Nothing, Nowhere, No more...so convince us

It's been a week since Suvan's first meeting post-leap, and the story is still stuck right there.

Nothing has changed, in our understanding of the past 7 years, in the development of the present-day case, in the propagation of army life, and definitely not in the clarification of Suvan's feelings. The writers may be thinking that this uncertainty and confusion will force people to keep watching out of curiosity, but really I think they're distancing the viewers from the characters.

And Suvan are getting nowhere. We see more scenes of them alone than together, doing other things with other people. When they are together there's little depth to the scene or dialogues or it's cut short so as a viewer I don't feel anything. They don't come off as 'two wounded souls who are still so much in love that they crave for each other but whenever they meet they are desperate to hurt the other as they have been hurt". Rather they come off as "ex-bf and gf who are forced to remember their happy memories together but can't stand each other and are desperate to never move on". I don't see their love, just a painful void where love used to be.

With each episode I can't help but think that there's nothing more left to their relationship. Suman's trying to move on with Vikram and Shravan believes all girls are cheaters. They both wish they didn't come across each other again, and it makes me wish the same. Wish that they finish their stuff here and never have to face the painful memories of each other again. Makes me believe that their love really was childish.

I don't want to think or feel that way about this love story but the way Suvan's relationship developed pre and post leap it all seems immature. Too quick and not meant to be. Pre-leap, even if they had showed one proper fight and argument between Suvan and how they dealt with it to get back together, we would have seen the depth of their love. But really I can't seem to find a strong base to their relationship, it was all just lovey-dovey.

I feel if CVs want to convince the audience that Suvan are really 'banne ek duje ke vaaste', they will have to make Suvan fall in love again as adults (rather than have them rekindle their childhood love which was way too shallow). And I think it is going that way, because so far I don't see them still being madly in love with each other. CVs might show that although Suvan want to move on, army duties will force them to hang out together during which they will fall in love again but this time with a stronger foundation of maturity. I'll take that as a 'made for each other' love story.

For now, for me, Suvan aren't meant to be. But I so wish that like the army school phase, CVs again go through the long process of making them connect and fall in love. And I am eager to see how CVs can convince the audience that Suvan can fall in love again.

I don't think their love in their school days was childish....it had a child-like innocence but I wouldn't say it lacked maturity or understanding.

They did have fights and disagreements that they worked through....most of that happened in their friendship phase. The issue isn't that their pre leap love was childish....the issue is the lack of balance. Suman had always been the one dictating how it proceeded in many ways....and Shravan went along with whatever direction she asked of him because he loved her with a kind of devotion in many ways. He looked up to Sumo, considered her his guiding light in life. Ultimately that imbalance tore them apart in a moment of crisis....Shravan as usual expected Sumo to guide him and she instead brutally pushed him away and trashed their whole relationship.

Their pre-leap versions actually had a lot of depth as characters....which their post-leap versions are sorely lacking. That is where the disconnect comes in.

So to me, the pre-leap relationship they shared was the only meaningful part of this story. I'm not even sure if there is anything in their post-leap characters for the writers to build into "making them fall in love again". What they shared pre-leap was already so meaningful but the writers seem to have sadly squandered it and now seem to have no clue how to move their story along.

If the main intent of the writers was to make people lose interest in this story post-leap, then they are doing a fine job of that. I'm mostly disconnected from the characters now and don't feel like following the story anymore.

Originally posted by: Anee2

It's been a week since Suvan's first meeting post-leap, and the story is still stuck right there.

Nothing has changed, in our understanding of the past 7 years, in the development of the present-day case, in the propagation of army life, and definitely not in the clarification of Suvan's feelings. The writers may be thinking that this uncertainty and confusion will force people to keep watching out of curiosity, but really I think they're distancing the viewers from the characters. Yes, as of now, the story seems somewhat messed especially in terms of lack clarity for certain scenes such as the whole dhokebaazi & ghaplabaazi POVs. More than Suman, it is Shravan who seems to be stuck on his experience because Suman has said that she wants to move ahead in life after 7-8 years of energy gets back in stable mode. It has consumed a lot of her life as she is juggling between case, work, family and now the volunteer program. So she knows how to keep herself distracted even if personal problems are arising, however, she isn't perfect just like Shravan but is trying to do so. Shravan, on the other hand, although likes to advice people but it seems as if Suman has to be in the context and story for him to make it more interesting and spicy to the point that people are gossiping about it in the office as per the precap. So, he is able to open up and I respect that for him but he can't control his emotions properly for some reason such as releasing personal frustations before he corrects himself. Yesterday, when Vikram asked for his help, he only helped because he mentioned that it was the favorite place of the person whom he thinks his relationship is complicated. I don't think Suman thinks its complicated, she's just apprehensive of whether history will repeat itself if she were to get back into a relationship and that's just from her experience she formed the thought.

