Is a higher birthrate the solution? - Page 14

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

the constitution might not be able to abrogate itself, but people can. People are supreme. Point is if there is a will, we can find a smart lawyer who can abrogate anything. A shitty constitution tailor made to serve the nehru gandhi and the triple-yadav clans is the least of the problem.😆

You guys sound like Obama's campaign managers with your "Yes We Can" chants.

Here's my rebuttal: "No You Can't!"

you're also getting too dramatic with the pogrom bit.

:))

I guess, but he did say he would decimate the opposition so...

Just because you have a single state ideology, it does not mean you get to pogroms. Consider the chinese. For all practical purpose, they have a nice one-party capitalist system going and they dont run pogroms. They just crush dissent from time to time, that's it, but no pogroms. 😆

True but they crush dissent regardless of who is dissenting, without prejudice. In Souro's case, it would be people who don't subscribe to Hinduism.

A few hundred are rounded up and served up as example for the rest. And the chinese have not done too shabbily being a tad authoritarian. Fine, make that very authoritarian if you try opposing them. But why should you if they've given you progress?

Well, they go through these cycles of prosperity and decline so talk to me when they are on the declining curve. And one of the main reasons they are doing well is undervalued currency which keeps their exports more competitive. Talk to me after that little game of theirs runs its course.

Even your local nunnery is pretty authoritarian that way, and i dont see many padre types complaining.


Ever seen a nun running around naked?

😆 You have no idea!

They have strict rules they need to adhere to, you know.😆

but i will give you this- there are a lot of muslims who have made enormous sacrifice and contribution, and we are better off as a nation with people who have different perspectives. But when you club the aggressive ones who have held up the rest from progressing because of appeasement politics at the cost of all else, then maybe we are better off if they all fell in line. Getting rid of the secular nonsense would then be the right step. And those who don't like it can adapt or just apply for assylum in saudia, no hard feelings.😆

Sure. But keep the policy the same for all citizens. I would put the Thackeray types in the same boat as the aggressive ones you are talking about, who are impeding.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

the constitution might not be able to abrogate itself, but people can. People are supreme. Point is if there is a will, we can find a smart lawyer who can abrogate anything. A shitty constitution tailor made to serve the nehru gandhi and the triple-yadav clans is the least of the problem.😆

Hmm so many years yet no smart lawyer or political consensus could even try to work around Ar 370 or UCC ..doubt constitution could be re-worked that easily. Nation might bifurcate , try getting a major consensus on making Hindi the national language , for experiments.

you're also getting too dramatic with the pogrom bit. Just because you have a single state ideology, it does not mean you get to pogroms. Consider the chinese. For all practical purpose, they have a nice one-party capitalist system going and they dont run pogroms. They just crush dissent from time to time, that's it, but no pogroms. 😆A few hundred are rounded up and served up as example for the rest. And the Chinese have not done too shabbily being a tad authoritarian.

You might be surprised on that account, living conditions are horrible. Too much corruption, censorship , it's not all raining comforts in the dragon land. There's a reason why foreign Unis be filled with Chinese these days, most want to migrate.

Fine, make that very authoritarian if you try opposing them. But why should you if they've given you progress? Even your local nunnery is pretty authoritarian that way, and i dont see many padre types complaining. Ever seen a nun running around naked? They have strict rules they need to adhere to, you know.😆

Few commercial areas don't define progress .

But Priests are frequently found floundering the laws , even though they need to adhere as well, you know.

but i will give you this- there are a lot of muslims who have made enormous sacrifice and contribution, and we are better off as a nation with people who have different perspectives. But when you club the aggressive ones who have held up the rest from progressing because of appeasement politics at the cost of all else, then maybe we are better off if they all fell in line. Getting rid of the secular nonsense would then be the right step. And those who don't like it can adapt or just apply for assylum in saudia, no hard feelings.😆

^^ This one was funny, I cannot even😆.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Hmm so many years yet no smart lawyer or political consensus could even try to work around Ar 370 or UCC ..doubt constitution could be re-worked that easily. Nation might bifurcate , try getting a major consensus on making Hindi the national language , for experiments.

Originally posted by: zorrro

Thanks everyone for a good discussion on the topic. I will wrap it up from my side. Asking women to bear multiple children with zero thoughts towards their upkeep and welfare is obviously ludicrous . Having hardliners in power whether muslims or hindus can pose problems for the common man of the country. Religious identity is no guarantee of a person's ideals or action. Humanity should stand above religion. Evil is evil and should be recognized as such as it does not reduce the damage or grief on account of the religion of the doer. Secularism sounds good in principle but minority appeasement isnt secularism. India is a country with diverse cultures thriving and the aspirations of all communities should be taken care of to attain progress and harmony.

Thanks for the warm welcome Zorrro 🤗 Hey, I get to be on your side of the argument without contributing a word, thanks to Mr. K's mindreading skills 😆. It sure saves me all the effort and the time.

I liked reading all the frank viewpoints expressed here and nothing new to add from my side. Its a pleasant surprise to see some of the members here debate with so much calm and patience! Now that's so unlike them 😆