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Posted: 13 years ago

#61

Originally posted by: criticaleyes

@ Bold: Hmm. Do I really need to respond to this comment? May be I do.
A gradual journey towards empowerment is what is called for, but artificial, soap opera-type twists and turns, which deviate from the original message of SB with the resultant "butchering" of an important character is what I am against. In order to make the plot "extremely" interesting the CVs have sacrificed consistency with regard to character development.

The show didn't deviate from the original message of SB? in relation to Jahnvi's character because it wasn't just about raising a voice against DV, but also to depict the journey of a victim. Which the show is doing.

CE, something that I'd like to point out is that comments stating that someone is not a real victim just because it doesn't fit with the observer's perception of a "real victim" is victim blaming. No one can determine how a victim will act during a healing process. Not even the victim him/herself.

I'd like to return to the point of the topic which is how people blame Jahnvi's character for the reasons mentioned in the original post. For not adhering to high moral standards that are set by people who can't possibly know how a victim would deal as no victim deals in the exact same manner as the other.

I read this interesting comment in this forum once that stated that V had raped Jahnvi to protect her. That, too, is victim blaming.

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criticaleyes

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Posted: 13 years ago

#62

Originally posted by: flutterby
@ critical... thangod we finally agreed on smething atleast..😳

And Dr. K should be informed that her mind and mental games are best enacted in group therapy workshops for people suffering from undisclosed psychological ailments.

@ brown bold underlined... then where do u categorise viraj to be??? viraj has been portrayed to be having OCPD... which comes under ur psychological ailments... he is not a normal criminal like Shekhavat..that jhanvi shd try to defeat him by herself.. thats why doctor K has to come in and advice jhanvi as to how to go about the situation...

Viraj has OCPD but his mental problems are more than OCPD. Dr. Komalika has not been able to diagnose Viraj correctly. But, fake deaths, fake marriages, and can be used as ideas in therapy sessions. Viraj need not join those sessions.

mindlessly follow a Mental Dr. K's absurd advice and plan of action; or R's urging of vachan making and vachan taking back etc. instead of Jahnavi listening to her inner voice and doing what SHE thinks is right. and pray.. tell me.. what shd jhanvi do now that she hasnt done before?? she did the best she cud... take v for treatment, but v refused it...

@ Italics brown: She should expose Viraj, go all out and summon her inner strength, and have it out with Viraj. Viraj keeps a tub of boiling water, Jahnavi can choose to NOT step into the tub. She can scream and shout and bring the house down if Viraj does anything to her.
Refuse to do daft things that other people ask her to do.

But, she is improving. Lets hope the CVs give her a brain that works.

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381490

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Posted: 13 years ago

#63

Just a note: Please keep in mind that victims might read your comments. And also, stay on topic. I would appreciate it if we could continue to focus on victim blaming.

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Soaps1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#64

Just because you are a victim it means you can't dress up? you can't look pretty? You can't misread situations like all normal people do? You are supposed to think every many looking at you is doing your balatkar? The reason why jhanvi has not been able to see Raghav has been doing her "eye balatkar" is because he has been doing no such thing 🤣 just because a few people want to see it that way does not mean it becomes that too, a girl has an instinct to pick on someone looking at her in a dirty way ... if Raghav had that dirty look she would pick on it but since he never looked at her in a dirty way obviously she did not notice it ... hence there has been nothing wrong with jhanvi 👍🏼 Enough said!!!

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chandnihorvath

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Posted: 13 years ago

#65

My god Ana - some things people write! And some mentality some people have! It makes me want to puke! WOW! just wow! All I can say is Poor jhanvi/sia, I'd hate to be in her position because of all the negative response she gets. So sad to see some people actually supporting Viraj and calling Jhanvi horrendous names! It makes me sick and sad!

All I can say is please grow up some of you! DV leaves a scar for the rest of your life and if you have seen any victims you'd see how they react! Everyone reacts differently. And everyone has their own methods of coping!