And Suvan are getting nowhere. We see more scenes of them alone than together, doing other things with other people. When they are together there's little depth to the scene or dialogues or it's cut short so as a viewer I don't feel anything. They don't come off as 'two wounded souls who are still so much in love that they crave for each other but whenever they meet they are desperate to hurt the other as they have been hurt". Rather they come off as "ex-bf and gf who are forced to remember their happy memories together but can't stand each other and are desperate to never move on". I don't see their love, just a painful void where love used to be. Yes, but not so much for Suman today (like not fully because she is still questioning why she had to meet him F2F after so long for?) because she doesn't mind giving life another chance to move on especially over something for which she finally wants it to be over. I mean, in real life, who doesn't want to get over an important exam or presentation?😆 So, I get it. For Shravan, even though he has said that even he wants to pack up his bags and move from Bhopal, Suman still affects him more because he's just being somewhat ignorant of the help Suman is providing whether it is repairing the window or offering medical advice. I like that they toned down the behavior to what was shown on the first day of the leap at least making her somewhat more considerate towards people and it was just that it will irritate her if a patient becomes ziddi so that is okay with me for now.

With each episode I can't help but think that there's nothing more left to their relationship. Suman's trying to move on with Vikram and Shravan believes all girls are cheaters. They both wish they didn't come across each other again, and it makes me wish the same. Wish that they finish their stuff here and never have to face the painful memories of each other again. Makes me believe that their love really was childish. LOL, I don't think Shravan thinks that all girls are cheaters here as of now. He's thinking about what the aftermath would be of getting into a relationship where everything looks so dream coming true and it was all shattered after a tragic incident. 😆LOL, you're making shravan so pathar-dil yaar. LOL jk but yes its better at this point to finish up the long overdue ordeal. Also, their love wasn't childish. It was true but didn't have the proper finish or support at that point. 😆Because both came from two different worlds and POVs, and when they fell in love, they didn't care for the other person's BG. The tragic incident reminded them of the difference again but this time in a more harsher way. However, Suman seems to mellowed over from the army vs civilian persona and requires time to understand the person more properly here.

I don't want to think or feel that way about this love story but the way Suvan's relationship developed pre and post leap it all seems immature. Too quick and not meant to be. Pre-leap, even if they had showed one proper fight and argument between Suvan and how they dealt with it to get back together, we would have seen the depth of their love. But really I can't seem to find a strong base to their relationship, it was all just lovey-dovey. The story was scattered all over places and the prime reason is because of COVID19 they had to adjust the story line and keep the essence in tact but with limited capacity so again blame the timing or whatever but if COVID19 was not around then we would definitely have seen a more proper continuation from the pre lockdown episodes thats why the play, blood donation, shravan getting suman's apology etc weren't shown properly. 😆Also, truth hurts but TRPs have to be considered. I also for once wished to see if they really fought over and got over it quickly and this would make em realize the depth too but timing is main factor.

I feel if CVs want to convince the audience that Suvan are really 'banne ek duje ke vaaste', they will have to make Suvan fall in love again as adults (rather than have them rekindle their childhood love which was way too shallow). And I think it is going that way, because so far I don't see them still being madly in love with each other. CVs might show that although Suvan want to move on, army duties will force them to hang out together during which they will fall in love again but this time with a stronger foundation of maturity. I'll take that as a 'made for each other' love story. Yes, but it's just a start and like 1-2 weeks only into the leap so lets give em more time here.😆LOL, I don't wanna be so berahem in the inception of the leap.

