Lesson for Bollywood - Page 3

Originally posted by: mintyblue

You found LSC boring? I thought it had all the ingredients to please the masses. Indians are an emotional lot, and this movie was full of emotions.

yes, it was slow-paced, I do agree, but in 2018 a movie like October garnered 58.41 crores despite being completely "slow", and with Varun Dhawan as opposed to a big star like Aamir Khan.

It's not about the pace. Aamir just looked terrible to me - looks, acting, etc. It was hard for me to connect. Then there were the side characters. Bubba and Lt Dan were scintillating in FG. Esp Lt Dan. LSC was, as usual with all Aamir movies, all about Aamir. Also, movie trying to preach a little too much. I mean, I'm OK with social justice thrown in, but there has to be some subtlety to it.

No. RW cancel culture impact is real.

There are people who actually believe lies on Khans that Aamir and SRK threatened to return their Padma awards or they are linked to ISI, Hafeez Sayeed or that they threatened to leave India if Modi became PM, all of which is NOT true.

There is also a false meme attributed to Aamir claiming he said to stop pouring milk on Shivling and donate to poor instead. Though he never said it in any interviews or on SMJ. There is also a fake interview attributed to Aamir that is going viral for over a decade now wherw a false statement is attributed to him that 'My wives may be Hindus but my kids will only follow Islam'. Aamir has always said it is not his interview but a fake one posted online but he still gets labeled a bigot for it.

Snapdeal and Tata Sky threw out Aamir after boycott trend against him for that intolerance statement in 2015. Toyota dropped Aamir from their Innova ad after BJP went after him for NBA issue in 2006.

Effect of RW propaganda and cancel culture is real.

Image of Khans is dented a lot among masses thanks to propaganda against them online or accusing them of being anti national, anti Hindu or linking them to ISI or Jihad.

I thought it was troll stuff. Now when I see people in real life believing these forwards on WA I realise impact is real.

Manyawar took ad off air after kanyadaan controversy and so did Dabur after showing same sex couple in karva chauth.

As of now, Phone pe is showing only Alia in ads and reducing or cutting Aamir portions in those ads though both of them endorse this brand.

I think Dangal got saved due to patriotism angle and Phogats being close to BJP and as it was a good story.

But given the build up of antipathy and propaganda against Aamir, Bebo and Atul Kulkarni, I am not surprised it had some role in denting LSC though I also think LSC is the least marketed AK film in a decade. IDK why he did not market it the way he makes an event out of his film releases otherwise.

Fate of Sadak 2, Gunjan Saxena and others are known to all. Gunjan Saxena was bashed by RW MRAs claiming it was anti male as well.

Originally posted by: mintyblue

I don't know if I have the answer to your question but I am sure it has some effect on the larger public sensibilities.

For example -- My driver used to watch Salman Khan movies in the theatre but has started seeing the Khans as enemies ever since Modi govt. started with their propaganda. It's not just him but the country as a whole has become more intolerant of Muslims and liberal values. Bollywood was targeted when Sushant Singh Rajput committed suicide, and was painted in a bad light. This cancel culture started from there.

I don't know the statistics, but surely it has some effect on the general movie-going public? especially those who are brainwashed easily?

SSR not committed suicide, but I agree they used this topic for their agenda,,,,,

But what they did against Salman bhai? I dont get it, Aamir facing this coz of his intolerance comment but what Salman did? infact Salman is good their good books,,,

As if Bollywood was doing a ton of social, political or religious political commentary in the first place. The likes of RS, Kjo etc went and took photos with the leader himself did it prevent their movies from being targeted? Heck Aamir himself tried to extend the olive branch and they still boycotted his movie. Bollywood is failing because it is lazy as an industry(content is already mediocre ) and they didn't try to push back as a fraternity when they started being targeted by these trends.

Bollywood (and the armed forces) have always been a separate community which do not follow the normal categorization of caste and religion. Do not mistake. There are cliques and different strata. Talking about Bollywood, the old families have tangled ties of friendships and favors going back to the Independence and mixed marriages between religions barely raise an eyebrow. Entertainers have always been like that even in pre-Independent India.

Do not underestimate the power of cinema as a propaganda machine.There is a concentrated effort to use the SSR Bots to topple the established families and raise a new order.But the bots are a two-edged sword who take offense at everything.

75 years of Independence and we are advocating muzzling the fundamental rights of celebrities to speak for issues they feel for. The irony 😒

If you are a citizen of India, you have the right to stand for and speak for the causes you believe in. This right isn’t dependent on your profession. Just because they are celebrities doesn’t mean we should ask them to shut up and bully them into silence.

Also, irrespective of whether people are experts on a subject matter or not, they do carry an opinion. For example, a lot of the members here aren’t professional Bollywood analysts, but choose to give their opinions on why films aren’t working.

People also have the right to share whatever they please on their own social media profiles. Don’t like it, don’t follow them.

@ TM - Also, if you truly believe in what you have written, whatever your profession is, you should stop expressing on India Forums and focus only on that profession. What right do YOU have to express your opinion? Are YOU an expert on this topic? What are YOUR qualifications to speak on this issue?

Please don’t exercise your rights, while berating others for exercising theirs.

Originally posted by: atominis

Aamir never said Hindus are intolerant and did NOT name any single particular community. He only said intolerance increased in India and his wife is concerned about what she reads in papers about happenings. He never blamed any single community.

So stop copy pasting same false claim when his interview is there for anyone to see.

And his words on intolerance were right. Any violence over petty reasons is wrong. Nowadays people are targeted over even memes or SM posts so Aamir was not wrong and even SRK was right about intolerance.

Naseer too was right on fanaticism of BOTH communities. He had criticised all communities for increased vigilantism incidents.

Javed also criticises fanaticism of all communities. Yet only one political group targets them and we all know why. They do not represent any religion but are paid political trolls.

Naseer and Javed are as fake as a Lego brick. Naseer had earlier opposed Nuur Sharma's comment, saying "She would be beheaded in other Islamic countries". Javed had earlier opposed Salman Rushdie and supported the ban on Satanic Verses.

They are both extreme hypocritical arseholes.

Indian left wing has some ideologies that would be considered right wing in western world and vice versa.. the whole left wing/right wing concept in Indian context is a bit skewed..

I agree that Bollywood actors are dealing with image issues, but refraining from expressing one's views is not the solution or that necessary IMO.

What Bollywood needs to learn is that content is king. Audience won’t settle for mediocre movies now .

To be honest, all of these reasons you mentioned are minuscule; audiences will flock to theatres if they find the film interesting and anticipate a great theatre experience.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Salman gave hits even after flying kites with Mr Modi .