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Originally posted by: mnx12
Mahadev- Mohini's child was required to kill Mahishi. Many falklores depict a story that suits a sect or a group of devotees. It comes from the tendency of showing whom they pray, believe is greater then other's. All the Puranas depict the story portraying one Deity as greater then others. Same story has different versions in different Puranas.
If Mahadev was lustful, he wouldn't have burnt Kamdev. He is known as Maha Yogi not Maha bhogi. 😆

Yes..there r 3 primary sections in Hinduism- Shaktism,Shaivism and Vaishnavism..each regards their own deity as the supreme being (para bhrahman).. n yes, each one does have minute variations of the generally known legends to show their own deity as the supreme being.. but the basic legend remains unchanged more or less..

N yes, for every action of gods there is always a valid cause n even more blissful n eternal consequences..however, as far as mahadev's nature is concerned , yes he is a maha yogi dedicated to his wife for all eternity n definitely not maha bhogi..lol..but the fact remains that Shiva often displays an extreme dual personality.. it is an intrinsic quality of mahadev..he can b extremely patient sometimes n extremely wrathful at others depending on the situation n of course always for the greater good..no exceptions there..these traits of personality r also displayed by goddess Parvati for the greater good.. while she is the epitome of feminity , he is the epitome of masculinity.. but what she doesn't have in common with her husband is his bipolar intensity of sexuality..may b that's where the whole misogynistic notion of "its OK for a man to stray a little in terms of sexual habit n he can still b an ideal man but for a woman its never acceptable" arose...bcoz parvati is equal to her husband in every which way except the detours of sexual adventures for the greater good..yes, on the one hand Shiva burns kama with his third eye n yet on the other hand there r various instances where even kama wouldn't b able match Shiva's kaamful nature..there is a very valid reason y mahadev is worshipped as an eternal life giving n boon bestowing phallic symbol..if our mythologies n legends r anything to go by then the dual nature mahadev remains an undisputed fact...n of course worthy of praise .

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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
@Akash, yes we keep cursing everyone. Agree.
Even then, Shiva doesn't usually cheat. The instances you quoted are not of Shiva "cheating", its just, from a Krishna-devotee perspective, he fell for Vishnumaya. Ya, I know the story of Shiva running madly behind Mohini and Parvati watching him with a shocked expression. They didn't do justice to Ayyappa. Just leave that. Sometimes you have to just not think about certain tracks in DKDM.

Also, Zeus is a mixture of Indra, Vishnu, Brahma and Krishna, but not Shiva. Hera is a mixture of Lakshmi and Radha, and Athena is Saraswati, who came from Brahma's mind (Athena sprung from his skull).

I don't know where you read that Mahadeva is a "mad man with crazy temper n immense sexual appetite🤢" because he is one of the gods with most restraint. The only exception being Mohini. Trust me, he didn't even fall for Parvati. That was a really difficult process. It happened after a great struggle. So the only case where Mahadev lost it is Mohini, but that is not the point.
The point is, Mahadev cheating was apalling. But as you said, it is all the leela of Bhagavan.

True on all accounts..mahadev's yogi nature is very well known..parvati had to become aparna by performing severe penance to get mahadev involved in worldly matters..but that's just one of several other aspects of mahadev's personality...n as for the statement 'mad man with crazy temper n immense sexual appetite", it repeatedly pops in almost every other articles , legends pertaining to shiva-parvati.. parvati's role is to tame mahadev n his vital energy with her grace n patience..something like tandav- lahsya..there was one legend wherein Shiva's lingum fell on earth after a sage cursed him n the lingum started burning everything on earth due to its vigorous energy n to stop the destruction, parvati had to take the form of yoni n take it inside to contain n calm the energy of lingum..but that's just husband wife thing..so nothing appalling about it..but as pointed out earlier ,Shiva's masculine phallic energy did pave way for some not so conventional legends but of course for the greater cause n even more blissful n eternal consequences!

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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
@Akash, yes we keep cursing everyone. Agree.
Even then, Shiva doesn't usually cheat. The instances you quoted are not of Shiva "cheating", its just, from a Krishna-devotee perspective, he fell for Vishnumaya. Ya, I know the story of Shiva running madly behind Mohini and Parvati watching him with a shocked expression. They didn't do justice to Ayyappa. Just leave that. Sometimes you have to just not think about certain tracks in DKDM.

Also, Zeus is a mixture of Indra, Vishnu, Brahma and Krishna, but not Shiva. Hera is a mixture of Lakshmi and Radha, and Athena is Saraswati, who came from Brahma's mind (Athena sprung from his skull).

I don't know where you read that Mahadeva is a "mad man with crazy temper n immense sexual appetite🤢" because he is one of the gods with most restraint. The only exception being Mohini. Trust me, he didn't even fall for Parvati. That was a really difficult process. It happened after a great struggle. So the only case where Mahadev lost it is Mohini, but that is not the point.
The point is, Mahadev cheating was apalling. But as you said, it is all the leela of Bhagavan.

@Bold, I m not so sure about that...my statement that Zues is a combination of Shiva n Indra was purely based on the general observation of both cultures.. but if there is a formal comparison already charted out somewhere then I m not aware of it..my observation of both the cultures leads to the following conclusions..