For now, for me, Suvan aren't meant to be. But I so wish that like the army school phase, CVs again go through the long process of making them connect and fall in love. And I am eager to see how CVs can convince the audience that Suvan can fall in love again. LOL, the handshake CO made em do is equivalent to the handshake when they were forced to be buddies so I'm seeing potential but its just 1-2 weeks so I'll let it go till mid October or late october. If things are still being repeated, then I'll rethink this statement.🤣

Originally posted by: Anee2

It's been a week since Suvan's first meeting post-leap, and the story is still stuck right there.

Nothing has changed, in our understanding of the past 7 years, in the development of the present-day case, in the propagation of army life, and definitely not in the clarification of Suvan's feelings. The writers may be thinking that this uncertainty and confusion will force people to keep watching out of curiosity, but really I think they're distancing the viewers from the characters.

And Suvan are getting nowhere. We see more scenes of them alone than together, doing other things with other people. When they are together there's little depth to the scene or dialogues or it's cut short so as a viewer I don't feel anything. They don't come off as 'two wounded souls who are still so much in love that they crave for each other but whenever they meet they are desperate to hurt the other as they have been hurt". Rather they come off as "ex-bf and gf who are forced to remember their happy memories together but can't stand each other and are desperate to never move on". I don't see their love, just a painful void where love used to be.

With each episode I can't help but think that there's nothing more left to their relationship. Suman's trying to move on with Vikram and Shravan believes all girls are cheaters. They both wish they didn't come across each other again, and it makes me wish the same. Wish that they finish their stuff here and never have to face the painful memories of each other again. Makes me believe that their love really was childish.

I don't want to think or feel that way about this love story but the way Suvan's relationship developed pre and post leap it all seems immature. Too quick and not meant to be. Pre-leap, even if they had showed one proper fight and argument between Suvan and how they dealt with it to get back together, we would have seen the depth of their love. But really I can't seem to find a strong base to their relationship, it was all just lovey-dovey.

I feel if CVs want to convince the audience that Suvan are really 'banne ek duje ke vaaste', they will have to make Suvan fall in love again as adults (rather than have them rekindle their childhood love which was way too shallow). And I think it is going that way, because so far I don't see them still being madly in love with each other. CVs might show that although Suvan want to move on, army duties will force them to hang out together during which they will fall in love again but this time with a stronger foundation of maturity. I'll take that as a 'made for each other' love story.

For now, for me, Suvan aren't meant to be. But I so wish that like the army school phase, CVs again go through the long process of making them connect and fall in love. And I am eager to see how CVs can convince the audience that Suvan can fall in love again.

To be honest, there is a part of me that agrees. I think after seeing them so deeply in love it is hard to understand how they got to this point where they can't stand to be in the same room as each other. I would have preferred to have seen more softness by now. We saw that one scene from Suman where she was concerned for hurting Shravan but that was it. Since then it's just been Shravan in angry man mode. I get that its supposed to be his defence mechanism but I need to see more flashes of softness to feel like the love is still there. Without that it is easy to start questioning whether the love was something genuine or just a childish emotion. To be fair, I think that is relatable to couples who break up in real life but usually we don't think of those couples as meant to be.

So I agree the writers need to prove to us why they think this couple is meant to be. The problem is the writers have given them such a deep problem to overcome that the relationship really needs to be worth it in order to feel that way. For Suman, to be in this relationship again opens up the emotions of betraying her father. In some ways it would actually just be easier to move on with someone like Vikram. So we need to see what they would be missing out on if they move on with other people. I don't think they need to fall in love again but I do think we need to see the love and care is there underneath the superficial veneer.

I haven’t seen the episode today

But.....

agree - there are lots of gaps and wierd character development post leap. Sumo doesn’t “click” with me.

Shravan feeling cheated I can relate to. He felt she didn’t give him the benefit of the doubt.

There’s been little movement in the story line also - so I agree the serial is kinda flagging now. Let’s see if the CVs do better but if it’s more of this week after week — not going to see the online TRP stay high.

They have to fall in love again - whether it’s from the shared happy memories is uncertain UNLESS case closes. If the army mission results is rekindling — it won’t go anywhere if the case isn’t sorted.

so how do they fall in love as adults again???? A third angle to motivate jealousy sounds absurd to me - it may only cause more hurt !

my 2 cents ..... so I hope the CVs patch this together soon !!!!!!

