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Posted: 12 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: Elysia

No, read my comment again. I said that it rang as a warning bell. If you want examples of glorification, then I can give you some -- not that I think it'll matter.
The V/Dadi track and his first so-called "treatment" track are brilliant examples. During the V/Dadi track, Jahnvi was reduced to a meditating housewife with an all but non-exsistent screenspace. During the "treatment" track, the focus was on V to the extent that Jahnvi's experience with losing her child became -- again -- all but non-existent.
Most of the glorification took place post Jahnvi's escape. In the "Priya" track, he was quite obviously written as an object of desire, i.e. the quasi-yoga/quasi-martial arts he did at the time. There were times when long sequences were dedicated to those moves, him calling himself "iron man", etc. all while Jahnvi's track in Gurgaon was in a rut. The entire track of this period on the show was dedicated to V as a man of power as well as charmer and the fabulous lover -- even when disturbing.
During his God conversation, the Krishna picture was depicted from the side with V at the doorway, so that the focus would be on him. When he found out Priya wanted him for his money, the focus was so much on his emotions of betrayal about both Priya and Jahnvi [forget that he was happily deceiving them both at the time] that Priya seemed almost insignificant, even though she was as much a victim and could say pretty much the same thing about his deceit.
In addition to that, V was glorified within the narrative. I.e. the fact that he caught wind of everyone's plans while his own were kept under wraps until much later. It took Sia two to three months to figure out that he was faking the memory loss, despite her own efforts to confirm it. But once she did figure it out, it barely took him five minutes to find out that she knew.
Before V was exposed, we saw him indulging in self-pitying endeavours that everyone -- including Sia -- fell for. Okay, scratch that. It was at least a part of his plan. But the Double V segments were falsely labelled "alter ego", even though they were nothing of that sort. And for a few weeks these sequences were elongated, giving you more of Double V than the rest of the characters.
Also, look at the care given to cinematography for his scenes. I.e. the burning roses, the ballet on his bed, the domestic violence scenes, etc. No other character had that much care or that much symbolism expanded. In fact, their most important scenes were rushed, as well as cut midway to accomodate V.
The most telling one of these is the episode in which Jahnvi was divorced from V where her liberation took less than five minutes, and even then the scene was cut in the middle to shift to V at the hospital, enjoying gourmet food.
Also, V juxtaposed against the inefficiency of the police. Not just this, he was shown torturing every single person in that house.
Within the narrative, everything has to be connected to V. Even now. The show promotes Raghav/Sia as "good people" for taking care of V when in reality no victim would want to have anything to do with their abuser.
The abovementioned examples should be enough.



by the comments above it COMPLETELY PROVES that u CANT EVEN STAND IT if they shw viraj for a single scene

for u viraj scenes r JUS THE INTERRUPTIONS BETWEEN JAANVI N RAGHAVS TRACK which i m findling IMMENSELY RIDICULOUS

hello viraj is ALSO THE LEAD OF THE SHW

nd its abt how raghvis life is always gets connected with him this way or that

but u seem to b allergic to viraj so such an extent that even a few mins of him seem like an eternity to u

nd so many scenes of raghvi jaanvi raghav u r jus overlooking

if they shw a viraj scene it bcums a drastic cut to u

whereas in all shws scenes r edited this way to shw all charcters

its NO USE arguing with u

coz i also watched all those stuff u said

ND IN NONE OF THE SCENES I FELT ANY1 OF THE 3 LEADS HAD EVER BEEN SIDELINED

jaanvis shift to gurgaon was shwn very nicely nd they never HURRIED nything

p.s.DONT REPLY ME BK COZ I dont waant any one sided anti viraj bull shit again...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: ABBY_JERAN



by the comments above it COMPLETELY PROVES that u CANT EVEN STAND IT if they shw viraj for a single scene

for u viraj scenes r JUS THE INTERRUPTIONS BETWEEN JAANVI N RAGHAVS TRACK which i m findling IMMENSELY RIDICULOUS

hello viraj is ALSO THE LEAD OF THE SHW

nd its abt how raghvis life is always gets connected with him this way or that

but u seem to b allergic to viraj so such an extent that even a few mins of him seem like an eternity to u

nd so many scenes of raghvi jaanvi raghav u r jus overlooking

if they shw a viraj scene it bcums a drastic cut to u

whereas in all shws scenes r edited this way to shw all charcters

its NO USE arguing with u

coz i also watched all those stuff u said

ND IN NONE OF THE SCENES I FELT ANY1 OF THE 3 LEADS HAD EVER BEEN SIDELINED

jaanvis shift to gurgaon was shwn very nicely nd they never HURRIED nything

p.s.DONT REPLY ME BK COZ I dont waant any one sided anti viraj bull shit again...

