Lesson for Bollywood - Page 12

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/crimes-against-dalits-tribals-increased-in-covid-pandemic-year-ncrb-101631731260293.html

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/crimes-against-dalits-tribals-increased-in-covid-pandemic-year-ncrb-101631731260293.html

crimes against SC/ST I honestly have less knowledge about compared to violence between hindus n muslims.

But I will say this - I hope you are not assuming that muslims don't commit crimes against SCs/STs or that there is lack of caste division among muslims or Christians..because I do know enough to say that these assumptions are wrong.

DilDolare, did you r e a l l y read a l l the comments of atominis? I doubt. If you did, you would have known that it is not about only attacking Hindus...not at all!

Violent behaviour, hate writing, threats and similar hostile behaviour is a steadily increasing wrongdoing of h u m a n s...and as we discuss Hindi Filmindustry and India here, these humans belongs to the Indian population, they are I n d i a n s.

The government, the political parties, the audience of hate speeches and/or movies are Indians, the followers of antidemocratic and disrespectful behaviour are first of all Indians (with quite different agendas). And so are the targets...

Insisting on putting wrongdoers into boxes by stressing religion or caste or profession or gender (or whatever else) is diverting from the fact that it is above all humans against humans.

It is a choice one does...one can choose to get instigated to act badly or one can choose to not doing it...the problem is that there is pressure (from within yourself, from your peers/friends/family, from superiors/bosses/officials)... Pressure generates fear or anger...and pressure needs a valve...

I think, far too many humans crack under pressure and won't keep their cool...n o t making the choice for violence and hatred by using whatever as justification demands a lot of inner strength...

Originally posted by: DilDolare

There is cast division among muslims, sikhs and christians also. Too many cases of muslims attacking dalits. Sikhs are not far behind. It's only recently in the news that they burnt a dalit guy. Christians didnt even allow priyanka's grandma a funeral at Churchill becoz she married a hindu.

And not to forget rampant misuse of sc/st act by some dalits.

Bold - Oh I don't think I've heard about it before

I know it very much exists among Indian Christians, I've seen it in person too, the way they talk about and treat Dalits

"Despite making up a significant number of the Christian population—both Catholic and Protestant—Dalit Christians have historically been shut out from church leadership. "

"To this day, Christians from different castes worship in different locations and bury their dead in separate graveyards in some Southern Indian congregations. Dalit believers face less overt discrimination in the northern and central parts of the country, if only because many Christians in these regions are from the Dalit or Tribal background themselves. Yet a discriminatory line remains, even though some parts of community life are shared."

I thought Indian Dalits find no refuge from caste in Christianity too but looks like no other religion either

Originally posted by: blahhhh

crimes against SC/ST I honestly have less knowledge about compared to violence between hindus n muslims.

But I will say this - I hope you are not assuming that muslims don't commit crimes against SCs/STs or that there is lack of caste division among muslims or Christians..because I do know enough to say that these assumptions are wrong.

I know with certainty there's a great deal of crimes against SC ST among Christians too. I am a Christian and am quite aware of the shortcomings of my community. The crimes by the church against children and ordained women for instance.

Was just responding to the suggestion Hindu community doesn't commit violence as much as Muslims.

I don't think we interacted much, but I've made comments you might not have seen about Islam needing to be dragged into 21st century like the rest of the religions. It doesn't mean everyone else is a dhoodh ka dhula.

Thing is Islamic principles are the basis of government in many countries unlike other religions. This creates a greater problem because some of the crimes are actually state-sanctioned. The Salman Rushdie stabbing for instance. And then there's the tendency by the West to overlook some of the gross crimes on the basis of guilt trips (for Christian crimes from the past, I suppose).

Bottomline is religion has become about the power to control the masses. It really has nothing to do with God or faith anymore.

Respected Medha_Sree and JustWandering, you wanted to make this public and act like 5 year-old tantrum-throwing kids, so let's make this public and treat you like kids. Both of you will stop this bashing and boring fights. No one here is amused or interested.

We don't care who started it, we will stop it by giving both of you WLs and limiting the number of posts you both can make. If you still insist on continuing after that, we will continue to give you WLs until you both are banned or come up with new ways to fight so at least we are entertained.

Now that I have your attention, take this public ONE AND ONLY WARNING and post very seriously. Personal attacks and bashing are both against IF rules. Tagging mods to get our attention without using the report feature and without giving us at least 24 hours is also against IF rules. Both of these can and will lead to WLs in the future should you continue to entertain these rather childish tactics. If you have problems with each other, stop responding to each other. This includes, but is not limited to, quoting each other, using the @ symbol for each other, tagging each other, and reacting to each other's posts. If you continue this in PM or scraps, note that is also within the realm of this warning if one or both of you report those as well.

Given I (on behalf of all the BWF mods) have made this abundantly clear that this is an ONE AND ONLY WARNING do not complain or crib when you both face WLs in the future.

With kindest regards,

A Rather Annoyed BWF Mod

Originally posted by: atominis

Come on. It is not just about Hindus. There are people of all communities who troll stars. Like Khans are always trolled for celebrating Hindu festivals or visiting mandirs. Or labeled a bad example for their community by trolls.

