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Lakshmi

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: _Vrish_
Okay, syncing this thread w/ the serial a bit, can anyone fill us in about when Revathy married Balaram, and the circumstances of their wedding? Did they marry b4 Krishna/Rukmini, or after a few of Krishna's marraiges? Did Revathy have any other suitors?

Revathy's father, Raivata wanted a perfect man as husband for her. So he went to Brahmaji with his daughter. It is said that Brahmaji was taking a nap. So he thought not to disturb him and waited patiently. After sometime when Brahamaji woke up Raivata told the intention of his arrival. Brahamji told that thousands of years have passed and his kingdom and relatives doesn't exist on earth because the years in Brahamlok are very much different from the years on earth. Brahmaji told that the perfect husband for Revathy would be Balaram. Raivata obeys Brahmaji's orders and requests Balaram to marry her. He accepts the proposal. But there was another problem. That is the height of Revathy was very much higher than Balaram because she was from an earlier yug. So Balram with the help of his halayudh reduced her height and then married her. Hope this helps😊

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Lakshmi

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: ...PARiNA...
@Thanks Vish

@lakshmin: yeah i know that ... after this incidence Krishna said that ur like my sister now coz she wrapped cloth on His wrist (like a Rakhi) but my question was not this ... Was Draupri cursed in her previous life that thing like vashraharana will happend with her
Like Ram / Krishna took birth not just to kill Ravan or kans it was coz Vishunji was cursed

I don't think she is cursed. There is very less possibility of someone to curse saying that she will have to face such an insult in front of everyone. Any way I am not sure. Old people can give any sort of curse😉

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Rajesh

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Jai Shri Krishna..

Upon Draupadi's emergence a divine voice said she would be the reason for the destruction of the Kauravas. When Draupadi grew to be a young woman she was considered very beautiful, mainly for her glowing dark skin, large dark eyes and graceful figure.

It is believed that Goddess Kali had given a part of her powers to her, for the destruction of the Kauravas. As Drupada was the ruler of the kingdom of Panchala, Draupadi was also known as Paanchali. She was named by Brahmanas as "Krsn" due to her radiant dusky skin {the Lord Krishna was also dark-skinned) and is very often referred to and addressed by this name in the Mahabharata.

Drupada intended that Arjuna alone win the hand of his daughter. Upon hearing of the Pandavaas' supposed death at Varanavata he set up a swayamvar for Draupadi intending to bring Arjuna out into the open. The princes vying for Draupadi's hand had to shoot 5 arrows at a revolving target, while looking only at its reflection in a bowl. Drupada was confident that Arjuna alone could accomplish this task. Arriving with his brothers disguised as brahmins, Arjuna successfully tackles the target. He and his brothers also defeat the other suitors who attack them, enraged at a brahmin winning a Kshatriya princess's hand.

While in exile, Kunti, mother of the Pandavas often advised her sons that they share everything they have (or obtain through Bhiksha i.e. alms) equally amongst themselves. Upon returning home with Draupadi, Arjuna addresses his mother first "Look mother, I have brought Bhiksha (alms)!". Kunti, unmindful of what Arjuna was referring to, unassumingly asked her son to share whatever it is with his brothers. Thus, in order to obey their mother's order all five accepted Draupadi as their wife. This is fraternal polyandry.

According to another source, when Sage Vyasa visits the family, he explains to Draupadi that her unique position as the wife of five brothers results from a certain incident in her previous birth. She had in that lifetime prayed to Lord Shiva to grant her a husband with five desired qualities. Lord Shiva, pleased with her devotion, tells her that it is very difficult to get a husband with all five qualities that she desired. But she sticks to her ground and asks for the same. Then Lord Shiva grants her wish saying that she would get the same in her next birth. Hence she gets married to five brothers each who represents a given quality.

Kauravas considered Pandavas their enemies..Cheerharan was main reason of Mahabharat...

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ghotalaz

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Thanks for this thread Vrish...

I'll bring my question here...

The version of Mahabharat shown here was quite different from the BRC version of Mahabharat. The part where I recall is in the BRC version, after Karan's death Kunti goes & cries in the battle field & Yudhisthir on learning the truth curses all the women that they'll never be able to hide anything(I hope I'm right). In the Sagar version, nothing like that was shown, in fact Krishna had to persuade Kunti to reveal the truth & then once Kunti told them Karan was their brother Krishna took over the discussion & defended Kunti & Karan. What actually happened? Any info guyz?

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Lakshmi

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Posted: 14 years ago

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I will share what I have read in the Mahabharata. In the book it was written that Kunti herself asks her sons to do the final rites for Karna because he was their brother. The Pandavas were shocked to know that the person whom they hated most in the life was their own blood; their elder brother.Yudhishtir is angry at Kunti for hiding the fact and he does say that if they have come to know this earlier the war could have been avoided. He also adds that she made them do such a big sin of killing one's own brother. After knowing the truth Yudhishtir lost interest in being a king and he even thought of disowning the kingdom and going to the forest as a "vanvasi". Bhim was angry at this attitude of Yudhishtir and told him to forget the past and think of the country and its people.