Originally posted by: Kaira4ever

I haven’t seen the episode today

But.....

agree - there are lots of gaps and wierd character development post leap. Sumo doesn’t “click” with me.

Shravan feeling cheated I can relate to. He felt she didn’t give him the benefit of the doubt.

There’s been little movement in the story line also - so I agree the serial is kinda flagging now. Let’s see if the CVs do better but if it’s more of this week after week — not going to see the online TRP stay high.

They have to fall in love again - whether it’s from the shared happy memories is uncertain UNLESS case closes. If the army mission results is rekindling — it won’t go anywhere if the case isn’t sorted.

so how do they fall in love as adults again???? A third angle to motivate jealousy sounds absurd to me - it may only cause more hurt !

my 2 cents ..... so I hope the CVs patch this together soon !!!!!!

@bold. I'm the opposite on that. I don't understand how you not giving me the benefit of the doubt should be allowed to outweigh you losing your father. So I just don't relate to Shravan at all.

I have seen this scenario play out many times in tv shows and they have never really shown that. Usually the significant other always understands the other person was in pain.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Yes, I get that they should've shown whether they were able rethink over this or not so a gap is there but him calling suman a dhokebaaz and thinking that all are like her, that was just extreme. Yes, Suman did say it in the wrong way but the justification that only Suman was responsible for dhokebaazi doesn't fit the bill. He bought it up when she was just not in the right frame of mind. How come he overlooked this so easily? So, the whole speech was just vague yesterday. Yes, it would've been nice to see em connect the dots but there wasn't much evidence at the point to prove this. Also, the case getting stretched out for 7 years either makes one think why is Devraj still being held responsible for this case because if they wanted, he could've been released early on if there were no evidence to prove that he was directly involved- then maybe I too would've supported his POV a bit more. But, at this point, I'm just seeing that he's still stuck in the past & continuing to remind Suman his reason in today's episode when she was offering to help initially.

I'm sorry, but what? SHRAVAN is now being BLAMED for feeling betrayed by Sumo? For REAL? 😆

Let's recap since I feel that the breakup scene seems to be fading from people's memories here:

1) Shravan came to Suman's house to console her - not choosing the "perfect" way to console her is NOT a betrayal.

2) He was in shock over his dad being accused and arrested and mentioned to her that he can't believe people think his father is a traitor.

3) Suman told him she doesn't want to talk right now....she already seemed detached from him since she was replaying in her head that her dad didn't want her to be with Shravan....so let's note WHO first started considering breaking off the relationship - btw breaking a relationship IS a betrayal

4) Shravan made the mistake - please note MISTAKE is not the same as BETRAYAL....Shravan made the mistake of continuing to talk to Suman after that....and all he said were a couple of lines about saying you know my dad could never do this, right? Simply pleading for his dad's innocence when he too is in shock is NOT a betrayal.

5) Suman in turn LASHED out at him - a) telling him she DOESN'T believe him, doesn't trust him (both fall under the umbrella of betraying his trust in HER) b) telling him HE was about to ruin her life by being in a relationship with her (again, a betrayal of his love and trust in her) and c) calling his dad a TRAITOR (again, making accusations without proof - so again, a betrayal of his trust)

6) Finally, and in the ultimate and most definitive act of betrayal, SUMAN broke off the relationship....please note that SUMAN broke off the relationship, NOT Shravan and threw him out.

I would love to find a person who would NOT feel betrayed after ALL this.....lol the relationship was broken off by Suman in such brutal terms and Shravan shouldn't even feel betrayed? WOW😆....instead HE'S expected to play nice after how SHE behaved with him? 😆....after going through all this, he isn't even allowed to be "stuck in this past"?

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I'm sorry, but what? SHRAVAN is now being BLAMED for feeling betrayed by Sumo? For REAL? 😆

Let's recap since I feel that the breakup scene seems to be fading from people's memories here:

1) Shravan came to Suman's house to console her - not choosing the "perfect" way to console her is NOT a betrayal.

2) He was in shock over his dad being accused and arrested and mentioned to her that he can't believe people think his father is a traitor.

