Partition - did it help or hinder?

one of the darkest moments of indian history was the partition of our country in 1947. we cannot even begin to imagine the horror that was faced by all the people at that time.

my question is: was partition good for our country's development, existence, etc or did it hinder it?

it wasn't a job completed.

hence hindering imo. i also think the unification of states is a glorified myth and huge failure. we fight over languages, customs, river-water, national anthem and everything under the sun except when border-issues arise. In my eyes, divided we are- United in our dreams and on fancy papers 😉

I reckon that currently we seem to be doing fine in terms of technological advancement, making ourself more conspicuous on thw world map,
but we deal with occasional social unrest and terrorism, which I do like to blame on a very inefficient division and/or unification at the time of independence.

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

it wasn't a job completed.

hence hindering imo. i also think the unification of states is a glorified myth and huge failure. we fight over languages, customs, river-water, national anthem and everything under the sun except when border-issues arise. In my eyes, divided we are- United in our dreams and on fancy papers 😉

Which country dont have internal fights? which country dont have the color or cast or religion probs?? you can tell any single country?

India developed a lot..............If you visit villages you can find the differce...dont say its fancy on papers😳😊

We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America, even faring better than the whites and the natives.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are! Indians.

We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made. --Albert Einstein.

India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the great grand mother of tradition. --Mark Twain.

If there is one place on the face of earth where all dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India . --French scholar Romain Rolland.

India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.
Hu Shih (former Chinese ambassador to USA )

Some of the following facts may be known to you. These facts were recently published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS ABOUT INDIA.
1. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history.
2. India invented the Number system. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta.
3. The world's first University was established in Takshila in 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4 th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.
4. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software.

5. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.
6. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty striken and underdeveloped through political corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth.

7. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH.
8. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is now k! nown as the Pythagorean Theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan's works dates to the 6 th Century which is long before the European mathematicians.

9. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India . Quadratic equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11 th Century; the largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used numbers as big as 10 53.
10. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world.

11. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was Pr! ofessor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.
12. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra.

13. Chess was invented in India .
14. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India .
15. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley ( Indus Valley Civilisation).
16. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC.

ALL OF THE ABOVE IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, THE LIST COULD BE ENDLESS.
BUT, if we don't see even a glimpse of that great India in the India that we see today, it clearly means that we are not working up to our potential; and that if we do,
we could once again be an evershining and inspiring country setting a bright path for rest of the world to follow.
I hope you enjoyed it and work towards the welfare of INDIA .

Say proudly, I AM AN INDIAN.

regards

Vinu nair.😊 Believe in Best😊

Originally posted by: Believe

Which country dont have internal fights? which country dont have the color or cast or religion probs?? you can tell any single country?

India developed a lot..............If you visit villages you can find the differce...dont say its fancy on papers😳😊

We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America, even faring better than the whites and the natives.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are! Indians.

Some of the following facts may be known to you. These facts were recently published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS ABOUT INDIA.

Say proudly, I AM AN INDIAN.
regards
Vinu nair.😊 Believe in Best😊

I read that circulated email several years ago vinu. 😆 it quite doesn't explain HOW partition was causative of all that glory from 15 centuries ago 😉
As per the number of accomplished and intellectual individuals in the USA- why do you think such smart ppl are in the USA then 😉 .. How are you justifying progress of nation based on intelligence that settled outside of it in some way? (many of them are US citizens btw)

Coming back to the actual topic of partition, i adhere to my views. it was an imcomplete and a shabby job, a causative of today's terrorism to a great extent.

About your question of which country is not devoid of trouble- that no other country is perfect either, doesn't make us better / great 😉

We have problems, and unless we accept them and stop glorifying ourselves based on Aryabhatta's astronomy and % of indians in NASA, we'll never seek solutions either. jmho.
As far as being a proud indian goes, yes, i am proud of all its goodness, but that doesn;t stop me from being a critic of what i find unaceptable and hampering in the country's growth.
If my views bother u, then please know that I am a foreigner born (outside of india) to parents of Indian origin and you can disregard my views. hehe

