Shravan some TOY/ROBOT or something to be manipulated with? No, and why should she be the only one with the right to form opinions? Even Shravan has the same right. The way the Tiwaris have nurtured her from the inception for forming statements based on what she "RATOO-ED" from her whole live, that shows a character flaw & I don't want to form judgements based on whatever I'm presented it. I'll let go that at the time she wasn't in the right frame of mind but if the case got stretched for 7-8 years to me that shows that she didn't ponder over this & was still stuck in the past. It's good to move on in life but that same act also consumed Shravan's energy too. So, again she's just thinking it is from her perspective. Even in the last scene, she manipulatively stopped him from going to meet Vikram fearing that her name might get revealed. But does she know whether that will happen or not? No, and she's not omnipresent person to know about this. Why didn't she open up in the 7 years and when Shravan came then she'll decide to spill the beans all of the sudden?

Sorry for the long rant but I'll more relating to Shravan here.

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

But a point comes where I feel Shravan needs to be empathetic or mature is when he brings up the topic Case vedict in front of her. The case will obviously be in the courtroom one day. There is no point of bringing up again and again because he himself shared a special bond with Vijay.

How though? Try to put yourself in Shravan's shoes for a bit. The case is about Suman trying to prove his dad a traitor. It is a raw wound for him that keeps getting prodded constantly for 7 years....why will he be empathetic in discussing it? The case is a symbol of everything that has gone wrong in his life. He lost a mentor, he lost his love, he had to see his father being humiliated for 7 years....obviously this will fester and he will not be able to talk "maturely" about it.

Where is this even about Vijay? Who even talks about Vijay these days? lol Was Vijay's soul allowed to rest in peace even for a minute? By anyone? Suman's family has been more fixated on their revenge spree against Devraj and the Malhotras for 7 years instead. So when Suman herself barely talks about regard for her father, how will Shravan get to it. Suman herself treats this case like a game she needs to beat Shravan at with the way she responds childishly about it.

I feel like people inflate the level of expectation of what Shravan should think and do about Vijay. Vijay was a mentor to Shravan, but he wasn't his father. And the person who ultimately mattered the most to Shravan was SUMAN, not Vijay. Everything he did and is still doing is an extension of his feelings for Suman. The fact that he keeps bringing up the case is also because it became a weird competition between him and Suman since it got dragged on for so long....and he wants to beat her in that competition and give back some of the hurt she so callously threw at him.

Nothing can be resolved until they talk properly....any empathy, maturity etc. can only emerge after 7 years of pent up hurt gets an outlet. So to expect this from Shravan before that I don't think is reasonable. Sadly, the writing doesn't seem interested in improving anytime soon.

Okay, I thought about this but I guess its just the episodes made me think that way I guess. So, I guess the writing is messed up and just gets the viewer emotionally thinking that way. I do agree that there are flaws in Suman because I also didn't like the trait of over expectation but I do feel the pityness that she suffered a lot in her life. It's just the way the scene was presented I realize that Shravan is speaking from whatever he witnessed and he has the complete right to do so. Maybe the emotional aspect got the better of me because I can't help but to sympathize with the tragedy both went through. It's just a bit annoying that Shravan just labeled all women as Dhokebaaz when his experience was just with Suman so I think, maybe I was saying that he shouldn't be so judgemental that all relationships will be the same. Maybe I was overlooking certain facts.

I guess the writing is just so badly messed up that viewers are just left hanging and the point is divided in two opinions. I also agree that Suman used to discriminate so that was bad quality which was the only thing I detested from the start of the show.

Sorry if my views confused anybody but I was just thinking for them to learn to grow up from this incident as opposed to just remembering the moments in the past because yes their love was true & it was a beautiful feeling for them.

Originally posted by: SharmiliBandhi

Hi, new here but a silent member. So starting watching this show from August/September 2020 even though I watched it back before the show shutdown back in March.

I don't want to take sides or anything but I'll relate more with Shravan at this point than Suman barring his view that all women are dhokebaaz but I'll agree with one thing that I don't specifically remember Shravan really bringing up the topic of choosing his father over her father in the first place. He said that while he'll bring back devraj but Suman cannot do the same thing. He did go at the wrong time and Bunty said not to go but he still went out of his love & concern for her.

Also, he did talk about how the events turned their lives upside down. I'm not sure but I don't think he wasn't really aware of what was going on in Suman's mind at the time before she lashed out. He asked for her clarity on his father being called Deshdrohi showing that he values her opinion just much as he values Devraj. I don't see any ego clashes here. Also, I disagree with his actions not showing him tell that he'll come back later because, while was also angry/upset, he still let it go initially & said that he'll talk later. This he learned from Suman to let go when her grandfather unnecessarily lashed out at him, Devraj, & Rajendra.

