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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#1101

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Just a question, how do people feel about cops using a robot to kill the sipper?

A very good question that's turning into a debate in a lot of circles, especially from the "militarization" point of view.

Edited by K.Universe. - 9 years ago

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charminggenie

@charminggenie

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1102

@D- Z.Murad is better than E.Saab now. I cannot believe I am even saying that. But so true now everyone in desi fashion be repetitive , Sabya especially.

Also, Serena is GOAT , for me, across genders.

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charminggenie

@charminggenie

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1103

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

A very good question that's turning into a debate in a lot of circles, especially from the "militarization" point of view.

I don't feel good about it. I don't know what to say , maybe it has to do with morality and the whole noble idea of having jury for a criminal too. Also, how do you make the call for it, how do you verify that it be the last resort, the factors..misuse. Ethically very interesting debate this one. But I prefer to chit chat over it.

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#1104

Originally posted by: charminggenie

I don't feel good about it. I don't know what to say , maybe it has to do with morality and the whole noble idea of having jury for a criminal too. Also, how do you make the call for it, how do you verify that it be the last resort, the factors..misuse. Ethically very interesting debate this one. But I prefer to chit chat over it.

In the case of Dallas' shooter, they had no other option. He already killed a few officers, injured a few more, and later had a long standoff with other officers with more exchange of gunfire.

If it prevents more lives from being lost, as in the above case, I don't see a negative.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/09/opinions/dallas-robot-questions-singer/index.html

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_Angie_

@_Angie_

Rocker

Posted: 9 years ago

#1105

Violence begets violence. Either you break the chain or blast the other into silence. It's a choice you make.

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

Stunner

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1106

Mister.K

I am aware of the protests that have turned into violent riots.

However, majority of the protests are peaceful. There have been major rallies and protests across the United States and other parts of the world in cities big and small. Of them have only a few turned violent. Violent protests get reported. Peaceful protests are ignored and forgotten. On the whole only a small fraction of protests turn violent.

I will retract my statement about selective police violence. The statistics are controversial depending on which side is presenting it. I think it would be fair for both of us to admit that gun violence data in the United States is lacking both in terms of cops on civilian and civilian on civilian. We need a comprehensive study on gun violence plus better reporting on police shooting statistics.

Incarceration data though does show a racially tilted criminal justice system. People of color get harsher sentencing than their white counterparts booked for similar crimes.

But to rephrase the question do you really expect people to stand and do absolutely nothing when trigger happy cops take innocent lives?

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#1107

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

do you really expect people to stand and do absolutely nothing when trigger happy cops take innocent lives?

I would expect them to not pull the race card at the drop of a hat.

Official stats on how many times police officers in US have used deadly force are not available but if you go by, say, the Guardian, in 2016, out of about 570 killed, 279 are white, 134 are black and 88 are Hispanic. In 2015, out of 1146 killed, 581 are white, 306 are black and 195 are Hispanic.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

Even among those blacks who died at the hands of the police, do we know how many blacks died at the hands of non-white officers before jumping to conclusions that white officers are killing blacks?

More importantly, can we trust the people participating in these protests to understand stats or make any meaningful analysis out of the available data?

BTW, have we ever seen our president make a statement on national TV when Whites or Hispanics died at the hands of the law enforcement officers?

Have we seen people taking to the streets and protest when cops are killed?

Don't all lives matter?

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

Stunner

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1108

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Official stats on how many times police officers in US have used deadly force are not available but if you go by, say, the Guardian, in 2016, out of about 570 killed, 279 are white, 134 are black and 88 are Hispanic. In 2015, out of 1146 killed, 581 are white, 306 are black and 195 are Hispanic.

Based on these statistics roughly 50% of police fatalities are white and 25% are black. In the United States roughly 65% are white and only 12% are black. That means black people are twice as likely to be killed in a police shooting.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Even among those blacks who died at the hands of the police, do we know how many blacks died at the hands of non-white officers before jumping to conclusions that white officers are killing blacks?

Death is emotional. Unfortunately, there is a knee jerk reaction. But that reaction is not completely unjustified. Incarceration rates show bias against people of color. Black people are twice as likely to die in a police shooting. Outside of police shootings and incarceration black people experience a lot more harassment and questioning.

We cannot deny the institutional racism in society. A black person with a concealed carry is perceived as an armed and dangerous thug. A white person with a concealed carry is a citizen exercising first amendment rights. A black person walking around a nice neighborhood late night is perceived as a potential threat. A white person waking around a nice neighborhood late night is ignored. There is no quantitative data to back this, but these biases do exist. Civilians and cops do succumb to these biases. Cops are held to a higher standard and should not succumb to biases.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.
More importantly, can we trust the people participating in these protests to understand stats or make any meaningful analysis out of the available data?

Not everyone will. But there are many intelligent and rational human beings who can be persuaded with reason. Many prestigious universities are a hot spot for protest organization. Surely you do not think every student and professor participating is incapable of understanding data. Do you think thought leaders like Ta-Nehisi Coates would be unable to have a meaningful and analytical discussion about the issue?

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

BTW, have we ever seen our president make a statement on national TV when Whites or Hispanics died at the hands of the law enforcement officers?

Have we seen people taking to the streets and protest when cops are killed?

Don't all lives matter?

The death of a cop is indeed tragic. But cops perform a job that entails risk in the line of duty. It is part of the job. That being said there have been vigilantes and support for cops, even when they are not killed.

Now the bold is a hugely problematic cop out statement. All lives matter, that is why black lives matter.

We may disagree on data. But if a certain segment of the population is at high risk, would you not agree that the focus needs to be on protecting the high risk population? Lives that are not at risk matter too, but they do not need as much protection or attention as the high risk ones.

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souro

@souro

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1109

For those of you who are excitedly following Wimbledon 2016 finals, here's something from Wimbledon finals 30 yrs ago.

P.S. - These pics are taken by me while I was going through our personal collection of magazines.

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#1110

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Based on these statistics roughly 50% of police fatalities are white and 25% are black. In the United States roughly 65% are white and only 12% are black. That means black people are twice as likely to be killed in a police shooting.

The population statistic would not be completely meaningful unless you correlate it with the crime stats by race by rural or urban areas.

For instance, blacks may constitute 23% of NY city's population but may commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime. Assuming that this sta is true, what does it tell us? That a small population of one race can still commit a large number of crimes.

Again, what does it all mean? I don't know. What I am seeing is that there is not a great deal of data but that is not stopping a great deal of people from jumping to conclusions.

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