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Posted: 11 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Latha.I



So though Shivani's nature might still come out looking like a malkin but no way she wants to present Raghu as culprit when it comes to her marriage with Karan .. she made it look like its her decision ..
actually even if she disclose that it's R's wish for her to marry karan y will R be a culprit...he s only doing something which is good for her...she should have disclosed it...

Raghu culprit in the sense it will make family wonder for sure that why Raghu is so keen on getting Shivani married to Karan .. someone like Ginni will definitely feel the pinch but her grudge will b more on Raghu here and not Shivani if Shivani told everyone that it was Raghu's decision .. I agree that she should hv told it ... at least Ginni would not hv turned another villain 😆

he also bought divorce papers and asked very politely and decently to sign the papers...did not throw on her face...but shivani showed her arrogance again...

I see it more as her hurt .. a person who repeatedly got rejection in love will act frustrated .. Raghu is yet to go through that kind of rejection from a woman because he is yet to fall in love with anyone , the day he falls for Shivani and gets rejection in return , will he still act decently , remains to b seen 🤔

This is where my POV differs...what ever worst condition is a person be...how you act talks abt u r self...let it be anger...frustration...happiness or anything...under stressful conditions how u treat other person talks abt u r own personality...that is where I do not like shivani...she always comes out with extreme behavior...and with R it is always arrogance...she took him for granted...as some one posted here on my comment...shivani always loved R but never respected him...

I can actually say the same about Raghu too .. getting married to Sumi (even if its fake) and bringing her home in absense of his own mother who is suppose to b the world for him was an extreme thing to do as well .. he could hv waited for Latha to b back at least .. what was the hurry ... though Shivani kept the bet , there was no hurry to do it within an hour itself .. so he did do the extreme here just to push Shivani away .. I see both as extremes ... Shivani is nowhere close to perfect and so is Raghu .. they both hv done things in extreme way actually to hurt or push each other .. in fact Raghu's whole logic of groom hunting for Shivani itself is a extreme step taken by him .. he can well reject her love , his wish , but he cannot decide her fate in this case which I feel is a extreme step taken by him ..

So if Shivani's words or her conduct r extreme which I agree , then Raghu's certain actions to become the saviour or decider of someone's fate too is extreme 🤔


of course its not a crime .. but if u dont realise your feelings or dont love the person who loves u , at least set her free without setting any conditions on her .. I would hv preferred if Raghu left the choice of marrying Karan on Shivani instead of indirectly pushing her towards him in reunion party and then declaring it to her as his ultimate wish 🤔 ... Shivani too should not hv gone with that silly condition either ..


NO...NO...NO...he did not push what all he said is that he is not ri8 person for her...a person like karan will keep her happy...he did not utter even a word like marry him...he said karan loves her and waiting for her for long time...ok..indirectly it means to marry him...but asked her to think abt it ...it's not a condition...she then came up with a challenge,,,,,of marrying sumi...in fact she kept the condition if u marry sumi then I will marry karan...

I felt he did push in a way .. exchanging the chit in reunion party to make sure Shivani goes and dances or plays those games with Karan is sort of indirect push only 🤔 ..leaving her at night on road and sending Karan again is a indirect push only ... so mayb he never directly pushed her but he did many indirect things to push her about which Shivani may still not b fully aware

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sheena-


There is no need to apologise...😆

The rule of thumb has been that when women do acts like men that disgust us like cheating, forcing or whatever we as women do have a tendency to defend ourselves...

If a man does the same then we all are disgusted of his behaviour. ... rarely do we try and understand a man psyche...

Here even when Raghu was rejected shivani love we put it down to prejudices and he is not acting like a servant much but not really delve into why he is refusing or truly understanding his pov. ..

Some of it may have been prejudice beliefs and fear but I felt his rejection was always more deeper... The more they said the love word the more he felt suffocated and guilty to love a girl like shivani. ..




@Bold :
Dunno about others , but I did try to understand his psyche and still do actually 😆 .. his rejection is actually a combo of prejudices and guilt ... I said this many times actually that the moment Shivani starts her I m your wife rant or u love me rant , he feels suffocated and guilty which means somewhere his subconscious mind too knows that mayb she is right on it or else why the suffocation or guilt in the first place 🤔...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06




@Bold :
Dunno about others , but I did try to understand his psyche and still do actually 😆 .. his rejection is actually a combo of prejudices and guilt ... I said this many times actually that the moment Shivani starts her I m your wife rant or u love me rant , he feels suffocated and guilty which means somewhere his subconscious mind too knows that mayb she is right on it or else why the suffocation or guilt in the first place 🤔...


I actually didn't mean you...😳

I feel you have given fair analysis to each episode and character. ..

I was just speaking in general terms that we can overlook a man's pov quite easily especially when rejection and love are involved. ..

On a side note, I wonder if we get blind sided by karan and his Mr nice act is just an act... so rashi will be spared the blame. ..😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Sheena : From what I hv experienced is that most woman want the guys to show the authority on women especially if the women craves for the guy .. its human nature .. hv seen it in almost all daily soap forums 😆 .. so when the guy is blamed its because he is not showing the authority on the woman who loves him ...