Also, to me when she said that it was a "SIGN" that turned me off because how am I supposed to know that a death will mean that get back to your senses? She only had an inkling that her father went to the cantonment. He kept on asking, are you sure what you really mean? If she said, that she's saying it& meant it then that's it. He ASKED her that & her saying that YES & SHE MEANS EVERY WORD tells me that you lost too much sanity at the point. Maybe a point of reconciliation could've been shown but I don't think it is even necessary.

As someone mentioned, I can feel sympathetic for those who lost a parent but for Shravan it was also first time where he saw his father get arrested. So, that's an equivalent trauma that's just a major slap on my face. I've seen my close ones suffer from diseases like PTSD & whatnot due to the stigmas they had to face such as discrimination & all & not everyone has the same speed to get over such traumatic incidents.

@bold: I completely agree with you. Frankly I had expected that the breakup scene will show valid mistakes being made from both sides to build up to a misunderstanding.....instead, the writers showed a Shravan trying till the very end to ask Suman if she meant it, trying to give her benefit of doubt that she must be in anger and didn't mean the things she was saying....but she brutally kept saying more hurtful things and threw him out. I tried very hard but just couldn't find any validity to the way the Suman was shown in this breakup scene.....even accounting for her rage or grief, they didn't balance out the build up of the scene properly.

I'm frankly at a loss to understand how after all this also people say that Shravan didn't give her any empathy, he was insensitive, he was selfish. This was a guy who was reeling with so much shock and trauma of his own after being slapped and kicked around by so many people, seeing his father being hit and arrested....all this on TOP of the news of Vijay's death, and even then, in his own lowest moment, he was trying to give her benefit of doubt that she couldn't really mean the horrible things she was suddenly saying to him. I don't even know how he managed to do that much. Any other person in his place would have fallen apart earlier and lost their own mind in hurt and anger.

Suman herself is a seriously messed up soul who has now brutally ruined Shravan's life as well. He believed in all the earnest promises they made to each other, he believed her when she said that she can't live without him, that they will always be together. In turn, because Suman was dealing with her own guilt about her father's death, Shravan abruptly gets told that he would have ruined her life.....how is any of that fair to him? Simply cuz Sumo was in grief, her saying horrible hurtful things to Shravan becomes ok? And it's not even like she built up to it.....there wasn't even a moment of her crying and struggling with these mixed emotions of love for Shravan and guilt for her father....she just totally expressed only rage and projected everything onto Shravan who never did anything to deserve things like "You would have ruined my life" being said to him. SHE chose to fall in love with him, SHE chose to run away with him and suddenly she was behaving like he was some kind of villain who "manipulated" her into going away from her father.

I still haven't figured out if it was the writing that was so bad in that scene or KK couldn't express whatever "mix" of emotions Suman was feeling.....but all that came across was a Suman who got consumed by her rage and so abruptly shifted into treating Shravan like some criminal in her life....and there was nothing convincing about the transition....they never showed any internal struggle for a girl who supposedly was madly in love just hours back to a girl who suddenly became ice cold in rage. And to then not expect Shravan to feel any sense of betrayal over such a sudden abrupt shift.....doesn't make sense to me.

I don't see this being about ego....it's just about immense hurt. Empathy can't only be one-sided. To expect empathy from someone you so brutally pushed away (no matter what you were going through) is not reasonable. Shravan is also a human being at the end of the day, not some saint who should disregard any horrible things Suman constantly says to him simply cuz she's so mentally and emotionally messed up. Suman's grief and tragedy do not give her a free pass to say anything she wants to Shravan who was basically an innocent bystander at that point....not like he personally made the vests that killed her father.

Shravan's hurt is about broken promises and him feeling betrayed by the girl he totally trusted and loved. While Suman's hurt I guess is about loving a guy who supposedly took her away from her dad. Suman's perception is more twisted in my opinion but it is what it is. They will both keep on hurting unless they talk it through.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Okay, I thought about this but I guess its just the episodes made me think that way I guess. So, I guess the writing is messed up and just gets the viewer emotionally thinking that way. I do agree that there are flaws in Suman because I also didn't like the trait of over expectation but I do feel the pityness that she suffered a lot in her life. It's just the way the scene was presented I realize that Shravan is speaking from whatever he witnessed and he has the complete right to do so. Maybe the emotional aspect got the better of me because I can't help but to sympathize with the tragedy both went through. It's just a bit annoying that Shravan just labeled all women as Dhokebaaz when his experience was just with Suman so I think, maybe I was saying that he shouldn't be so judgemental that all relationships will be the same. Maybe I was overlooking certain facts.

