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Posted: 15 years ago
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So my question is how do you determine which love is pure?


I am no expert but here are my 2 cents:

Love is such a complicated emotion...all the words in the world fail to effectively capture its meaning. And besides, it means something different to everyone anyways.

But love is...just a feeling. And a feeling is the state of your mind at a given moment. How can u decide if a feeling is pure? When you are sad, do u question the purity of your sadness? When you are happy, do u ever stop to think if ur happiness is pure or not? No, because it's just an emotion/feeling...and feelings are just felt. If you thought you shouldn't be feeling a certain way, then does that make it impure? It's the intentions behind that make something pure or impure, not the feelings itself. For example, if someone is in love with a married woman, his feelings are not impure. Perhaps not very healthy but hey, can u really help how you feel? However, if he purposely chooses to seduce her, then his intentions make his feelings impure. Btw, I am not thinking of AR in this example but rather the Keira Knightly story from the movie, Love Actually.

Even though I am partial to SR, I don't think AR love wasn't pure. It's a shame that destiny (lets just leave aside the CVS for the moment and look at this from the story's perspective) separated them.

You mentioned three scenarios/relationships where I feel you question the purity of love.

1. At one point in history, incest was common and widely accepted due to social, cultural, and economic reasons. Nature, however, doesn't seem to favor survival rate of kids from a set of parents with an extremely similar gene pool. There is research that supports the difficulties (like miscarriages) many women in such marriages face. Anyways, over time, the idea has become outdated and taboo. However, if two cousins genuinely fell in love and want to get married, then who am I to decide their happiness? They have the right to live their life on their own terms.

2. Gay/Lesbian Marriages: It's a very controversial issue now only because more people are open to disclosing their sexual affinity publicly. It doesn't mean that gay/lesbian relationships were non-existent. For as long as humanity has been here, these relationships have existed. You only need to look at the sculptures at the Khajuraho Temple in India to know that...why would such erotic images be carved at a temple? I am not asking anyone to change their opinion but to question the beliefs they hold.

3. The Man & the Dolphin: Personally, I find this weird because I would figure you need the consent of the dolphin to get married since marriage is a union between two beings. But again, who am I to say the man's love is impure? Perhaps, his decision to get married befuddles us because marriage in the conventional sense happens between a man and a woman. It doesn't seem natural and yet, there are lots of odd couples in nature too. For example, a horse and a donkey produce a mule. Strange but it happens. Again, who am I to judge as long as the man and the dolphin are happy. 😆

I don't believe in holding someone's happiness to religious and societal rules. However, I do believe in ethics -- in short, a code of right vs. wrong. And I understand everyone has a different philosophy of right and wrong conduct. Personally, I base my values on experiences, logic, and observations rather than religion or society.

Sorry for the long post! I couldn't help myself 😆 But GREAT question!

~Cookie



Edited by Cookies01 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Nice post ... I'm an AR fan BUT I agree, you can't get 'em together till SR are divorced.

I didn't check out the other topic much - I did read a few posts on it and from what I recall (can't remember much, honestly) folks were talking about a dream sequence.

Again, I haven't been part of this 'adultery encouragement vs legal rights to consummation' debates and what have you, but I *think* the demands stem from actors, and not characters', chemistry.

Folks wanna see KSG and Jenny together (I dunno why, given the off screen drama. I don't believe anythign I hear, but OBVIOUSLY people will be uncomfortable about it, even if it's not true. So why ask for the poor souls to be together). So, the only way they feel that can happen is by asking for Armaan Ridzi to be together. And, if a dream sequence is all they can get, then so be it. In my opinion, it's worse than seeing them apart. It's like a bitter sweet dream, one you see, but you know won't come true. Why torture yourself. It was like that "White dream" of Armaan's when Shilpa left.

NOW - the scarier thought here - what are the CVs thinking toying with the idea of adultery on this show? I realize some shows show that ... I haven't seen any, but isn't this a youth based light hearted show? Why DID they send Ridzi to Lonavla? To torture Armaan with his memories? Or to lead into these romantic yet adulterous scenes?