3) Suman told him she doesn't want to talk right now....she already seemed detached from him since she was replaying in her head that her dad didn't want her to be with Shravan....so let's note WHO first started considering breaking off the relationship - btw breaking a relationship IS a betrayal

This is an interpretation though not fact. She just said I don't want to talk about this right now.. go from here.. which is very reasonable in that circumstance. You are ascribing a motivation to her which is your interpretation. Whether you are right or wrong in the interpretation is irrelevant because Shravan as a character doesn't know that and there should not be seeing this as a betrayal.

4) Shravan made the mistake - please note MISTAKE is not the same as BETRAYAL....Shravan made the mistake of continuing to talk to Suman after that....and all he said were a couple of lines about saying you know my dad could never do this, right? Simply pleading for his dad's innocence when he too is in shock is NOT a betrayal.

You are forgetting the next line he said to her.. how could you do this to my dad. That in of itself is a betrayal to her. She chose him over her dad and now her dad is dead, possibly because of his and he is asking her how she could do this to his. To me that would feel like a betrayal to Suman. In her mind she screwed up with her dad for him so badly only to see Shravan side with his dad at the expense of justice for hers.

5) Suman in turn LASHED out at him - a) telling him she DOESN'T believe him, doesn't trust him (both fall under the umbrella of betraying his trust in HER) b) telling him HE was about to ruin her life by being in a relationship with her (again, a betrayal of his love and trust in her) and c) calling his dad a TRAITOR (again, making accusations without proof - so again, a betrayal of his trust)

6) Finally, and in the ultimate and most definitive act of betrayal, SUMAN broke off the relationship....please note that SUMAN broke off the relationship, NOT Shravan and threw him out.

I would love to find a person who would NOT feel betrayed after ALL this.....lol the relationship was broken off by Suman in such brutal terms and Shravan shouldn't even feel betrayed? WOW😆....instead HE'S expected to play nice after how SHE behaved with him? 😆....after going through all this, he isn't even allowed to be "stuck in this past"?

No he isn't. Because very clearly he could see that she was not in the right frame of mind. If I were in Shravan's position and I believed my dad's innocence, I would say she is in pain. I would be hurt and upset. But I wouldn't feel betrayed. I would feel bad for the hurt she was feeling. I wouldn't be selfish and worry about what basically amounts to my ego being hurt.

So maybe this is a legitimate disagreement where both sides feel justified to their feelings of betrayal.

Originally posted by: malikakas

This is an interpretation though not fact. She just said I don't want to talk about this right now.. go from here.. which is very reasonable in that circumstance. You are ascribing a motivation to her which is your interpretation. Whether you are right or wrong in the interpretation is irrelevant because Shravan as a character doesn't know that and there should not be seeing this as a betrayal.

Wrong. Suman was clearly shown flashbacking to her dad saying Shravan is not right for her and the fact that the scene culminated in her saying this very thing to him shows that her mind was building up to it. So no, it's not "interpretation". It's analysis based on what was shown pretty explicitly in the scene. You seem to be the one ignoring whichever portions don't jive with your interpretation of Suman.

Suman was the one who ultimately broke the relationship and threw Shravan out so brutally but he was the one expected to ignore EVERYTHING she said cuz she was in grief? That makes him SELFISH? This level of "magnanimity" is expected from a mere boy of 17? If the roles were reversed, would Suman have given this much "benefit of doubt" to Shravan as he called her dad a traitor and threw her out? I doubt it. She was always blind to her father.....would she be justified then too?

I@malikakas understand what you are saying but after the initial pain is over —- you may also consider that

a) Shravan is not his dad If his dad was responsible

B) She and Shravan decided to rebel and leave home so yes she feels guilty but that is not Shravan’s fault either

so it did seem to him as a betrayal of trust in him —

Especially as she simply BROKE up rudely with no explanation - no conversation — nothing !!

notwithstanding —- the point remains that the path back to love isn’t clear now ....

Trusting Suman is next to impossible for Shravan - she’s going to have to earn it and theNsome !!

And if Shravan is going to have to see the court rule in his dad’s favor, he is still going to resent having gone through this

from Suman’s point of view —— she’s going to have to realize she punished Shravan — even if his dad made a mistake/ or committed a crime — or whatever!

That’s why I feel this is not a typical serial situation where a 3rd wheel jealousy track will change anything reasonably for the positive .... but hey, maybe ones expecting too much!