Some Sikh actors also get trolled all time for stuff like cutting hair or trimming beard or nowadays bashed for celebrating festivals of other religions by some fanatical trolls. One Sikh model was trolled for endorsing a razor.

I am personally fed up of this shitty meddling by trolls, political parties or religious groups misusing access they get to everyone through social media.

Anyway abusing anyone or running propaganda against them or spreading lies like linking someone to ISI is not right. Nor is attributing false statements to anyone. For eg SRK NEVER said he will leave India if Modi becomes PM. That meme is fake. Aamir and SRK never said they will return their Padma awards if Modi becomes PM. That propaganda will be called out and needs to be acted against by stars too.

Anyway why generalise Bollywood when only few celebs endorse PETA or are vegans? That means Amitabh does right thing if he keeps quiet on everything for fear of offending others and despite being vegetarian he never does public service message on this at all?

If all religious communities troll, why does only Hindus get blamed? Sanghi, bhakt, IT cell etc etc jibes come out.

Ketaki Chitale was in jail for over a month for sharing a post INDIRECTLY pointing at sharad Pawar. Did you see a peep from BW?

Feminists ko aaanp sungh gaya tha Kya? Why shouldn’t I expect them to say something? Wese toh Karva Chauth pe bahot gyan pelte hai. Toh 29 years old woman ke liye shabd nahi nikalte? Fascism yad bhi nai aata? Swara wese toh har topic pe gala faad ke chillati hai.

I don’t take these piddis seriously precisely for this reason. They will seat in the lap of political party which benefits them. Same with their fans. But if Karan Johar takes a photo with Modi, fans start calling him chatukar. Kyu bhai? Ab apni country ke PM ke sath photo nai le sakta? Toh Kya D bhai ke sath khada rahe toh aapko chalega?

AB Sr. stays clear not coz of fear. He knows that humans are hypocrites. And by not preaching, he makes it clear that he is not some superior person. It’s actually humble and admiring. Not like Sonam who thinks she is some I-kaun and preach to people.

Originally posted by: atominis

Which films recently have commented on any party? Films generally give only hints. Like Kissa kursi ka, Aandhi, Khubsoorat, Mere Apne indirectly hinted at Emergency, INC, Indira but did not take names.

Toilet ek prem katha. It was called propaganda film coz it discusses the topic of open defecation and govt scheme of building a toilet.
https://m.thewire.in/article/film/toilet-ek-prem-katha-review/amp

On this very forum, people made hue n cry. Why? Coz you can make movies that criticize the govt, not the ones where govt scheme which benefited people is shown. Typical LeLi.

Inko koi farak nai padta gareeb ke Ghar mein toilet banta hai toh. Apni roti sikni chahiye.

Originally posted by: MinionBoss

Respected Medha_Sree and JustWandering, you wanted to make this public and act like 5 year-old tantrum-throwing kids, so let's make this public and treat you like kids. Both of you will stop this bashing and boring fights. No one here is amused or interested.

We don't care who started it, we will stop it by giving both of you WLs and limiting the number of posts you both can make. If you still insist on continuing after that, we will continue to give you WLs until you both are banned or come up with new ways to fight so at least we are entertained.

Now that I have your attention, take this public ONE AND ONLY WARNING and post very seriously. Personal attacks and bashing are both against IF rules. Tagging mods to get our attention without using the report feature and without giving us at least 24 hours is also against IF rules. Both of these can and will lead to WLs in the future should you continue to entertain these rather childish tactics. If you have problems with each other, stop responding to each other. This includes, but is not limited to, quoting each other, using the @ symbol for each other, tagging each other, and reacting to each other's posts. If you continue this in PM or scraps, note that is also within the realm of this warning if one or both of you report those as well.

Given I (on behalf of all the BWF mods) have made this abundantly clear that this is an ONE AND ONLY WARNING do not complain or crib when you both face WLs in the future.

With kindest regards,

A Rather Annoyed BWF Mod

I can understand , don’t mind , me too annoyed bw mem.

I didn’t engage with this mem . He/she is crying for attention n continuously mocking me .

I didn’t engage with bullies , trolls here .They are mocking me for posting my pov on topics .

I am not interested too but everything has limit . Reported but no action . I was bullied , harassed here for yrs n still continuing mocking , reported n took notice to all but no action taken .

They are not making ppl to discuss on topic n decreasing forum activity . Already forum is dead n they are making forum dead forever .

thanks ,

annoyed bwf mem .

Originally posted by: atominis

All I am saying is that stars should choose words carefully and focus more on their work rather than oversharing about their personal life or forever making polarising comments on religion or caste or social or political issues.

The trend of being known more for offscreen statements and less for onscreen work is damaging and puts off fans also.

I want to see what my fav singer or actor sings or acts. I am not interested in what they eat or their personal life or what their beliefs are.

@bold — I agree here. Over sharing is problem.

Kareena got away with being stupid entitled nepo brat in early 2000s whereas Aloo can’t and Ananya will be grilled to no ends.