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Posted: 13 years ago

#66

Also, Elysia, I clearly remember a topic where you agreed with me as well when I said that Jhanvi is going the wrong way about this. You have even said that she is one you cannot sympathize with. Not only you, many people agreed and it was established that her actions and reactions were stupid, they were emotionless. But now for some reason because I'm sticking to this view, I (yes, I) am supposedly victim blaming. After all, Jhanvi did not become any wiser (except the little sparks of brilliance she shows here and there) she actually became worse.

You disagree and think that she's somehow found her wisdom and strength. I say that this is no way to deal with domestic violence, and this has hardly anything to do with domestic violence. Hence, I continue feeling unsympathetic while you now start feeling sympathy for her again because you are happy with what's being shown. I don't accept what's being shown. And so I continue criticizing this character and keep saying this is no DV victim. This to me is still a void character.

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Aya.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#67

You know Ana, I clearly remember where you said you couldn't stand Jhanvi & that she needed to go back to Viraj, so she could suffer from abuse again, just because she wasn't doing something you & others liked. But it wasn't just you who said that, so many people said the same thing. Back then, when you & others said so many mean things about Jhanvi, were you not worried if victims would read your comments or not ?

But anyway, leave it. It's good to see you correcting your mistakes now.

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381490

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Posted: 13 years ago

#68

Originally posted by: mysticgoryfilms
Also, Elysia, I clearly remember a topic where you agreed with me as well when I said that Jhanvi is going the wrong way about this. You have even said that she is one you cannot sympathize with. Not only you, many people agreed and it was established that her actions and reactions were stupid, they were emotionless. But now for some reason because I'm sticking to this view, I (yes, I) am supposedly victim blaming. After all, Jhanvi did not become any wiser (except the little sparks of brilliance she shows here and there) she actually became worse.

You disagree and think that she's somehow found her wisdom and strength. I say that this is no way to deal with domestic violence, and this has hardly anything to do with domestic violence. Hence, I continue feeling unsympathetic while you now start feeling sympathy for her again because you are happy with what's being shown. I don't accept what's being shown. And so I continue criticizing this character and keep saying this is no DV victim. This to me is still a void character.

Yes, I did agree with you and I even admitted my mistake and said that, upon realization of what it actually was, I tried to correct it because I can't bear it on my conscience that I might have victim blamed -- even if it wasn't intentionally.

To critisize her and say that she's a void character -- it's something else than saying that she is no DV victim, Mystic. And it's the distinction between these two that's vital.

Something that I don't understand -- and this goes to Aya as well for accusing me, only to toss in "oh, but let's leave it" -- iwhat s the need to make the debate personal? Have I any at point mentioned any names of those who victim blamed or even those I believed to do it?

There's a reason why I kept the thread name-free, because I didn't want to tag anyone. I only wanted to highlight the issue and give examples of mild and extreme victim blaming. What saddens me is that there can be no debate without making it personally about a member. The debate was supposed to center around the issue of victim blaming, not tag members -- be it anyone. We all know who we and what we've done. I have no interest in personal accusations, nor do I care for whether people step forward or not. What I do care for is creating awareness.

In addition to your post above, Mystic, perceptions change all the time. You learn a new thing and you realize something and you change your actions according to it. You don't have to remain stuck in the same perception, for instance, of a character. I'm not the kind of person to remain stuck. The moment I learned about victim blaming, I realized something, understood something that I hadn't understood before, and I acted upon it. There's no shame in that. On the contrary, it's rewarding. Because it's harder to change your way of thinking and acting upon it.

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381490

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Posted: 13 years ago

#69

Originally posted by: mysticgoryfilms

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Aya.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#70

I am not accusing you nor am I trying to make this debate personal. It wasn't in my intentions (if you thought so). People can't tell others to stop blaming victims, while on the other hand they do it too.

But like I said, it's good you're learning from your mistakes & creating awareness.

Just because one decides to sit quiet or ignore it, that doesn't mean they support victim blaming.