Zues= combination of tridev n Indra/ masculine form of goddess Bhuvaneshvari

Hera= combination of tridevi n indrani but does not occupy the same importance

Athena= since she is a warrior goddess as well as goddess of art n wisdom , she resembles a combination of durga (but again does not occupy the same importance )n goddess saraswati.

Yes, I do feel that a Krishna bhakth's perspective can b different from that of an adi parashakthi devotee(myself).. bcoz for one thing I couldn't understand y people would consider Vishnu n Krishna different deities..but that's probably just my ignorance of vaishnavism..bcoz Parvati n Kali's mool roop is the same, yet I wouldn't feel right about considering them the same bcoz in each incarnation they have their own respective roles to play.. but I also thought there isn't much of a difference between Vishnu n Krishna even in their nature n roles..😕

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Originally posted by: Akash005

@Bold, I m not so sure about that...my statement that Zues is a combination of Shiva n Indra was purely based on the general observation of both cultures.. but if there is a formal comparison already charted out somewhere then I m not aware of it..my observation of both the cultures leads to the following conclusions..

Zues= combination of tridev n Indra/ masculine form of goddess Bhuvaneshvari
Hera= combination of tridevi n indrani but does not occupy the same importance
Athena= since she is a warrior goddess as well as goddess of art n wisdom , she resembles a combination of durga (but again does not occupy the same importance )n goddess saraswati.
Yes, I do feel that a Krishna bhakth's perspective can b different from that of an adi parashakthi devotee(myself).. bcoz for one thing I couldn't understand y people would consider Vishnu n Krishna different deities..but that's probably just my ignorance of vaishnavism..bcoz Parvati n Kali's mool roop is the same, yet I wouldn't feel right about considering them the same bcoz in each incarnation they have their own respective roles to play.. but I also thought there isn't much of a difference between Vishnu n Krishna even in their nature n roles..😕

Long story... to make it short.. blame it on ISKCON and Brahmavaivarta Purana.

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Although its interesting to note how offended n strange people can feel when 'not so discussed / hush-hush' aspects of gods r brought in the fore front..in their disbelief, people often miss the point of such legends n what makes Hinduism such a beautiful n unique religion ..

Both Shiva n Parvati r often times considered an extremely sexual symbols.. purush n prakriti balance n compliment each other in every which way n that includes sexuality as well..it is only human ignorance that we sometimes consider it appalling wen in reality there is something to b learned from every aspect of every legend.. infact tantrics n aghoris accept n celebrate the sexuality aspect of shiv-shakti sexuality..but yes, that is not meant for normal sansarik people like us.. what we can do is understand n take all the legends in the right sense..

Shiva is considered as an eternal life giving boon bestowing phallic symbol.. n it is fact..it is a celebration purusha sexuality which is also required for cosmic balance..in addition, there r various intellectual interpretations of shiv lingum which r also equally true but that does not negate the sexuality aspect of shiv lingum ..

Goddess Parvati on the other hand is sometimes worshipped as yoni...she is just as sexual as her husband with the exception that she never strays away even remotely from her husband..one of major shakti peeths where sati's yoni fell, parvati is worshipped as goddess kamakhya, meaning goddess of desire..n the temple even celebrates the menstrual cycle of the goddess..bcoz it is just as life giving n boon bestowing as any shiv lingum and is just as required for cosmic balance..

These r some of the explicit aspects of our religion that some might not even b willing to address n associate with due to mere mortal thinking weakness.. but they do make a very powerful n positive statement to enlighten one's life ..

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Posted: 11 years ago

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You know, while the meaning you are saying is also somewhat valid, we must not focus our entire concentration only on that. Its not that it is our weakness or anything and that religion acts as if the subject is taboo or anything. It is just that we must look more towards spirituality and the inner meaning of the shivalingam, and must not concentrate mostly on the sexual aspect. Even Swami SIvananda said we must not think about these things, mostly because our minds are not evolved spiritually enough to discuss these highly esoteric topics.

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Can anybody tell me, as a new member, when will I b able to 'press like' for posts on forums?.. coz m not able to do it, at first I thought it must b technical malfunction but now m thinking may b its bcoz m a new member n not yet eligible to access that facility..its so frustrating,😡 , that I can't like a post I really like..😡😕

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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
You know, while the meaning you are saying is also somewhat valid, we must not focus our entire concentration only on that. Its not that it is our weakness or anything and that religion acts as if the subject is taboo or anything. It is just that we must look more towards spirituality and the inner meaning of the shivalingam, and must not concentrate mostly on the sexual aspect. Even Swami SIvananda said we must not think about these things, mostly because our minds are not evolved spiritually enough to discuss these highly esoteric topics.

Makes sense..such aspects r better left for people who have dedicated their life in yogic practices ( hermits, tantrics, aghoris).. as sansarik people its best if we concentrate on saumya aspect of bhagvan coz that ll bring peace n happiness in our life..but my intention with earlier posts was purely to point out the aspects of our legends which r widely known n yet people find it difficult, strange n even offensive to accept..when in reality there is no reason for looking at it that way at all..

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Originally posted by: Akash005
Can anybody tell me, as a new member, when will I b able to 'press like' for posts on forums?.. coz m not able to do it, at first I thought it must b technical malfunction but now m thinking may b its bcoz m a new member n not yet eligible to access that facility..its so frustrating,😡 , that I can't like a post I really like..😡😕

When you become a Groupbie, that is, 50 posts, you can like.