Kudos to Shivani today *Claps* - Page 5

Originally posted by: dhakarn

Completely agree... shivani is straight in ur face...doesn't know how to pretend... where as raghu i have seen doing things behind her back... whatever the reasons...

N raghu has insulted her publicly ... many times... is it not insult to her as a wife in what he did at the party...? Pity she didn't take it as an insult... he left her alone in the night n came back n calls her a job in front of a stranger ...iis that not an insult? He goes n marries a sec time n brings the bride in full view of society n family infront of her...n doesn't even clear the reason properly but play with his words n says that he told babiji abouf it when actually it was a bet...was it not insult to her as a wife...

Shivani's insults of raghu stemmed from her belief that he is bad n a villian... raghu knows how innocent shivani is n is not liking what he is doing but is still continuing to hurt her...there lies the diff...

Originally posted by: jyoti06

Actually thats where I find both equal when it comes to being flawed ... Shivani insulted Raghu because she believed he is a villain that time thanks to all the brainwashing that was done whereas Raghu's insult to Shivani last week in front of Karan took place because he believed he is doing for her happiness ...

It about what both believed in those respective situations .. their belief itself was wrong in both cases ...

Originally posted by: dhakarn

Superb post jyoti ... 😃

going through some of the posts , decided to post here in this page ...I am not here to find fault with a particular character all the time n point out how other members view the show n support whom but to discuss the show n the characters...

shivani was excellent yesterday ... she was not at all arrogant , but was hurt n pained but determined n oozed self respect n dignity ... even when she was doing what her unrequited love wanted her to do... she had the decency of applying for divorce bfore going for sec marriage n she did it in style ... its entirely another matter what will happen when she finds out that she had been cheated on the marriage bet n her husband 'faked' sec marriage to hoodwink her to agree for his, actually hers, condition n lose the bet ...

her lover didn't accept her heart n threw it away at his feet n she went on to throw the 'last rites' of their never-there relation on his feet ... there's a famous quote in malayalam from a film 'thirichukittatha sneham manassinte vingalaanu' ...roughly means unrequited love is a permanant wound in your heart... whatever she did n said today was in tune with her wounded heart... if she wanted she could have told everybody why she was marrying karan n exposed raghu's behind-her-back games n all (which i am not sure she knows even) n his 'indirect pushing' towards karan , bust she didn't ... that shows her dignity... n her every action was for raghu only... he wanted this to happen ... not she... she is doing exactly what he wants her to do... some malkin she is... she is so helpless in love...

she wants him n only him to be happy ... n so the words to karan... everything she told karan was to make raghu happy ... the 'naukar- poverty- can't-live-here' lines were never hers ... it was his ... n she told them to karan for his sake ... in all this both of them r not thinking of anyone else, but eachother... as i said in my 'let me prove my point' post , shivani is doing all this to prove her point that 'her win is in giving him happiness , not getting him for herself...' ... i strongly believe that she has believed what sumitra said to her about the SR... that's why she was shocked when raghu kind of confirmed it by telling her 'now i am kept my promise , u do urs...' just after she met sumitra

I agree .. I too felt whatever she did like throwing divorce papers on his feet was more of her hurt .. she was carrying deep wounds inside as a lover who got only rejection from her man and so that hurt and pain came out in her actions ...

Tomorrow when Raghu falls in love and gets similar rejection from Shivani , I bet he will go the violent route too and will forget all the decency ... we can see its trailor already in that spoiler picture which has come out when he is not exactlly in love but the feel of possessiveness is slowly getting in and he goes onto hold Karan's collar

Shivani might come out looking blunt from her actions but actually she took it on herself when she said she will marry Karan and noone even comes to know it was originally Raghu's wish ... then she spoke about the whole naukar bit to Karan only to satisfy Raghu because thats what he wanted to hear from her ... Even here she ends up playing with Karan's feelings which is wrong of course but she does it for Raghu ... so her love for Raghu is so unconditional and mayb she does not realise that in the process she is ending up playing with someone else's emotions ..

n raghu too is only thinking of her... he doesn't mind that she is going to marry karan after she made it clear to him that she will love him only for all her life... his point to prove is 'to give happiness n comfort to her which he can't provide...' 'she will he happy later...' ...which is wavering a bit as we can see... he is not liking what he is doing n is doubtful n wants to reassure himself that whatever he is doing will make her happy eventually ... that's why he is having those self talks with maliksa, the god like figure in his heart ... bec he can see her pain ... but now that he heard her recite his 'words' to karan , i think he is believing that may be she will be happy... he felt bitter... but swallowed it ...