First, there's no need to scream at me. I can hear you perfectly fine.
Second, you're the one who said that I could only mention the montage as an example of glorification, and then when I do mention more than just the montage, you don't like it.
*shrugs*
We can agree on one thing. There's no point arguing.
Edited by Elysia - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Elysia

The thing about punishment is that it's not a punishment until the abuser understands and knows it's a punishment. That he's being punished.
Plus see this from the victim's point of view. Jahnvi once asked Geeta what she had done wrong in her life that she was being punished with a man like V, that she was given a fate such as this. That is why it's important to present the right message. Victims feel that their horrible fate was a punishment from God because they were wrong -- and it isn't until they see their abusers punished by God that they feel right.
Because seeing V punished by God would confirm Jahnvi in how she was always right as well as loved by God -- and it'll confirm victims of abuse that they're not wrong either.
What I worry about now is that they butcher Raghav's character before the actor's leave -- further confirming that victims are wrong because, look, Sia was punished with one more bad husband. Considering how the channel is promoting V and Sia, and the way they've been emphasizing Raghav's anger issue, I think they might go down that path.
It'll be a low blow from the creatives. I wonder if they'll stoop lower than they already have.


I'm with you a 100%:
There can be no redemption without repentance.
And no repentance without any recollection of your wrong doings.

But giving a good looking bad guy a few electrical shocks, suddenly seems to convince people that he has been effectively punished.

Its beyond me ...but that's the vibe I'm getting here... 😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Elysia

For all the crimes that he has committed and would've continued to commit if he hadn't lost his memory -- shock therapy is hardly a punishment. I might've found it a punishment if the creatives had shown a parallel track of him spending the rest of his life in the psych ward -- but not only does he escape his seven years in prison, he also escapes the psych ward. In addition to that, the shock therapy is used to make people sympathize with him rather than punish him. If it was supposed to be regarded as a punishment, then Saxena wouldn't have been shown evil and messing with his treatment on purpose. That was to gain sympathy from viewers toward V and make him out to be a victim.
Clever move on the creatives' part, but not clever enough to fool viewers.
Who said anything about the show turning into a fairy tale with the hero/heroine? Marriage to a victim of emotional and physical abuse is hardly a fairy tale. Marriage to a man who wants to revenge his dead brother and sister-in-law is hardly a fairy tale. Losing family members is hardly a fairy tale. Emotional struggles, inner struggles, dealing with life with the kind of baggage that the characters have is hardly a fairy tale.

huh sure!! whatever! But I am glad creatives are not thinking that way! and not MANY OF US are thinking that way either! WHY NOT??? He is an OCPD patient to Begin with! and not a normal abuser! well why do i feel that ur insecure because he is gaining sympathy??😆😆
😆😆 "some viewers u mean?"😆😆
well.. getting hit by a Mechanic on a road side is a fairy tale! him falling in love with LOST woman is a fairy tale! him fighting for her..because ohhh kitni bechari hai...and that why falling in love!
I disagree on falling in love with WEAK woman! and what's worse...his family members history of getting killed!!😆 that is all fairy tale!
reality would be something that Jahnvi teaching Viraaj Lesson without any outsider to begin with! how many women get beaten up by their man? do they all have road side romeo to run away??? i highly doubt that! *if reality was to be shown. aamir already showed that in his show! how women have faced their men, without OUTSIDE romeos!* lady taking care of her two daughters on her own! this extra marital stuff is all fairy tale..nothing like that happens in reality..and even if it happens, socity call it "character less woman"
Edited by RoyalLEO_Krrish - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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He is an OCPD patient to Begin with! and not a normal abuser!
Sorry to say, but this show has made a mockery of OPCD along with a huge host of other things. Having an obsessive compulsive personality disorder doesn't mean you have an absent conscience.

