Apart from Hinduism,every religion is secular in India?

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sudesh kumar

@qwertyesque

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Posted: 9 years ago

#11

why do you have duplicate threads for the same thing..?

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abigail93

@abigail93

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Posted: 9 years ago

#12

Okay. This once, I'd say it's more of the media (also the social media) who is to blame for the situation we have come to.

Secularity is an ideal. If someone's using to bash another religion, I don't really think they're secular of maybe they just forgot to check with their dictionaries.

Thank you.

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chucknorris

@chucknorris

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Posted: 9 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: qwertyesque
the only way to be secular in india is
1. take care of minority feelings and insecurity means yielding to their requests
2. No yielding to majority requests if there is ambiguity around its impact on minorities...

nothing wrong with either.. this i how it is in the US

A 'minority' that Partitioned the nation is no minority at all - Sardar Patel.

Think we already made major concessions in 47 by yielding 40% of our land to a 'minority'. Balance is clear and no further concessions will be made. People who wanted minority favoritism made their decision and went to Pakistan.

Just because things are a certain way in US doesn't mean we have to ape that. Good ideas from anywhere are welcome. But must be tailored to local circumstances and applied. Lifting entire meme complexes from elsewhere and forcing it with scant regard to Indian traditions, history & complexity will only result in disaster. India is not USA and nor can you transpose the analogy between Whites and Blacks on Hindus and Muslims. Blacks did not carve out a separate country out of America nor were they a ruling elite for 1000 years in America.

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chucknorris

@chucknorris

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Posted: 9 years ago

#14

The US also cracks down heavily on Muslim extremism and even breaches basic constitutional rights by spying on its muslim citizens with patriot act and setting up spy rings in Mosques. There are states where sharia law is banned. Citizens can freely critique any religion they want. And Every US president has to swear on the Bible. How many seculars who want to ape US in every regard will be OK with something like that in India ?

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1047050

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Posted: 9 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: chucknorris
The US also cracks down heavily on Muslim extremism and even breaches basic constitutional rights by spying on its muslim citizens with patriot act and setting up spy rings in Mosques. Every US president has to swear on the Bible. How many seculars who want to ape US in every regard will be OK with something like that in India ?

Obama's chances to become President were almost scuttled because of his alleged Muslim ancestry. 😆

Should we ape this too?

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sudesh kumar

@qwertyesque

Rocker

Posted: 9 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: chucknorris

A 'minority' that Partitioned the nation is no minority at all - Sardar Patel.

Think we already made major concessions in 47 by yielding 40% of our land to a 'minority'. Balance is clear and no further concessions will be made. People who wanted minority favoritism made their decision and went to Pakistan.

Just because things are a certain way in US doesn't mean we have to ape that. Good ideas from anywhere are welcome. But must be tailored to local circumstances and applied. Lifting entire meme complexes from elsewhere and forcing it with scant regard to Indian traditions, history & complexity will only result in disaster. India is not USA and nor can you transpose the analogy between Whites and Blacks on Hindus and Muslims. Blacks did not carve out a separate country out of America nor were they a ruling elite for 1000 years in America.

Muslims have been secessionists by nature but many of them were and are attached to the portions of india.. and have that sense of belonging.. the partition was not more like hindu muslim.. its was jinnah's desire for power against Nehru so more political...

US has the same issue with secularism... 85% americans are christains yet chirstian values are trampled around gay marriage and abortion rights... they have their own battles.. every secular society is veri oddly poised!!! they forsake intents of minority to support some minority ideal... the difference is in india.. there is no uniform civil code and religions mingled with our judiciary. Gettting that out is becoming an ordeal these days!!!! How can we achieve the church/mosque/temple - state separation

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Shahid Ashrif

@Deepthought

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Posted: 9 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: holychicken
Apart from hindutva force like rss and its sister fanatic org ,hindu religion is secular which hv everthing in it even as far as charvak . The topic should be hindu vs hindutva.

You like the original poster haven't at all understood what the word secular means. All religions by their very nature are non-secular. They think their religion is superior to all others. Otherwise why are religions generally telling us their particular brand of 'soap' is better? Why get worked up about people converting to other faiths/relgions?

We are actually talking about society and how it is organised and run. For the state to give preference to or to be associated primarily with one religion or religious belief is to be non-secular. If the state gives greater weight to one religion over another, then by definition it cannot be secular. When the state operates regardless of the religious sentiments of all faiths, then it is secular.

BTW by its constitution, the UK is non-secular since the Queen, the head of state is also head of the Church of England. Apart from a few minor aspects like this and the fact that constitutionally a Catholic cannot become monarch, the day to day operations of government and society in general is in practice secular.

If the Indian constitution gives some advantage or preference to any one religion, be it Hinduism or Islam then it would be state is non-secular. If it gives no preference to Hinduism in the constutition only then would the state be constitutionally secular.

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sudesh kumar

@qwertyesque

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Posted: 9 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: Deepthought

You like the original poster haven't at all understood what the word secular means. All religions by their very nature are non-secular. They think their religion is superior to all others. Otherwise why are religions generally telling us their particular brand of 'soap' is better? Why get worked up about people converting to other faiths/relgions?

We are not talking about religions being secular, its about nations being secular. Secondly, hinduism is hardly like the religions you call non-secular.. Have you ever seen hinduism being promoted in a way christainity or islam is? Hindusim, buddhism are docile religions. They dont wage war or send missionaries to "make" people hindus... the only and only relgions which historically have led crusades is christainity and islam.. they dont believe in any other god but theirs.. hinduism is no where close!!! Dont let existence of RSS etc. mislead.. hindus hardly know how to fight for their religion... they just whine like RSS does... when was the last time non-hindus came across an hindu saying his soap is better?

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Bankim Chandra Chaterjee

@mr.ass

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Posted: 9 years ago

#19

qwertyesque.. you hit the nail right on the head. hinduism is a docile religion. too docile. we need not become violent gundas but we need to be a bit firmer.

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angrybread

@angrybread

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Posted: 9 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

We are not talking about religions being secular, its about nations being secular. Secondly, hinduism is hardly like the religions you call non-secular.. Have you ever seen hinduism being promoted in a way christainity or islam is? Hindusim, buddhism are docile religions. They dont wage war or send missionaries to "make" people hindus... the only and only relgions which historically have led crusades is christainity and islam.. they dont believe in any other god but theirs.. hinduism is no where close!!! Dont let existence of RSS etc. mislead.. hindus hardly know how to fight for their religion... they just whine like RSS does... when was the last time non-hindus came across an hindu saying his soap is better?

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