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charminggenie

@charminggenie

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1081

Racial profiling is super bad in US. The perception in the media is not far from the reality. Cops are trigger happy there especially if it's a minority. US failed to bust the drug empire, manage it's gun laws and the gang wars. It's a collective failure on so many levels.

Just a question, how do people feel about cops using a robot to kill the sipper?

@D- Same, personal experience wise too. I find US prejudice whereas UK is more inclusive, whatever the current narrative be, I feel UK has been able to remarkably handle it's diversity better. Funny how it's divide and Rule policy for ruling has left long lasting impact and countries still struggle to recover from it.

Also, very pissed at establishment , Media and the Govts. for handling BurhanWahi and making him a media hero when he was a terrorist who was poster child for recruiting.

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1082

Extremely disturbed and shaken post the Bangladesh terror siege at the Gulshan II Holey Archer Bakery. This means that ISIS has one foot set on the other side of the Teesta. As a resident of West Bengal, I'm worried that we're going to have a redux of the 26/11 Mumbai incident. Top that with Mamata Banerjee's policy of single-minded complacency with the issue of illegal migration across the inter-Bengal border.

R.I.P all the victims.

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441597

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1083

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

@bold - this! The general perception is that there are parts of the USA which are extremely racist. Even white folks here will generally agree to this (with or without a visit to the States)

I've been to Newark Airport and heard an airline rep working behind the counter tell a Hispanic lady to "go and f**king learn some English" because she had no clue what she was saying. Try doing that at Heathrow and there would be a definite lawsuit. Personally feel despite your UKIP/BNP's etc, the UK is a lot more politically correct than the US.

True story - my uncle was on his way to work at a train station and was attacked by police as they brought him down to the ground in a case of mistaken identity. (he suffered various bruises) Not just the officer involved but even their seniors were forced to issue a personal apology. I wonder if the same would've happened in the US.

Don't tell, but political correctness is the middle name of UK. This has it's own disastrous side effects, of course. Rotherham, Lutfur Rahman et al are cases in support. 😆

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hindu4lyf

@hindu4lyf

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1084

@Krystal - Oh, 100% agree there. But let's compare and contrast. A potential president spewing venom about building a wall at the border and making Mexicans pay for it vs. an (ex) UKIP leader demonising refugees in a Leave poster, causing such public outrage that even the Leave campaigners wanted nothing to do with him. Unlike those vids you see online of people openly supporting Trump, try publicly announcing your support for UKIP and you'll be greeted with nothing but disgust by almost everyone. (unless maybe, if you live in Barking and Dagenham, that somehow got the BNP in lol)

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1085

Originally posted by: K.Universe.
Re: the protests in US over the recent killings

I never participated in any protest, ever in my life. I think it's a sheer waste of time. While most of these protestors are there because they have way too much free time on their hands, the rest of them are there to loot and vandalize.

I think your perception on the protesters is a reflection of exactly what is wrong in the United States. You see these protesters (black people and their allies) as lazy/incompetent/wasteful or thugs.

If the police who are there to protect and serve are so poorly trained that they end up selectively slaughtering or abusing one segment of the population, do you really expect the people to just sit back and accept it?

Do you have a count of all the black lives matter protests and how many actually ended up in looting and vandalism?

While I empathize with the black lives matter movement, I do not agree with the outcomes they desire. Prosecution or firing of the cops will do nothing. We are dealing with implicit institutional racism that is far more dangerous than explicit racism. These cops are not explicit racists who go into work everyday loathing black people. They try to be good, but they have been raised in a society that believes black people are more problematic and dangerous than other people. When they face black people they cease thinking rationally and fall back to a biased fear response, resulting to callous loss of life. No amount of prosecution or reprimand will change this. In fact it could make it worse by making cops further stressed when dealing with black people. What we really need is better training so that cops can act calmly, rationally and follow proper escalation processes even when afraid. We need better training so they learn to overcome biases and treat all suspects equally.

As for the actual institutional racism or perceptions about black people, it will perhaps take several more decades to accomplish that.

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hindu4lyf

@hindu4lyf

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1086

@RTH - agree with almost everything you've said but dealing with institutionalised racism is surely a long term solution? Currently, there is such a lack of trust in the system by the black community.

Prosecution would at least make those in power think twice for a fear of repercussions. Right now, the feeling of those in power is "I can do shit, and get away with it". And the truth is just that, they will get away with it.

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charminggenie

@charminggenie

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1087

I am not defending K here, but I think he was talking about protests in general, irrespective of the colour , race etc. I recall the riots in UK, some 5 years back when people began to steal things, loot shops and resorted to violence and major cities were under distress for days. Young kids were told by their parents to loot shoots , police and law-order was shambles in general .

D, you would recall that too . I don't thin , K, was stereotyping"black people" but the general mob of the protesters which I agree as well- take the protesters in India too , right now even in Kashmir.

Black lives Matter like every other one. But there is a bigger issue here.Cops are trigger happy because of the conditions on the road. Generally you have Chicago riots, gang wars, Detroit street fights , you have rapper gangs killing- how do police deal with violence. There is a lot on the establishment to deliver and maintain law and order , so misuse the power , stereotype and pull the trigger without thinking. Why is everyone so free with weapons in US?

As far as prejudice is concerned , it would take a long long time...economically, socially and culturally to embrace the equality.

Right now, you need shift in establishment policies as well as introspection in both sides.

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@K.Universe.

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1088

Originally posted by: souro

Is this protest unjustified then?
As an outsider, it does seem the police over there is too trigger happy. Reports of unjustified shooting of subjects appear on news with alarming frequency. Of course, these are media reports which deliberately and selectively focus on such news and sometimes doesn't present the whole perspective, but it does contribute in shaping public opinion adversely against the police.

Well, protests don't need a justification as you know. I think the bigger question is about the justification of deadly force and whether there were extenuating circumstances surrounding the use of the deadly force.

Unless we get into the nitty gritty and examine data year-over-year, categorized by race, we can't tell whether deadly force was warranted and/or racially motivated. Broadly speaking, whites, blacks, latinos, Asians, and others do die at the hands of the law enforcement officers. Thanks to divisive politics and liberal media, it's mostly the black killings that get highlighted.The bleeding hearts conveniently ignore the real facts that shed light on the rates at which blacks commit violent crimes.

As for the "black lives matter" protests, they are either "largely" peaceful (indicating that there is a part of it that is not peaceful) and or marred by violence, looting and vandalism, pretty much every single time.

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hindu4lyf

@hindu4lyf

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1089

All too well, CG. Back then, was working in retail during uni break and the Curry's next door was completely ransacked and looted. Riots aside, shall never forgive the Lib Dems for it!!

Not denying the existence of gang wars, neither denying this is probably more common with young, black males but racial profiling has gone one step too far when a kid with a packet of skittles and a drink is shot dead for no rhyme or reason.

The UK equivalent of 'neighbourhood watch' officers (PCSO) don't even have the access to guns as police officers would. I suppose that's a whole different debate altogether.

On a lighter note - don't you just love Indian weddings? Spot a cute guy and you're guaranteed to see him at least 3-4 more times :P