And please enlighten me - what is a "normal" abuser??

"character less woman"
What on earth has Sia done pre-divorce that makes her characterless??!! It is this very thought that brings down our society. 😡

Wasn't Viraj characterless to romance Priya soon after his wife's death - considering how much he "LOVED" his jaan??

Edited by dsdsb.addict - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: RoyalLEO_Krrish

huh sure!! whatever! But I am glad creatives are not thinking that way! and not MANY OF US are thinking that way either! WHY NOT??? He is an OCPD patient to Begin with! and not a normal abuser! well why do i feel that ur insecure because he is gaining sympathy??😆😆
😆😆 "some viewers u mean?"😆😆
well.. getting hit by a Mechanic on a road side is a fairy tale! him falling in love with LOST woman is a fairy tale! him fighting for her..because ohhh kitni bechari hai...and that why falling in love!
I disagree on falling in love with WEAK woman! and what's worse...his family members history of getting killed!!😆 that is all fairy tale!
reality would be something that Jahnvi teaching Viraaj Lesson without any outsider to begin with! how many women get beaten up by their man? do they all have road side romeo to run away??? i highly doubt that! *if reality was to be shown. aamir already showed that in his show! how women have faced their men, without OUTSIDE romeos!* lady taking care of her two daughters on her own! this extra marital stuff is all fairy tale..nothing like that happens in reality..and even if it happens, socity call it "character less woman"

If anyone's insecure, it's the creatives. They're the ones who have been oppressing other characters on the show in order to accomodate V, retain him. Were they afraid that if they didn't show V 95 percent of the time, then the other characters might become much more popular and overshadow him? That's something I wonder about.
OCPD isn't equivalent to being abnormal. It's a disorder, not an incurable mind disease of the psychopathic sort. People live with OCPD while having a perfectly healthy mind aside from it -- meaning a conscience and no psychopathic/sadistic tendencies.
V isn't some unique case. In fact, he can be compared to half a dozen serial killers that I've seen in documentaries.
Fairy tale. Interesting. Did you know that stories are inspired from reality? Fairy tales have originated from human minds, not some power that be, and they always have root in what we define as the real world -- the villain usually representing the darkness in your life, the heroine representing yourself, and the hero representing the hope of a better life.
Believe it or not, but fairy tales are very much real. Strip away the supernatural elements and what you have is a man and a woman and their obstacles in life. And if you mean to point out the story of SB? as a fairy tale in the sense of "all is well", then obviously it's not. Sia is still struggling to move forward. Raghav is flawed. V is a sicko. And so on.
Characterless? That sounds like victim blaming to me. That's all I have to say to it.
Edited by Elysia - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: dsdsb.addict

He is an OCPD patient to Begin with! and not a normal abuser!

Sorry to say, but this show has made a mockery of OPCD along with a huge host of other things. Having an obsessive compulsive personality disorder doesn't mean you have an absent conscience.

It's insulting to people with OCPD. What society will have learned from this show is that if you have OCPD, then you're prone to becoming a psychopath -- when the creatives should have researched and separated the disorder from the person V is, i.e. his nature and character.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia

It's insulting to people with OCPD. What society will have learned from this show is that if you have OCPD, then you're prone to becoming a psychopath -- when the creatives should have researched and separated the disorder from the person V is, i.e. his nature and character.



🤔...*sigh*...set-out to make a positive impact on society & instead achieve the complete opposite - seems to be DSDDSB's mission statement.
Edited by dsdsb.addict - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Royal: You're blaming the victim? *shakes head* You're messed up man!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: dsdsb.addict



🤔...*sigh*...set-out to make a positive impact on society & instead achieve the complete opposite - seems to be DSDDSB's mission statement.

Which I still fail to understand, yaar. I seriously don't understand how creatives that made such a unique show in December 2011 could go so wrong. I mean, what happened? Why did they suddenly find it necessary to give V power of narrative, shifting focus from Jahnvi to her abuser? Why did they suddenly decide "screw the message" and change everything?

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