I guess the writing is just so badly messed up that viewers are just left hanging and the point is divided in two opinions. I also agree that Suman used to discriminate so that was bad quality which was the only thing I detested from the start of the show.

Sorry if my views confused anybody but I was just thinking for them to learn to grow up from this incident as opposed to just remembering the moments in the past because yes their love was true & it was a beautiful feeling for them.

Both have suffered from major blows but for Suman to blame Shravan as for the responsible for the mess doesn't add up because she said to forget her and now she's forget the same lines. Both are currently dysfunctional at this point from the major points but its just more so from Suman's side. I agree that Shravan has to learn how to control his emotions on the job or whatever but we shouldn't overlook the fact that he's been through this trauma for so long and he can't recover from it very easily thereby consuming majority of his energy. He's also juggling between work, case and family so it takes two hands to clap. 😃

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Okay, I thought about this but I guess its just the episodes made me think that way I guess. So, I guess the writing is messed up and just gets the viewer emotionally thinking that way. I do agree that there are flaws in Suman because I also didn't like the trait of over expectation but I do feel the pityness that she suffered a lot in her life. It's just the way the scene was presented I realize that Shravan is speaking from whatever he witnessed and he has the complete right to do so. Maybe the emotional aspect got the better of me because I can't help but to sympathize with the tragedy both went through. It's just a bit annoying that Shravan just labeled all women as Dhokebaaz when his experience was just with Suman so I think, maybe I was saying that he shouldn't be so judgemental that all relationships will be the same. Maybe I was overlooking certain facts.

I guess the writing is just so badly messed up that viewers are just left hanging and the point is divided in two opinions. I also agree that Suman used to discriminate so that was bad quality which was the only thing I detested from the start of the show.

Sorry if my views confused anybody but I was just thinking for them to learn to grow up from this incident as opposed to just remembering the moments in the past because yes their love was true & it was a beautiful feeling for them.

I would actually say we all react emotionally in our own ways.....I WANT to feel for the overall tragedy of SS ka situation but the writing is so bad that I'm mostly left unconvinced or irritated. Only thing I didn't get was why Shravan wasn't allowed to feel betrayed after what happened so I just responded mainly about that. Sorry if I came on too strong😆

@bold: Honestly, this "all women are dhokebaaz" line IS super cliched and something I'm not happy with being shown on Shravan either. But on a basic level, Shravan having loved Suman that deeply and getting betrayed so harshly makes it technically understandable why he would start to feel mistrustful of women in general. He had such a bad experience that he's started generalizing. Women tend to do it too if they go through a bad relationship.

I wish the writers would write this story better than resorting to such typical cliches but I guess they don't want to bother right now😕.....there is so much more they could show in terms of nuance but all they do in every epi is the same repetitive anger and bitterness scenes.

Originally posted by: SharmiliBandhi

It is okay😆. Everyone has the right to form an opinion whether it is from Suman &/or Shravan's POV. I was just saying to never overlook the past episodes because he has a point in that everything may look all glittery and shining on the front but once you get past the rough exterior only then you'll get to know why he's saying what he is saying. I agree that maybe there are few things that he needs to start learning to control but he's doing this because he's never suffered from such a huge blow in his life. It's easy for her to say that devraj is a traitor but to a child that will be a shocking thing. Even at the age of 50, children will still respect there parents (barring a few).

Both have suffered from major blows but for Suman to blame Shravan as for the responsible for the mess doesn't add up because she said to forget her and now she's forget the same lines. Both are currently dysfunctional at this point from the major points but its just more so from Suman's side. I agree that Shravan has to learn how to control his emotions on the job or whatever but we shouldn't overlook the fact that he's been through this trauma for so long and he can't recover from it very easily thereby consuming majority of his energy. He's also juggling between work, case and family so it takes two hands to clap. 😃

@bold: Exactly. Shravan's temper right now is an extension of his hurt and trauma....no one is justifying that he should be angry all the time. The point is that after everything he has been through, him having a temper and feeling angry is the least of his issues....lol....he could be in a much more messed up state.

