Why Poor - Page 7

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

...and the point u r trying to make here is?????😕

i think pretty much all agree so far that iq does contribute to ones success but can't ensure it alone if motivation/zeal is lacking. as it is, i am not talking about the poor becoming doctors or engineers overnite....and now that we r at it...i also don't believe that businessmen have low iqs😉

all i'm saying is that the poor can atleast start with some life-style altering choices first....that is, if they really want to move up the socio-economic ladder.

The point i am making is IQ has no relevance in this thread...whatsoever.. except complex problem solving of scientific kind, IQ has no real role... anywhere in post-academic... achievements..just like academic acheivements act like a placebo in the corporate world...😉.. If these so call high academic achievers hide their certificates and let their IQ do the talking I am sure most these will look absolutely ordinary...😆

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

all i'm saying is that the poor can atleast start with some life-style altering choices first....that is, if they really want to move up the socio-economic ladder.

I agree, but sometimes it requires extreme sacrifice. Like there's a difference being poor with a family and a difference being poor and being alone without any constraints.

This topic reminds me of that girl who grew-up with druggie parents/slums, and worked so hard that she got into Yale and is now a top-class lawyer. But she was alone with no family...

Originally posted by: raj5000

Nice! I liked the point u made about keeping the ticket safe, that's hardwork too😆 Yeah I guess gold-diggers work hard too, selecting victim, etc.😛

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

The point i am making is IQ has no relevance in this thread...whatsoever.. except complex problem solving of scientific kind, IQ has no real role... anywhere in post-academic... achievements..just like academic acheivements are just act like a placebo in the corporate world...😉

it does. it's one of the factors that can contribute to success, lift someone out of poverty. it's another thing that people with high iqs might not be motivated enuff or find it mentally rewarding to take the route necessary for financial success. it's like any other useful ability- but cant help it if one doesnt use it.😉

also, all else equal, the guy with a higher iq has more odds of success than say a 70 to 90 iq guy. i think.😉

btw, since when is just being an academician a poor thing?😆 and since when did they generally start admitting folks to good institutions that have 70-90 iqs?😆 those institutions do in turn provide greater opportunities for success later on, dont they?😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

The point i am making is IQ has no relevance in this thread...whatsoever.. except complex problem solving of scientific kind, IQ has no real role... anywhere in post-academic... achievements..just like academic acheivements are just act like a placebo in the corporate world...😉

well, then i agree with u. this is what i have been saying all along. iq is not as relevant here as motivation and zeal is. getting distinctions in their board exams and passing tough entrance exams is not the only way to get out of one's poor economic status. there r other ways too which i mentioned before in my posts.

could u now explain the relevance of "morals" and "god's fear" that u have been talking about here.....if u don't mind. i don't think those r relevant to the debate topic either.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

well, then i agree with u. this is what i have been saying all along. iq is not as relevant here as motivation and zeal is. getting distinctions in their board exams and passing tough entrance exams is not the only way to get out of one's poor economic status. there r other ways too which i mentioned before in my posts.

but it's one of the best ways. very few things beat getting into some of the colleges with those "tough entrance exams". 😉

Originally posted by: chatbuster

it does. it's one of the factors that can contribute to success, lift someone out of poverty.

agree with u on the bolded part but it is not the only way to get out of poverty. they can start out taking baby steps in the right direction so that, hopefully, they can nurture their kids to enhance/develop the iqs the kids r born with.

it's another thing that people with high iqs might not be motivated enuff or find it mentally rewarding to take the route necessary for financial success. it's like any other useful ability- but cant help it if one doesnt use it.😉

also, all else equal, the guy with a higher iq has more odds of success than say a 70 to 90 iq guy. i think.😉

agreed. they surely need to slog less than the ones with avg or low iqs.

btw, since when is just being an academician a poor thing?😆 and since when did they generally start admitting folks to good institutions that have 70-90 iqs?😆 those institutions do in turn provide greater opportunities for success later on, dont they?😊

😆😆😆 yeah. i was wondering about that too. exceptions r everywhere. we we can see avg iq people doing great academically because they work really hard and some really high iq people just managing to get past because they r not motivated enuff to work hard. how can we run the achievements of an avg iq person down just because one of the bozos in some prison had a really hi iq....beats me too.😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

but it's one of the best ways. very few things beat getting into some of the colleges with those "tough entrance exams". 😉

yes, it is one of the best ways but they need to start somewhere before they reach that mile stone. they can start out with relatively less intimidating goals that eventually lead to such milestones. one need to have goals that r achievable. main problem is that most poor people don't even set the achievable goals for themselves.

now, if someone os motivated enuff and bright enuff to do that - it would be perfect solution for them and they will need a decent enuff iq to achieve that. but we can't have that game plan for others who may not be up to the mark to begin with.....and that doesn't mean they can't uplift their economic status by making some other efforts.

lets face it cb, even all middle class kids do not go to the colleges with "tough entrance exams" ...and they do have all the resources available to them. lack of zeal is the problem here. lower iqs etc can be dealt with later if zeal is there.

yes, iq does not count for anything. 😛 after all, any idiot (iq below 25), imbecile (iq between 25 and 50), and moron (iq between 50 and 80) can do well, no? 😆 especially when it comes to rising above poverty, wat say? 😛 😉 😆

btw, isnt there some overlap between the morons and the 70 to 90 iq fellas?😉 😆