I agree .. Raghu is doing the same too .. his caring attitide towards Shivani is so unconditional that mayb in the process he is ending up playing Sumi and Karan's emotions .. but he does not care as Shivani is his first priority in this case ...

n i saw an interesting 'V' formation in the hall during the first half ... in that maya, sumi n ginni were on the opposite side of shivani , meaning they will always stand against her ... baburan n vivek r ever fluctuating but on her side in this scenario ... rupesh was standing apart , meaning he is a cunning observer , never in the field but planning the moves ...

how will renuka know of the new development ? will rupesh tell her?

Originally posted by: awida

Nice analysis Jyoti. And nice discussions by all.I too felt bad for Raghu. He was just doing what Maliksa ordered him to do. He just wanted Shivani to be happy . I am sure if Shivani comes to know about Raghu's fake marriage, and his motives after all what he did she'll be very happy , coz no one will do this for you unless he loves you more than himself. It's not a man -woman love , not about desires, it's like parental love. Caring, understanding, sacrifice, and protection. It is unconditional love.

Originally posted by: poiu123

I think there have been a lot of discussions already abt how Raghu insulted his wife, played games, broke her heart etc. How he does notknow themeaning of marriage etc. But I would like to know what marriage , what husbandand what wife.
The foundation of this marriage was fake. Shivani used Raghu and took advantage of his extreme and sometimes unnatural loyalty and made him agree to marry her tosave herself from abhi. If raghu's marriage to sumi wasfake ,then this marriagewas aninsult because they actually got married in the temple without giving respect to the sacred vows. So lets not compare this "marriage" toa normal marriage. And Raghu 's responsibilies to a normal husband's responsibilities. Shivani continued to stay as his wife after the Abhichapter for her Daaju's property. So just because she has fallen in love with him and wants this husband wiferelation in name to be real , does she expect Raghu tofall inline with herwishes ? Also it was she as well who promised sumithat this marriage was only for show and raghu will marry her.
Shivani went back on her words. Raghuonly had maliksa'promise in mind and continued to regard the marriage as not real as it was meant to be. Thats his pov. I dont find anything wrong in it and continue to support him. As for him trying to hook up shivaniand karan together, he cud not have forced any1 to get married. They are not kids. Karanagreed bec he loves shi. Shi may still not marry karan but she is dng it to spite Raghu.

Originally posted by: jyoti06

@Bold : Actually same can b said about Raghu too na .. just how Karan and Shivani r not kids and marriage is their decision , similarly in Raghu's case too he was not a kid when he decides to marry Shivani in temple to protect her from Abhi knowing well that this will hurt his Maliksa and also it will b betrayal towards Sumitra whom he was suppose to get engaged on that same day ... 🤔


Raghu decides to marry Shivani in temple on his own wish .. Shivani and Jas-Mahima only made a request to him and it was upto him ,whom he wants to b more loyal .. towards his Maliksa or towards his babyji and he opted for his babyji over Maliksa there when the irony is today he keeps saying how it was his job for Maliksa who used to pay him though he opted to save babyji that time knowing well that he might loose the job that time 😉 ..

So during Abhi case if Shivani used Raghu , then Raghu too with his own wish prefered to get used to save his babyji thus indirectly going against his Maliksa

same is the case today , Raghu pushed Karan for this marriage and Karan preferred to react to this push because he has hidden feelings for Shivani

I actually see it all human reactions from all ends and everyone commited a blunder or flaw at one point of time 😆

Originally posted by: poiu123

Raghu agreed to a marriage in name only .. not a real marriage. He did not intend to have that relationship with shivani. Shivani did not want a husband wife relationship with raghu at that time either. It was a marriage for show. Why is Raghu being expected to behave like a husband now and consider shi to be his wife, And why is evry1 blaming him for it.
I know evry1 is sympathising with shi in thecurrent situation. I amnot.

Originally posted by: dhakarn

@jyoti : i doubt raghu will face real rejection ...shivani may lash out at him as the woubd is still raw but she can never outrightly reject him ...not from her heart...

I agree , she is head over heels in love with him .. so yup outright rejection might not happen ..

But i wish she would.. raghu must know what he was puttibg her through in hope of her 'happiness'.. i think karan will play a majir role here... if he isneg all the more good...

lets see if he is positive or negative but then if Shivani rejects Raghu in future , it should b on her own .. I dont want her to get influenced by a third party again .. it will b repitation of the first MU track then

Forgot to add : raghu's habit dialog clearly showed that it was not a nauker worrying for his babiji... his feelings run much deeper... hopefully he will realise it soon... i want raghu to fall for shivani rana...n not shivani raghu sehriya...he can make her shivani raghu sehriya later ...

yeah but for that Shivani got to leave his house and get her haveli and property back which I doubt she will 😕

Yes the V ... yes karan is the umpaire ...i think he is the masked villain... if he is piositive now n will turn neg later then shuvani will b respinsible for it...just as raghu resp for sumitra... both rashi r adept at attracting trouble for themselves...

I do feel he might turn negative later .. dunno somehow he dont look cunning right now .. whether he is wearing a mask or not , we need to wait and watch 🤔