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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: epiphany.



Well, it ain't happening anytime in the near future. There are several other immediate threats to our country. So, I am sorry if I can't see the point behind this 'problem'.

Several other immediate threats doesn't mean that this 'threat' doesn't exist or doesn't warrant any attention. It's a fallacy of relative privation.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro

But can you be sure of India remaining secular if Muslims increase their proportion to a stage where they are the dominant religion or at least have equal representation in the population as Hindus?
Given the historical and current examples, it sounds very optimistic.


Would you be asking the same if Muslims in the Middle east were as peaceful as Christians in Europe? or say If instead of Muslims, Christians or Jains were increasing to becoming the majority?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I pray to God for a scientific miracle that lets us erase God and religion from the human psyche. 😆
I wish people would look for pragmatic solutions to real problems rather than focus on religions. But even if we erased religious differences - race, community, language, caste and other issues always end up creating minority vs. majority battles. It seems challenging to shift the focus from self and ones affiliates to the greater good.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: QuietlyLoud


Would you be asking the same if Muslims in the Middle east were as peaceful as Christians in Europe? or say If instead of Muslims, Christians or Jains were increasing to becoming the majority?

Since the current problem is borne out of a desire to protect Hindus and Hinduism, I'd say there will be opposition to such a development as well. Opposition to Christian proselytising has even happened in some instances.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I pray to God for a scientific miracle that lets us erase God and religion from the human psyche. 😆

I wish people would look for pragmatic solutions to real problems rather than focus on religions. But even if we erased religious differences - race, community, language, caste and other issues always end up creating minority vs. majority battles. It seems challenging to shift the focus from self and ones affiliates to the greater good.


You're praying to God for a miracle to erase God?🤣 How do you think God is gonna take that?😆
Exactly.It seems people can't have a peace of mind without having some issues to bug each other with.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro

Several other immediate threats doesn't mean that this 'threat' doesn't exist or doesn't warrant any attention. It's a fallacy of relative privation.



I don't get how this is a threat at all. Parsis are as good as extinct, the Armenian Christians in India are too. Culturally, sure, big problem, nothing we can do about it. But diminishing numbers of Hindus in the country, how is that a threat just yet? Or is it the competition between number of Muslims and Hindus in the country to you which you are referring?


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: epiphany.


I don't get how this is a threat at all. Parsis are as good as extinct, the Armenian Christians in India are too. Culturally, sure, big problem, nothing we can do about it. But diminishing numbers of Hindus in the country, how is that a threat just yet? Or is it the competition between number of Muslims and Hindus in the country to you which you are referring?

Whether it's a threat or not a threat depends on what viewpoint you are adopting regarding this scenario. The threat is there if one thinks about it from the viewpoint of ensuring the continuation and safety of Hinduism - both the religion and the associated culture. However, if one looks at it from the viewpoint of existence of people residing in this country, then it is no threat at all, for irrespective of what religion they follow there will be people living in India. So, tell me why you think a change in demographics (decrease in proportion of Hindus and increase in proportion of Muslims) is not a threat according to you, and I'll be in a better position to reply. As of now your viewpoint is not very clear to me, as to why do you think it's not a threat.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Indian Muslim population is around 170 million, as per the estimated figure for the year 2011, which is roughly 13.4% of the total population of India. Projections for future population growth in India show that by the end of the 21st century India's total population will stabilize in which the Muslim population would be less than 20% of total, as noted by the Sachar Committee.

Source: http://www.academia.edu/3573737/Demographic_dividend_and_Indian_Muslims

So, it doesn't appear that Muslims will be a majority in India anytime soon.

But, hypothetically speaking, if it were to happen (it being India turning into a Muslim-majority country) I perceive a threat to a) Democracy b) Economy c) Religious freedom of minorities d) Women.

I could elaborate more if anyone is interested in a debate / discussion along those lines.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Epiphany


I think the threat exists because humans have an innate need to preserve their identity and species. We tend to want our lineage to continue. We have seen cultures, religions, languages, ethnicities die out. We fear the same will happen to our community. It may be some form of psychological immortality.


I think some sort of fear is validated. It becomes a problem only when this perceived threat manifests itself into racism, xenophobia, discrimination etc.


Personally, despite being a Hindu; I'm not too concerned about population levels. I'm more or less non religious. I even do not care whether Muslim, Christian or even Scientology populations increase. My concern though is if the fundamental population is growing. Most progressive Muslims and Christians tend to have normal family sizes. It usually is the highly conservative and fundamental populations that denounce birth control and increase their population. I'm not alarmed or threatened. But I do wonder what the probabilities of a societal shift are. I'd rather not want society to get more conservative.


That being said I don't know how to address the challenge. Increasing population of any group is not feasible as it strains resources. Education is the best bet. However, I'm not sure how effective it would be.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



Personally, despite being a Hindu; I'm not too concerned about population levels. I'm more or less non religious. I even do not care whether Muslim, Christian or even Scientology populations increase.



Easier to say that when you are from a democratic nation like US or India, where your rights are protected, you are not subjugated, and you enjoy the blanket of freedom guaranteed by your country's constitution.

Easier to say that when your country is not enforcing Sharia law on you, like most Muslim-majority countries do.

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