Suman has basically messed him up badly.....in order to heal and get over this, he needs resolution from Suman. The resolution of the court case would go a long way but I don't know how long the writers want to drag that with the lame Vikram character.

i am simply despo to see them together again,every epi breaks my heart though:(

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Exactly. Shravan's temper right now is an extension of his hurt and trauma....no one is justifying that he should be angry all the time. The point is that after everything he has been through, him having a temper and feeling angry is the least of his issues....lol....he could be in a much more messed up state. Yes, it is very easy to play the blame game without doubting about whether the headlines were true or not. Yes, there wasn't much evidence at the point so maybe she'll have to form some opinion or the other but to mix things up such as Vijay's death is the outcome of her relationship with Shravan will make someone think that she's gone bonkers. However, that's just a POV that Suman is experiencing. What Shravan experienced was also traumatic because when he got to know that Devraj had allegations and then for him to get kicked out by the Tiwaris & the police whom he stopped insulting and all that is a really shocking for him. He still believed that the Tiwari family is good despite knowing the animosity between the families and for him to suddenly process the reality, it is just a shock. Yet, he still pined for hope that Suman would still be sensible enough to understand his point of view for once. He only reacted because he valued her over anyone else. First to see Devraj get arrested then to see Suman lose her father, it will be a hard thing to digest.

To top it all, the writers are making him as if he's lost trust in relationships wherein, in reality, he doesn't mind relationship but is just sharing his two cents per se. I respect that and if he doesn't want to form another relationship again, then he has the complete right to do so. It's just that it won't be the same as it was with Suman.

Suman has basically messed him up badly.....in order to heal and get over this, he needs resolution from Suman. The resolution of the court case would go a long way but I don't know how long the writers want to drag that with the lame Vikram character. I don't know about the court case but the character of Vikram looks rather shady to me with the whole escalating the matters from him considering Suman as his family, from AP to TUM, and OTT frank behavior. Makes me think, the track was better w/o him.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

How though? Try to put yourself in Shravan's shoes for a bit. The case is about Suman trying to prove his dad a traitor. It is a raw wound for him that keeps getting prodded constantly for 7 years....why will he be empathetic in discussing it? The case is a symbol of everything that has gone wrong in his life. He lost a mentor, he lost his love, he had to see his father being humiliated for 7 years....obviously this will fester and he will not be able to talk "maturely" about it.

I wanted to say this. He lost his mentor who haven't gotten 'JUSTICE' . Maybe empathy is a big term to expect but the least he can do is not bring up in front of Suman because the same mentor was her father too. That neither will make him go against his dad nor will make a person feel less for his sufferings. I expect this after few more episodes not right now.

Where is this even about Vijay? Who even talks about Vijay these days? lol Was Vijay's soul allowed to rest in peace even for a minute? By anyone? Suman's family has been more fixated on their revenge spree against Devraj and the Malhotras for 7 years instead. So when Suman herself barely talks about regard for her father, how will Shravan get to it. Suman herself treats this case like a game she needs to beat Shravan at with the way she responds childishly about it.

I think if we look at from a Perceptive of a family who has lost a family member not just as martyred for a country but rather couldn't be alive because of faulty vest jackets, I don't expect them to shift or step back just because they happen to know the Suspect who used to be their Neighbor.

I agree, Suman might not be vocal about it in front of Shravan but that doesn't mean she doesn't think of Vijay.

I feel like people inflate the level of expectation of what Shravan should think and do about Vijay. Vijay was a mentor to Shravan, but he wasn't his father. And the person who ultimately mattered the most to Shravan was SUMAN, not Vijay. Everything he did and is still doing is an extension of his feelings for Suman. The fact that he keeps bringing up the case is also because it became a weird competition between him and Suman since it got dragged on for so long....and he wants to beat her in that competition and give back some of the hurt she so callously threw at him.

I don't expect him to go on that level. And he would look out of place as well. Yes Vijay was a Mentor to Shravan not his father. He was the first one who motivated him and saw something in him when his own father didn't. Even Shravan acknowledged that "Pata nahi aapne mujhme kya dekha" when Vijay handed him the best cadet certificate.

If you're saying Shravan went on to attend Vijay's classes only for Suman. Then I disagree. He admitted it himself that initially he did it for her but after a point He wanted to do it because Vijay Uncle sees the Spark him. Yes Suman mattered the most to him. No denying.

Nothing can be resolved until they talk properly....any empathy, maturity etc. can only emerge after 7 years of pent up hurt gets an outlet. So to expect this from Shravan before that I don't think is reasonable. Sadly, the writing doesn't seem interested in improving anytime soon.

Lol the writers are themselves roaming round and round.