I agree - I dunno what the ppl's opinion of 'pure love' is. The phrase is comical in my opinion ... I don't think anything about AR, or SR, is pure love from any angle. Actually ... I truly don't know how 'pure love' is different from 'ordinary love'. So Armaan's had not-so-pure thoughts about Ridzi ... does that make it 'not-so-pure' love? Sid had those same thoughts about Ridzi while he was helping her find her "pure love" ... does that make his love 'not-so-pure'?

Dunno where it ends, or where it even began ... but it's sad to see the youth of today considering such path.

Again, I'm an AR fan, and I do hope they end up together .. but just like in KYPH - they need a divorce first, with some proper getting over time, and some distance from each other, and then find their way back ..

Honestly though, if R keeps up with her 'basket case' attitude ... I dunno if I want the Armaan of the last 3 years to have a 'basket' like her ...

:)
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@uppaas exactly!..if she isn't happy with her husband first she should get a divorce..then she can play with another man!...

but seeing her romancing and being touched by another man while she is married is unacceptable by any society no matter how modern they are!!!..

moreover, i can't get those people who are drooling over it and glorifying it!..this is considered as cheating and as adultery!..

i can't believe their logic!..some of them actually said it's ok because Arman is not her ex!..because they never broke up!!!!!!.what kind of argument is this?..so according to them Arman is still her Bf while she is still Sid's wife!! 😲

they have totally lost it!..i am disgusted of watchinga woman being passed by like a ball between two men!..in one shot she is in her husbands arms..and in another she is being in her ex bf arms!..who keeps drooling over her, imagining her even when he knows that she is someone else's wife!!!! 🤢
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ka7eela

@uppaas exactly!..if she isn't happy with her husband first she should get a divorce..then she can play with another man!...

but seeing her romancing and being touched by another man while she is married is unacceptable by any society no matter how modern they are!!!..

moreover, i can't get those people who are drooling over it and glorifying it!..this is considered as cheating and as adultery!..

i can't believe their logic!..some of them actually said it's ok because Arman is not her ex!..because they never broke up!!!!!!.what kind of argument is this?..so according to them Arman is still her Bf while she is still Sid's wife!! 😲

they have totally lost it!..i am disgusted of watchinga woman being passed by like a ball between two men!..in one shot she is in her husbands arms..and in another she is being in her ex bf arms!..who keeps drooling over her, imagining her even when he knows that she is someone else's wife!!!! 🤢

I am disgused tooo. they come up with the not soo good hubby arguement , look a lot happens between husband and wife Ridz had an oppurtunity to walk out . Y did she not , she wanted to try her marriage with Sid , she shoudnt have if he was so bad and nasty. Moreover even now her hubby has given her a choice go ahead but if I re-call she does not want her ex either. Why all this romance ?????
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ka7eela

@uppaas exactly!..if she isn't happy with her husband first she should get a divorce..then she can play with another man!...

but seeing her romancing and being touched by another man while she is married is unacceptable by any society no matter how modern they are!!!..

moreover, i can't get those people who are drooling over it and glorifying it!..this is considered as cheating and as adultery!..

i can't believe their logic!..some of them actually said it's ok because Arman is not her ex!..because they never broke up!!!!!!.what kind of argument is this?..so according to them Arman is still her Bf while she is still Sid's wife!! 😲

they have totally lost it!..i am disgusted of watchinga woman being passed by like a ball between two men!..in one shot she is in her husbands arms..and in another she is being in her ex bf arms!..who keeps drooling over her, imagining her even when he knows that she is someone else's wife!!!! 🤢



Just playing devils advocate here - and giving them the benefit of the doubt - do you think maybe they're excited about teh fact that there was a "chance" incident (I'm assuming the incident is not them doing anything, but something like them falling and one catching, or dupatta flying, etc)? And that the divorce papers HAVE been signed, albeit not formally processed yet? And that this chance incident would lead to them realizing they still love each other (AR) without doing much about it till after things have been finalized and the ink is dry everywhere?

I'm just trying to understand the psyche of the folks advocating for this ... I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would encourage adultery. I have to believe that they are encouraging the "realization" that maybe be facilitated by whatever incident has everyone so worked up ... I'm pretty sure that if AR were to do anything unbecoming, everyone would be revolted ... AR and SR fans included.