One can blame it on male dominated society pattern that we follow where men r suppose to b superior one always and so automatically in soaps or films too the women audience and women characters craves for the man to show that right on her ...

And yup I hv my doubts intact on Karan always 😆 .. though I feel right now he mayb genuinely good but future u dunno 😕 .. tomorrow ME might b a decider on Karan 🤔




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Posted: 11 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: Latha.I

yup the slaps for both R and K are still due from her... but u see what ever he does it is never insulting her in public...but the way she throwed the papers 2 day...and the way she made him to dance like joker...as if he has no self respect at all...as if he is no human...and should not have any feelings... did he ever snatched her hand and pushed her on streets and shouted I can never love u leave me...???... these type of behaviors makes a lot of difference in liking a person or not...she could have given the papers to hand also na...



I agree on that front .. but then again its about how we look at it 🤔 ... Shivani does it more openly and so comes out looking blunt whereas Raghu might do the same in a hidden way and so comes out looking more sober but act is more or less same ...


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06



I agree on that front .. but then again its about how we look at it🤔 ... Shivani does it more openly and so comes out looking blunt whereas Raghu might do the same in a hidden way and so comes out looking more sober but act is more or less same ...




Completely agree... shivani is straight in ur face...doesn't know how to pretend... where as raghu i have seen doing things behind her back... whatever the reasons...

N raghu has insulted her publicly ... many times... is it not insult to her as a wife in what he did at the party...? Pity she didn't take it as an insult... he left her alone in the night n came back n calls her a job in front of a stranger ...iis that not an insult? He goes n marries a sec time n brings the bride in full view of society n family infront of her...n doesn't even clear the reason properly but play with his words n says that he told babiji abouf it when actually it was a bet...was it not insult to her as a wife...

Shivani's insults of raghu stemmed from her belief that he is bad n a villian... raghu knows how innocent shivani is n is not liking what he is doing but is still continuing to hurt her...there lies the diff...

Edited by dhakarn - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#39
Superb post jyoti ... 😃
going through some of the posts , decided to post here in this page ...I am not here to find fault with a particular character all the time n point out how other members view the show n support whom but to discuss the show n the characters...
shivani was excellent yesterday ... she was not at all arrogant , but was hurt n pained but determined n oozed self respect n dignity ... even when she was doing what her unrequited love wanted her to do... she had the decency of applying for divorce bfore going for sec marriage n she did it in style ... its entirely another matter what will happen when she finds out that she had been cheated on the marriage bet n her husband 'faked' sec marriage to hoodwink her to agree for his, actually hers, condition n lose the bet ...
her lover didn't accept her heart n threw it away at his feet n she went on to throw the 'last rites' of their never-there relation on his feet ... there's a famous quote in malayalam from a film 'thirichukittatha sneham manassinte vingalaanu' ...roughly means unrequited love is a permanant wound in your heart... whatever she did n said today was in tune with her wounded heart... if she wanted she could have told everybody why she was marrying karan n exposed raghu's behind-her-back games n all (which i am not sure she knows even) n his 'indirect pushing' towards karan , bust she didn't ... that shows her dignity... n her every action was for raghu only... he wanted this to happen ... not she... she is doing exactly what he wants her to do... some malkin she is... she is so helpless in love...
she wants him n only him to be happy ... n so the words to karan... everything she told karan was to make raghu happy ... the 'naukar- poverty- can't-live-here' lines were never hers ... it was his ... n she told them to karan for his sake ... in all this both of them r not thinking of anyone else, but eachother... as i said in my 'let me prove my point' post , shivani is doing all this to prove her point that 'her win is in giving him happiness , not getting him for herself...' ... i strongly believe that she has believed what sumitra said to her about the SR... that's why she was shocked when raghu kind of confirmed it by telling her 'now i am kept my promise , u do urs...' just after she met sumitra
n raghu too is only thinking of her... he doesn't mind that she is going to marry karan after she made it clear to him that she will love him only for all her life... his point to prove is 'to give happiness n comfort to her which he can't provide...' 'she will he happy later...' ...which is wavering a bit as we can see... he is not liking what he is doing n is doubtful n wants to reassure himself that whatever he is doing will make her happy eventually ... that's why he is having those self talks with maliksa, the god like figure in his heart ... bec he can see her pain ... but now that he heard her recite his 'words' to karan , i think he is believing that may be she will be happy... he felt bitter... but swallowed it ...
n i saw an interesting 'V' formation in the hall during the first half ... in that maya, sumi n ginni were on the opposite side of shivani , meaning they will always stand against her ... baburan n vivek r ever fluctuating but on her side in this scenario ... rupesh was standing apart , meaning he is a cunning observer , never in the field but planning the moves ...
how will renuka know of the new development ? will rupesh tell her?
Edited by dhakarn - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice analysis Jyoti. And nice discussions by all.I too felt bad for Raghu. He was just doing what Maliksa ordered him to do. He just wanted Shivani to be happy . I am sure if Shivani comes to know about Raghu's fake marriage, and his motives after all what he did she'll be very happy , coz no one will do this for you unless he loves you more than himself. It's not a man -woman love , not about desires, it's like parental love. Caring, understanding, sacrifice, and protection. It is unconditional love.

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