Nothing, Nowhere, No more...so convince us - Page 6

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

@Bold : I get that. But I'm not saying ke he needs to Keep Vijay above his father. No one would ever. That is too much for a son. What I meant is somewhere an absence of Vijay can be felt by him and he can still stand and support his father. Sorry I don't know how to frame it right. Not even expecting him to sense that since it's been hardly a week since he has arrived.

Originally posted by: SharmiliBandhi

Hmm yes, there is no point to expect unless a sudden variation appears once in a blue moon. 😆Playing the whole victim card game with Suman as the punching bag that losing everything in her life was because of SHRAVAN'S INFLUENCE. Yeah okay writers do a better job please.😆

Whoever is omnipresent person here, I don't know. But both are individuals with equal right to display whatever emotion they want or whatever opinion they want to form. To each of his own so expecting only Shravan to initiate the step is really wrong. In that case, even Suman should do it too. When Suman is not ready to budge, then why should Shravan waste his energy? Exact thing for Suman, so if he's no longer interested in pursuing her, then why should she waste her energy on? Already enough has been wasted on the court case and now the injury to add onto it, so it won't be easy leap of faith.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

I do agree here that a step of initiation is required from both parties especially in a more mature manner. But when both think beyond their hatred, & if the writers don't show it, then I'll take my word back.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

For this, I'll note one thing is that he has to let go of the harbored hatred one day. Only then he'll develop a sort of feeling of understanding of the lessons Vijay taught him about the army life. Right now, he's already consumed with so many things on his mind & his hatred for Tiwaris has somewhat affected it. He needs to overcome this situation. Whether love happens or not at the time only the writers/episodes will tell, but at this point, I'll just have to say he has to let go of the hatred & so does Suman too. Constant death staring, taunting, & all won't do the job I feel. A catalyst is required.

Those taunts are somehow making me feel weird that these two loved each other so much at point of time. Lol.

Yes, they both need to mature up a bit and makers rather show their dedication towards serving the country and their ambitious selves.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Since this is a "love story"😆, obviously both Shravan and Suman will get together ultimately. Despite all the stupidity and nonsense being shown currently, the only thing that would make them whole and happy again is each other.

All that remains to be seen is how that is executed....and sadly based on the post leap track record, it doesn't look like we can expect a good execution....they will show some half-baked reason for them "reuniting" however that happens. I will definitely feel irritated if they whitewash Suman's behavior from that day and try to pretend like it was all Shravan's fault. But anyways, it is what it is now.....writers have mostly lost it.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I would actually say we all react emotionally in our own ways.....I WANT to feel for the overall tragedy of SS ka situation but the writing is so bad that I'm mostly left unconvinced or irritated. Only thing I didn't get was why Shravan wasn't allowed to feel betrayed after what happened so I just responded mainly about that. Sorry if I came on too strong😆

@bold: Honestly, this "all women are dhokebaaz" line IS super cliched and something I'm not happy with being shown on Shravan either. But on a basic level, Shravan having loved Suman that deeply and getting betrayed so harshly makes it technically understandable why he would start to feel mistrustful of women in general. He had such a bad experience that he's started generalizing. Women tend to do it too if they go through a bad relationship.

I wish the writers would write this story better than resorting to such typical cliches but I guess they don't want to bother right now😕.....there is so much more they could show in terms of nuance but all they do in every epi is the same repetitive anger and bitterness scenes.

Same goes for Suman, like it is her wish if wants to move ahead in life be it with Vikram or whoever. I know the writers will dramatize it but I guess I got a bit more emotional and mixed it up with some rationality. 😆

Completely agree with you.I was super excited for leap but they disappointed me 😭

Ok wow, such a passionate discussion this became.

I do agree that I've always seen an imbalance in the relationship with Suman leading the way and Shravan being the more devoted one. I don't want to get into whose fault it was, whose actions are justified etc. because I thnk that people react according to their personality and values, not according to the logistics of the situation. So it's not fair to blame either for being who they are as a person. In a relationship there can't be any expectations that the other will change or behave in some way because you really have no control over that. If you want to love someone more than your life, go ahead, but you can't force them to give you that same priority. If they don't prioritize you and you're okay with that, your one-sided love will pull the relationship along (and Shravan accepted that initially when Suman didn't reciprocate love). If they don't prioritize you and you can't handle being the only one holding on, let the person go. Shravan feels she didn't even try to hold on to their relation after her father's death, and then he didn't have the strength to hold on alone with his own family issues. And that's totally okay from both sides. No point in blaming her and burning in the memories of what could have been because that will get him nowhere sane. Shravan will really mature if he can accept that Suman reacted in a certain way and if he didn't like it then she wasn't the right one for him. I've had this experience with a former best friend, and I've learnt that you should go to the extent in a relationship that makes you happy, for as long as it makes you happy. I still talk to her and even remember fondly the good times we shared, but we've moved on gracefully. I know how much time and effort to invest in our talks, and where to draw the line emotionally.

But regarding what I said about their love being childish, I didn't mean that it wasn't genuine, but rather that it lacked the foundation of maturity, experience, and most importantly time (I think them running away was the really a trigger point for me, where I believe if they were more older and mature they would have found another solution or considered a long-distance relationship - love gives strength to push through problems like distance or time). But Suvan hadn't had a chance to see even a glimpse of the other's worst behaviour or weakest point. So it was impossible for such a new-found love to survive this type of tragedy. I believe love is a spectrum and it changes definition and depth in a relationship with time, just look at any successfully married old couple.

Overall I don't think anything is wrong with Suman and Shravan's young love, or their reactions to each other now. I think we all recognize that Time was the biggest problem and Covid19 was the reason. CVs had to wrap up pre-leap early, that's fine. But that short-cut portrayed Suvan's actions and love in a certain way that I don't think can be undone. Especially, like a few of you mentioned, with the complexity of Colonel Tiwari's death, Devraj's reputation and the ongoing case.

It would be so unrealistic if they show Suvan suddenly go back to their old love once the case is over or something. Also I believe you never really stop caring for someone you loved or forget the connection you had. A little part of your heart stays reserved for them, but that doesn't mean you're not able to move on or love someone else more. I think Suvan being soft to each other like asking 'dard hua' or remembering sweet moments doesn't mean the love is intact. Love requires respect and trust which is clearly absent.

So CVs should just stick to what they have right now and move forward. Let Suvan become mature enough to move on, which we actually saw a glimpse of today with Suman-Vikram relation and Basi's advice to Shravan (if moving on means 3rd, 4th angle then fine. Just don't make it a cliched jealousy track please). Wrap up the case (omg just hurry up with this). Let Suvan heal their wounds slowly. Then let Suvan become colleagues and gradually fall in love again. I don't think that's too hard a job for CVs to give justice to the relationship.