Just a thought - no offense.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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i cant rly comment on the pure love part.. dont rly know much abt it.. and incest to me a very revolting thought.. but again ppl claim to be in love.. so i dont know.. how it works.. must be some genetical attraction or sth..marrying a dolphin.. ermm.. i dont know what the dolphin thinks abt it.. so yeah..LOL
homosexuality is i think now majorly accepted and ppl are not hesitant to show that they love a person from the same sex.. which ofcourse might happen to anyone.. afterall ppl search for companionship, trust and attraction towards each other.. it can be in the same sex or opposite sex..

and in case of AR am sure no one is encouraging adultery.. ppl are just excited to see AR together.. and i dont think the scenes are meant to intentionally intimate either.. the mud scene.. the fall on top of each other.. its not like they purposely did tht..but the proximity hit them.. but am sure thyre gonna back out..
as an AR fan adultery would be highly disgraceful.. to any relation.. whether it be AR or SR..or DMG itself
i would not prefer "intentional" intimacy at all before she gets divorced with sid
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: lilmzsunshine



Just playing devils advocate here - and giving them the benefit of the doubt - do you think maybe they're excited about teh fact that there was a "chance" incident (I'm assuming the incident is not them doing anything, but something like them falling and one catching, or dupatta flying, etc)? And that the divorce papers HAVE been signed, albeit not formally processed yet? And that this chance incident would lead to them realizing they still love each other (AR) without doing much about it till after things have been finalized and the ink is dry everywhere?

I'm just trying to understand the psyche of the folks advocating for this ... I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would encourage adultery. I have to believe that they are encouraging the "realization" that maybe be facilitated by whatever incident has everyone so worked up ... I'm pretty sure that if AR were to do anything unbecoming, everyone would be revolted ... AR and SR fans included.

Just a thought - no offense.



this means you haven't come across the umpteen posts where they want AR to be lost in a jungle or demnad AR to make love!!!...etc.. despite the fact that she is still married..and i reckon you havn't seen yesterday's episode and the precap!..the much celebrated event in the forum!..please take a look at them too 😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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riddhima has already signed divorce papers i guess...and i guess respective fans enjoy love scenes between their favourites...and if situations were opposite then even u guys mit enjoy such scenes
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: yattri

i cant rly comment on the pure love part.. dont rly know much abt it.. and incest to me a very revolting thought.. but again ppl claim to be in love.. so i dont know.. how it works.. must be some genetical attraction or sth..marrying a dolphin.. ermm.. i dont know what the dolphin thinks abt it.. so yeah..LOL
homosexuality is i think now majorly accepted and ppl are not hesitant to show that they love a person from the same sex.. which ofcourse might happen to anyone.. afterall ppl search for companionship, trust and attraction towards each other.. it can be in the same sex or opposite sex..

and in case of AR am sure no one is encouraging adultery.. ppl are just excited to see AR together.. and i dont think the scenes are meant to intentionally intimate either.. the mud scene.. the fall on top of each other.. its not like they purposely did tht..but the proximity hit them.. but am sure thyre gonna back out..
as an AR fan adultery would be highly disgraceful.. to any relation.. whether it be AR or SR..or DMG itself
i would not prefer "intentional" intimacy at all before she gets divorced with sid



hmmm..not encouraging adultery!..what about the posts were people demanding AR to make love and some other absurd demands!

even if you say you were against that post!...but dear a married woman being touched, hugged or whatever by another man is considered to be adultery..you liking it means you encouraging adultery!..

ok let's forget for a moment that A, R, S are fictional characters!..what will be your reaction if you see a married woman let's say in your neighborhood being touched, hugged or romanced by another man who happens to be a hunk and is her ex?! ..how would you feel about that?!
Edited by ka7eela - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: nikka0809

riddhima has already signed divorce papers i guess...and i guess respective fans enjoy love scenes between their favourites...and if situations were opposite then even u guys mit enjoy such scenes



invalid argument!..Riddhima is still married to Sid..the divorce isn't finalized yet!..

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