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

I read that circulated email several years ago vinu. 😆 bt sometime its useful to read again.. it quite doesn't explain HOW partition was causative of all that glory from 15 centuries ago 😉
As per the number of accomplished and intellectual individuals in the USA- why do you think such smart ppl are in the USA then 😉 .. How are you justifying progress of nation based on intelligence that settled outside of it in some way? (many of them are US citizens btw)......Who told All US settled Indian are inteligent, 😆 India producing lot of scholers n genious, so some of them are working diff countries...with in 50 years if we can do like that its gr8 thing.
Coming back to the actual topic of partition, i adhere to my views. it was an imcomplete and a shabby job, a causative of today's terrorism to a great extent. .... All do terrorism one way or in another way....US doing big terrorism in lot of place...different ways...Partition happend 50years b4 that time its big disappointment to all...but if you check the statistics...double of muslim staying in india happly with full freedom. no internal fight between shia or sunni like Pak...here all are living happly, The 2nd largest populated counties like india...small small clash happen, its natural.

About your question of which country is not devoid of trouble- that no other country is perfect either, doesn't make us better / great 😉

We have problems, and unless we accept them and stop glorifying ourselves based on Aryabhatta's astronomy and % of indians in NASA, we'll never seek solutions either. jmho. Some people shy to tell they are indian....just shoot them....😉😛
As far as being a proud indian goes, yes, i am proud of all its goodness, but that doesn;t stop me from being a critic of what i find unaceptable and hampering in the country's growth. If my views bother u, then please know that I am a foreigner born (outside of india) to parents of Indian origin and you can disregard my views. hehe

i like to dedicate a short joke for u...

A first grade teacher explains to her class that she is an American.
She asks her students to raise their hands if they were American too.
Not really knowing why but wanting to be like their teacher, their hands
explode into the air like flashy fireworks.
There is, however, one exception.
A boy named Rupy has not gone along with the crowd.
The teacher asks him why he has decided to be different.
"Because I am not an American." replied Ajay.
"Then", asks the teacher, "What are you?"
"I'm a proud Indian," boasts the little boy.
The teacher is a little perturbed now, her face slightly red. She asks Ajay
why he is an Indian.
"Well", my mom and dad are Indians, "so I'm an Indian too."
The teacher is now angry. "That's no reason", she says loudly "if your mom
was an idiot, and your dad was an idiot, what would you be then?"
A pause, and a smile.
"Then..." says Ajay,
"I'd be an American."

vinu, with due regards,
the last part - i find such articles of wise thoughts 😉 rather offensive than funny 😛 being proud of one's heritage does not mean making baseless remarks at others.

also, can we please stick to partition and not bring USA into this? I'd appreciate that since you are quoting me. tnq 😳.
you gave % of indian born working for blah in US.. hence i mentioned that point. The above 2 posts are actually nothing but deviation from the topic imo.

I like the hunky dory happy talk of all dwelling happily, but you seem to have forgotten some of the major incidences that did negatively influence social and economic conditions during the periods of unrest.

1. whatever happened to Kashmir since early 80s and can u tell where the hindus fled? It was a mini partition that nobody except Kashmiri Pundits are left to cry for! the rest singing glory of the land sometimes appear to be unaware 😊
2. babri masjid - unrest in major cities after, political and social impact
3. mumbai blasts - damage to life, econnomy
4. gujarat riots - damage, political and social unrest
5. hyderabad riots - political, social unrest, damage
6. rajasthan riots- unrest
7. mumbai blasts again - damage

terrorism i reckon is global, but with a cleaner partition, we could have controlled the negative and angry elements within our society. and perhaps given the Kashmiri Hindus- as Indian as yourself, the right to enjoy their beautiful state, their kashmir😛.

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

vinu, with due regards,
i find such articles of wise thoughts 😉 rather offensive than funny 😛
being proud of one's heritage does not mean making baseless remarks at others.
also, can we please stick to partition and not bring USA into this? I'd appreciate that since you are quoting me. tnq 😳.

When you talking about terrorism.....that's why i mention about US,i dont think it basless..then about partition, most of the leaders and people against partition and some agree with partition,left india, some enjoy the indias culture,freedom,harmony,heritage and unity. At that time India's position is Zero, now we are one of the world's one of the powerful and developing nation.

bade bade dheeshooo main aise chote chote probs hote rahta hey...

kuch be hoo phir be dil hey hindustani...😊

Originally posted by: mittijalebi

one of the darkest moments of indian history was the partition of our country in 1947. we cannot even begin to imagine the horror that was faced by all the people at that time.

my question is: was partition good for our country's development, existence, etc or did it hinder it?

