Partition - did it help or hinder? - Page 5

Originally posted by: chatbuster

i think 20 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago, a lot of indians would have thought that partition was a bad thing. most pakistanis would have believed the opposite. tables have turned now.

it did cost both countries huge amounts in arming themselves, money that could have been spent on other priority items. that was a huge waste for sure. but now, years after the fact, indians can be happy that they will not continue getting dragged down to least common denominator levels between the two countries. given that india is prospering more, is thriving, is enjoying the fruits of a multicultural vibrant open society, who needs all those old stories of harmony? the past in any case always looks peaceful and glorious, but how much of the harmony was for real?

I feel the past harmony was lot more real than what we have currently b/w the two communities in India......watch Khamosh Paani...you'll know what I am talking about.

If partition did not happen, all this dirty politics of religion would not be at it's worst like it is today. The insurgency of hard core fanatic islamic sect started flourishing in Pakistaan around Zia Ul Haq's regime. We could have stopped that and terrorism would not have been as ugly as it is right now if we were still one country...after all we did handle the khalistaan issue too....of course indira gandhi created it and then controlled it...but it was possible to control as they were in our country...not a separate one...right.

....and we would have had the number one cricket team in the world😆...barring the performance of both teams in this world cup😆

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

I feel the past harmony was lot more real than what we have currently b/w the two communities in India......watch Khamosh Paani...you'll know what I am talking about.

not seen it. but would assume it is one depiction. we probably dont have sufficient info anyway because our efforts were united against the british. but whatever history there was before, wasnt too positive. jinnah in fact exploited the fear of a possible hindu backlash against prior history of muslim cruelty/ rule.

If partition did not happen, all this dirty politics of religion would not be at it's worst like it is today....and we would have had the number one cricket team in the world😆...barring the performance of both teams in this world cup😆

lol. and who'd be the captain? or would we go to war over that internally?

for me the cost-benefit analysis begins with lost lives, bad feelings and huge defense expenditures as a result of partition. on the positive side, we've probably been able to create a real multicultural society, unimpeded by the distractions of trying to bend over backwards to integrate an even bigger muslim contingent. the voices of inhibition would have likely led to various curbs on free expression, entertainment, and openness, some of the problems we see in pakistan. imo, we have gained tremendously because of these factors in terms of lifting millions out of poverty and creating a better life for them, something of huge generational impact

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Originally posted by: chatbuster

for me the cost-benefit analysis begins with lost lives, bad feelings and huge defense expenditures as a result of partition.

no doubt about it.....biggest migration in the history of world with all the emotional/financial baggage attached. If we could have saved all that, we would have been more united today....don't you think so?

on the positive side, we've probably been able to create a real multicultural society, unimpeded by the distractions of trying to bend over backwards to integrate an even bigger muslim contingent. the voices of inhibition would have likely led to various curbs on free expression, entertainment, and openness, some of the problems we see in pakistan.

hmmm...agree with you here. But Pakistani muslims became overly conservative over a period of time. They were not like that at the time of partition. If there was no pakistan, may be we would not have seen these problems either.

imo, we have gained tremendously because of these factors in terms of lifting millions out of poverty and creating a better life for them, something of huge generational impact

but we could still have lifted millions from poverty because we would not be incurring as high defence costs as we do currently. What exactly did India gain out of partition when we had so many muslims staying back where as pretty much all hindus were driven out of pakistan??? Nothing against muslims...just curious.....may be we would have gained more if we conducted the migration in a better organized manner than the bloodbath that actually happened.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

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there'd probably have been continued and greater sectarian violence. happening in pakistan today even amongst the muslims. with hindus in the mix, who knows? right now with 15% muslim population, we've also had laws and such to accomodate their special requirements, developments which undermined the principle of consistent equal rights for all and created resentment. there have been costs too for that resentment- occasional riots, unproductive activity etc. With a larger minority population, those problems would have been compounded. plus, am not certain we would have had all the other openness and consumerism that is driving our economy and our social life. simple electoral economics. in a way, we'd have ended up as some average of bangladesh, india and pakistan. not sure those averages work in our favor anymore😉

Originally posted by: chatbuster

there'd probably have been continued and greater sectarian violence. happening in pakistan today even amongst the muslims. with hindus in the mix, who knows? right now with 15% muslim population, we've also had laws and such to accomodate their special requirements, developments which undermined the principle of consistent equal rights for all and created resentment. there have been costs too for that resentment- occasional riots, unproductive activity etc. With a larger minority population, those problems would have been compounded. plus, am not certain we would have had all the other openness and consumerism that is driving our economy and our social life. simple electoral economics. in a way, we'd have ended up as some average of bangladesh, india and pakistan. not sure those averages work in our favor anymore😉

I don't speak against partition. In fact, I would have favored few more parts than just two. However, IMO, a cleaner partition would have helped us. For example, how about a Uniform civil code and no minority benefits? Choose your nation and live according to its laws and just like all its citizens. Kashmir issue also needed to be resolved early on. Tibet should have been better protected instead of staying busy solving other border issues. Without partition, we may have faired worse, but even now, we are not doing our best being hampered by unresolved issues.

Originally posted by: chatbuster

there'd probably have been continued and greater sectarian violence. happening in pakistan today even amongst the muslims. with hindus in the mix, who knows? right now with 15% muslim population, we've also had laws and such to accomodate their special requirements, developments which undermined the principle of consistent equal rights for all and created resentment. there have been costs too for that resentment- occasional riots, unproductive activity etc. With a larger minority population, those problems would have been compounded. plus, am not certain we would have had all the other openness and consumerism that is driving our economy and our social life. simple electoral economics. in a way, we'd have ended up as some average of bangladesh, india and pakistan. not sure those averages work in our favor anymore😉

hmmmm...yeah...makes sense. darn it CB...I am finding myself agreeing with you😡......for a change😆😆

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

hmmmm...yeah...makes sense. darn it CB...I am finding myself agreeing with you😡......for a change😆😆

haha dont agree more often. i mean someone could get booked under the special provisions of the "repeat offenders act". or is it "habitual offender"?😆

ab uniform code hota toh i would have known😉

Originally posted by: chatbuster

haha dont agree more often. i mean someone could get booked under the special provisions of the "repeat offenders act". or is it "habitual offender"?😆

ab uniform code hota toh i would have known😉

😆 how about "once in a blue moon offender act"😛😆 we really don't agree with each other on the forum that much...do we😉

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

😆 how about "once in a blue moon offender act"😛😆 we really don't agree with each other on the forum that much...do we😉

cant agree with that now can i?😛

hey, stop making me spam. ab tak spotless record thha😡😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

cant agree with that now can i?😛

hey, stop making me spam. ab tak spotless record thha😡😆

😆😆 kabhi na kabhi kahin na kahin her koi phisalta hai Rahul😆 tumhara spotless record toh gaya kaam sey😈

okay...back to topic.....so, what exactly do you think went wrong with the way that partition fiasco unfolded and later swept under the rug???

I would say Gandhi and Nehru turned it in to the tragedy that unfolded at that time and affected so many families...marring some of them for life.