Partition - did it help or hinder? - Page 3

Affect of living in the middle of terrorism (result of partition??) in Kashmir = loads of young people committing suicide in Kashmir 😕

Originally posted by: mittijalebi

one of the darkest moments of indian history was the partition of our country in 1947. we cannot even begin to imagine the horror that was faced by all the people at that time.

my question is: was partition good for our country's development, existence, etc or did it hinder it?

The whole present day politics of Southeast Asia is the end result of partition in one way or the other.

I agree with QT that partition was a half-a**ed effort that was never completed. A lot of people that were caught in the middle of it or it's aftermath (like Kashmiri pundits) are still waiting for some sort of closing.

We would have been lot better if either the partition was not initiated at all or was completed and closed properly. The bitterness between the hindus and muslims and the resulting communal roits that still shake the country every now and then would have been diminished, if not done away with totally.

Gandhi, Nehru, and Jinnah were at the center of this partition fiasco. Sometimes, I feel that Gandhi actually acted more like father of pakistan than India. All the resulting secular politics post partition have not helped India or Indian hindus in all these years of inedpendence.

World's greates and bloodiest migration which impacted about 10-15 million people in both countries and around 10-15 thousand women, the collateral victims of men's politics, who were used as punching pillows across both sides of the border and lost everything that is precious to a woman....her family, her pride, her honor...most of all her zeal of life. How can something which ravaged the very core of womanhood (and humanity in general) to this extent be ever useful for any country.

QT, I agree with your views here. Partition was hasty and handled inappropriately and the communal hatred that we see in southeast asia today is the direct result of how things were handled during partition.

Vinu, being a proud Indian and being an ignorant Indian are two different things. I am a proud Indian but I do not fall for all the mumbo jumbo about the so called over glorifird praise of us Indians' and India's accomplishments that we receive in chain emails without taking it with a pinch of salt.

While searching on this topic I found this book....

The Partition of India by Dr.Ambedkar

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

While searching on this topic I found this book....

The Partition of India by Dr.Ambedkar

thanks deepak...will take a look at it😊

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

The whole present day politics of Southeast Asia is the end result of partition in one way or the other.

I agree with QT that partition was a half-a**ed effort that was never completed. A lot of people that were caught in the middle of it or it's aftermath (like Kashmiri pundits) are still waiting for some sort of closing.

We would have been lot better if either the partition was not initiated at all or was completed and closed properly. The bitterness between the hindus and muslims and the resulting communal roits that still shake the country every now and then would have been diminished, if not done away with totally.

Gandhi, Nehru, and Jinnah were at the center of this partition fiasco. Sometimes, I feel that Gandhi actually acted more like father of pakistan than India. All the resulting secular politics post partition have not helped India or Indian hindus in all these years of inedpendence.

World's greates and bloodiest migration which impacted about 10-15 million people in both countries and around 10-15 thousand women, the collateral victims of men's politics, who were used as punching pillows across both sides of the border and lost everything that is precious to a woman....her family, her pride, her honor...most of all her zeal of life. How can something which ravaged the very core of womanhood (and humanity in general) to this extent be ever useful for any country.

QT, I agree with your views here. Partition was hasty and handled inappropriately and the communal hatred that we see in southeast asia today is the direct result of how things were handled during partition.

Vinu, being a proud Indian and being an ignorant Indian are two different things. I am a proud Indian but I do not fall for all the mumbo jumbo about the so called over glorifird praise of us Indians' and India's accomplishments that we receive in chain emails without taking it with a pinch of salt.

very nicely said gauri 👏👏
the point i am trying to make vinu, is that we all are proud, but unless we acknowledge there is a problem, we'll never work proactively to resolve it. Just because other countries are victims too, does not mean we are better than them.. I am glad you figured that life in kashmir is not as hunky dory as you posted it to be earlier. The situation clearly reflects hasty partition. Its reparcations have also been experiences by several thousands of people in other parts of India- which are equally near and dear to me being a true Indian.
When regionalism disappears, bomb blasts and riots is other parts of India are not labeled as "Chhoteesee baat" by a resident of another part, when entire southern part of India is not eliminated from a reality TV show airing on Indian channels 😉 and true sense of ONE-NESS arises, it will be the "heaven of freedom" Gurudev Ravindranath "wished for his country to awake into"

Originally posted by: mittijalebi

one of the darkest moments of indian history was the partition of our country in 1947. we cannot even begin to imagine the horror that was faced by all the people at that time.

having said that

my question is: was partition good for our country's development, existence, etc or did it hinder it?

Where were we 60 years ago? 2.4% of the World Economy, now we are roughly at 6% and expected to be doubling every 10 years, if you look at where we have reached inspite of seeing a population explosion, inspite of the people who left creating problems day by day.

Maintained democracy, increased standard of living for people, if there was no partition we would have just been dragged down, more of Syed Shahbuddin's would have been roaming around driving more attention away from the growths

Germany/Japan/India/Pakistan pretty much started from shambles in 1940's

India is ahead of Pakistan and German, pretty good considering we more than doubled our population

if you add the population of Pakistan and Bangladesh with that and check the GDP and see how it affects and tell if Partition hurts or helps(with due respect to the casualties during the time of partition) in todays day and age and draw a sane conclusion.

20 years ago, these countries if they did not like any of India's actions would have put a embargo on India, now they have learnt by experience it hurts them more

all despite no help from people who accounted for the "supposed" Brain Drain😉

So Hell yeah, best thing that Gandhiji/Jinnah did for the new India giving them a blessing of partition😃

There are problems yes, but who in the world doesnt have problems? America/Britain/India have to deal with terrorism, India/China have to deal with population, but with proper leadership they will overcome it

Originally posted by: mittijalebi

my question is: was partition good for our country's development, existence, etc or did it hinder it?

Partition didn't make any difference to India's development or existence other than hurting some people who lived through it. The purpose of partition was not achieved. People stayed back and we still have all those issues which existed before partition.

Originally posted by: sareg

Hey Sareg, nice to see you after such a long time.

Do you think if we did not have partition or had a fully effective (as initially desired) partition, India would have progressed more?

Originally posted by: Maya_M

Partition didn't make any difference to India's development or existence other than hurting some people who lived through it. The purpose of partition was not achieved. People stayed back and we still have all those issues which existed before partition.

exactly my point. So, partition ended up harming us more than it benefitted us...right!!!

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Hey Sareg, nice to see you after such a long time.

Do you think if we did not have partition or had a fully effective (as initially desired) partition, India would have progressed more?

If we did not have partition, we would have far more internal strife than what we see now, so no we would not have progressed more

If it was a fully effective partition, India would not have progressed as much, Muslims in current India have contributed heavily to the current economy(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslims_of_independent_ India), contributions that would be hard/impossible to replace

Most of the people who live in India currently live over there by choice, barring a very fraction of a %ge who have been disillusioned by ones who left during partition that pasture if "greener" on the other side, perhaps we should leave the door of immigration open to them too😉