I believe that the partition of India and Pakistan was certainly not good which happened in 1947 because jabi hum apna ghar divide karte hai to hum sirf apne ghar he divide nahi karte par apna dil bhi divide ho jate hai. Dilo mein bhi daraare pad jati hai. But what could we do now. As far as country's development is certained, India is developing very fast. Its the world's twelfth largest economy and the fourth largest in purchasing power. Our IT industry is stronger than China because we have an edge over Chinese in English language. We can communicate in English very well but most of the Chinese cannot. Currently, the Indian economy is among the fastest growing in the world. But there are some flaws in Indian politics such as quota system/reservations based on religions and caste which is stopping India from being a developed country. Our infrastructure is improving very fast. recently I have been to India, places such as Mumbai, Gujarat, Chennai, and Banglore and the infrastructure is improved a lot compared to 5-10 years ago.

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

vinu, with due regards,
the last part - i find such articles of wise thoughts 😉 rather offensive than funny 😛 being proud of one's heritage does not mean making baseless remarks at others.

also, can we please stick to partition and not bring USA into this? I'd appreciate that since you are quoting me. tnq 😳.
you gave % of indian born working for blah in US.. hence i mentioned that point. The above 2 posts are actually nothing but deviation from the topic imo.

I like the hunky dory happy talk of all dwelling happily, but you seem to have forgotten some of the major incidences that did negatively influence social and economic conditions during the periods of unrest.

1. whatever happened to Kashmir since early 80s and can u tell where the hindus fled? It was a mini partition that nobody except Kashmiri Pundits are left to cry for! the rest singing glory of the land sometimes appear to be unaware 😊--
2. babri masjid - unrest in major cities after, political and social impact
3. mumbai blasts - damage to life, econnomy
4. gujarat riots - damage, political and social unrest
5. hyderabad riots - political, social unrest, damage
6. rajasthan riots- unrest
7. mumbai blasts again - damage

terrorism i reckon is global, but with a cleaner partition, we could have controlled the negative and angry elements within our society. and perhaps given the Kashmiri Hindus- as Indian as yourself, the right to enjoy their beautiful state, their kashmir😛.

Thank god you only found,3,4 riots after partition...😆 Can you check again wats india's population...😊As far as india's concern...People having different religion more then 10,15+ religion living together, and its world 2nd populated country..so small clashes its natural. and All hindus and muslim not always in tension mood, very little percentage .05% only have the probs...in a good group One person is enough to distroy that group image,same like that. I agree that there are some bad point also there...

30 years back China was in worse condition than India.
The GDP of India was more than that of China. Now China's GDP is almost 3 times that of India's. USA got independence 250 years ago ,still you can
find people living in the streets there.😆 India got its independence 60 years back . In another 50 years I'm sure there will be atleast no one will be going hungry in india.30 years back China was in worse condition than India.
As such a handful of them will not make any difference.
What India needs is lots of industries.
The IT sector has got lots of attention in India.
But the IT sector can only employ the highly educated ones.

Most of the poor people are unskilled or semi skilled people.
They can only be employed in factories and industries.
Here India should learn from China.
China employs more than 100 million people in the manufacturing sector
whereas India employs less than 10 million.
This is a huge difference and the reason why China has been so
successful in reducing its poverty level.

All the folks out there tell your rich NRI dads to open up some kind of factories in India.

Originally posted by: Believe

When you talking about terrorism.....that's why i mention about US,i dont think it basless..then about partition, most of the leaders and people against partition and some agree with partition,left india, some enjoy the indias culture,freedom,harmony,heritage and unity. At that time India's position is Zero, now we are one of the world's one of the powerful and developing nation.

bade bade dheeshooo main aise chote chote probs hote rahta hey...

kuch be hoo phir be dil hey hindustani...😊

Vinu ji, the baseless comment was at the joke you quoted where the smart mouth calls american stupid 😛. It is a baseless statement.

See.. ?? Chhote chhote problems? Do you even begin to fathom how big these problems are? I will give you two examples, and make it a bit personal with apology-

1. Many ignorant poeple judge every Muslim as a terrorist- ask them how they feel about it and where the shoe pinches.. Unclean partition has hurt them the most I say!

2. Can someone come and kick your entire community out of your state like the kashmiri pundits were kicked out of Kashmir?? How Chhote Chhote will you find the problems then, leaving your property, your life, your identity behind and becoming refugees in your own motherland??
Yeah.. dil hai Hindustani, cos you clearly do not come across as someone who has faced either of the above two scenarios😉.