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Vrish

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Vik

BRC was a fiction piece, and nothing illustrated it better than this aspect. In the real Mahabharata, it was only after the war, when everybody's funerals were taking place, that Kunti fearing that Karna would not get a proper funeral, revealed her secret to Yudhisthir & her other sons. Yudhisthir did the rites, but cursed all womankind that they'd never be able to keep a secret 😕

In BRC, you had that ridiculous scene of Bheeshma telling Duryodhan who Karna really was, and Duryodhan forcing the Pandavas to let him do Karna's last rites, instead of them 😡 That was totally made up, and which is why I do not respect BRC. Duryodhan died never knowing who Karna really was. And had Kunti not told her sons, Karna would have received the unknown warriors send-off, nobody knowing any better.

Krishna wasn't a part of that conversation, from what I recall. He let Yudhisthir & Kunti handle that discussion.

When Yudhisthir did his Ashwamedha Yagna, it was in repentence for the killings of Bhishma, Drona, Karna & Shalya. And in heaven, when Yudhisthir was led to some dungeon where he heard his brother's asking him to wait, Karna was among them.

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Vrish

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Okay, I have a new question on Kamsa's wives/Jarasandha's daughters Asti & Prapti. Actually, more than one:

1. Why did Jarasandha give both of them in marriage to Kamsa? Pretty stupid - both got widowed @ the same time. He could have given another to Shalva, or Rukmi, or Dantavakra, or Kalyavan, or whoever - he had no shortage of vassals and allies.

2. Once Kamsa was dead, how did his widows end up in Magadha? They were still bahus of Ugrasena, so shouldn't they have just stayed there? Or did they view Krishna as an enemy and ask to leave? And if they did, wasn't it strange of Ugrasena to allow them to leave and instigate their father to start a war on their sasural, instead of keeping them & looking after them? Maybe we could have had an ancient nanand-bhabi tiff b/w Asti/Prapti vs Devaki/Rohini 😈

3. Did Jarasandha have more daughters - after his death, didn't he have a daughter who married Madri's son Sahadev?

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Lakshmi

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Posted: 14 years ago

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1. Why did Jarasandha give both of them in marriage to Kamsa? Pretty stupid - both got widowed @ the same time. He could have given another to Shalva, or Rukmi, or Dantavakra, or Kalyavan, or whoever - he had no shortage of vassals and allies.
There is a story about Jarasandh marrying his daughters to Kans. Kans was very powerful man and he had an elephant that had the strength of thousand elephants. One day to show his strength he took the elephant in hand and threw it. The elephant fell in front of Jarasandh's palace. Jarasandh was impressed by the strength of the person who threw the elephant and asked his soldiers to find about him. He was happy to know about Kans and he married his two daughters to Kans. May be his other allies must have failed to impress Jarasandh and it was Kans who was able to impress and marry his both daughters. Marrying sisters to the same house was a common thing those days.

2. Once Kamsa was dead, how did his widows end up in Magadha? They were still bahus of Ugrasena, so shouldn't they have just stayed there? Or did they view Krishna as an enemy and ask to leave? And if they did, wasn't it strange of Ugrasena to allow them to leave and instigate their father to start a war on their sasural, instead of keeping them & looking after them? Maybe we could have had an ancient nanand-bhabi tiff b/w Asti/Prapti vs Devaki/Rohini 😈
I think Jarasandh might have considered that all the people in Madhura as enemies of Kans. All the confidant's of Kans were killed by Krishna he might have thought that his daughters are no more safe in Madura and might have called them back. And everyone in Madura including Ugrasena were imprisoned by Kans. So no one might have felt bad for the death of Kans. Kans is the husband of Asti and Prapti. A women like Mandodari couldn't forgive Ram for killing Ravan. So you can imagine that Asti and Pranti would be never able to forgive Krishna for that. They might have considered that Jarasandh is the only one who can kill Krishna and might have left for Magadha. How ever cruel the husband is; for women of those days "pati" was "Parameswar".

3. Did Jarasandha have more daughters - after his death, didn't he have a daughter who married Madri's son Sahadev?
I don't know about another daughter. But he had a son called Sahadev who was crowned the king of Magadha by Krishna after the death of Jarasandh

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Lakshmi

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: _Vrish_
Vik

BRC was a fiction piece, and nothing illustrated it better than this aspect. In the real Mahabharata, it was only after the war, when everybody's funerals were taking place, that Kunti fearing that Karna would not get a proper funeral, revealed her secret to Yudhisthir & her other sons. Yudhisthir did the rites, but cursed all womankind that they'd never be able to keep a secret 😕

In BRC, you had that ridiculous scene of Bheeshma telling Duryodhan who Karna really was, and Duryodhan forcing the Pandavas to let him do Karna's last rites, instead of them 😡 That was totally made up, and which is why I do not respect BRC. Duryodhan died never knowing who Karna really was. And had Kunti not told her sons, Karna would have received the unknown warriors send-off, nobody knowing any better.

Krishna wasn't a part of that conversation, from what I recall. He let Yudhisthir & Kunti handle that discussion.

When Yudhisthir did his Ashwamedha Yagna, it was in repentence for the killings of Bhishma, Drona, Karna & Shalya. And in heaven, when Yudhisthir was led to some dungeon where he heard his brother's asking him to wait, Karna was among them.

Pandavas comes to know that Karn was their brother only after the war ended. It was Yudhister who was very sad about it. Arjun was also sad because he was the one who killed Karn and he had hated Karn all his life. There is no role for Krishna while Kunti revealed the truth. It was just a mother-sons conversation. But Bhim and Draupadi were not at all sad for what had happened. Draupadi couldn't forgive Karn and Kauravas and she was rather angry with the change in attitude of Yudishtir.

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