Recitation of Vande Mataram against Islam - Page 5

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ALLAHABAD: The national song Vande Mataram is "against Islamic beliefs" and asking Muslims to sing it would amount to "suppression" of the community, Shahi Imam of Delhi's Jama Masjid Syed Ahmed Bukhari said on Sunday.

Addressing a press meet here, Bukhari, said according to the tenets of Islam, one could love one's country and even lay down one's life for it if the circumstances so demand. "But when it comes to worship, only Allah is given that honour.

A Muslim cannot worship his or her parents, motherland and even the Prophet though they are held in high esteem," he said, reacting to a Central directive to states for recitation of Vande Mataram in educational institutions during a celebration on Sep7 to mark the national song's centenary.

"Ever since independence, all governments at the Centre and in the states have been suppressing the Muslims😕. This proposal is yet another example," said Bukhari.

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

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ALLAHABAD: The national song Vande Mataram is "against Islamic beliefs" and asking Muslims to sing it would amount to "suppression" of the community, Shahi Imam of Delhi's Jama Masjid Syed Ahmed Bukhari said on Sunday.

Addressing a press meet here, Bukhari, said according to the tenets of Islam, one could love one's country and even lay down one's life for it if the circumstances so demand. "But when it comes to worship, only Allah is given that honour.

A Muslim cannot worship his or her parents, motherland and even the Prophet though they are held in high esteem," he said, reacting to a Central directive to states for recitation of Vande Mataram in educational institutions during a celebration on Sep7 to mark the national song's centenary.

"Ever since independence, all governments at the Centre and in the states have been suppressing the Muslims😕. This proposal is yet another example," said Bukhari.

Now that is just strange. I really doubt that a couple of words have the ability to surpress a human being.

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Originally posted by: galois311

And as to being patriotic...this is to Indians living out of India, do you feel the same way about the US or Uk or anywhere the way you feel about India? Just because you live somewhere doesn't mean that you automatically feel patriotic towards that place.

I really think that people should be given a choice. This whole thing isn't about being patriotic, they are trying to say that if India claims to be a democratic/secular state then she can't have anything from any particular religion in her national song. Thats all.

I agree that people are taking this a little too far, but I really doubt that those who are fighting to not sing Vande Mataram hate India or something, they just want it to be clear that India does not have a national religion.

If I am born and brought up in UK, and my past all generatiions have all been in UK for the past thousand years, then I need to feel patriotic about the place. This isn't about people who have migrated to India, this is about people who have been there for centuries, and India is not only the country of their residence, but the country of the origin too.

Every country, however democratic, has some basics applicable to all it's citizens. If they are excercising the rights, and they also need to have some duties towards the country, and praising it is one of them

I never ever felt any reservations about singing Christain hyms, and never thought once about singing Saare Jahan se achcha because it was in urdu.....

The first two stanzas DO NOT contain ANY reference to any religion, deity and or whatever. It's plain and simple praising the motherland and bowing to it.

And I am very much sure that only that section of muslims in India are opposing it who burst fire crackers when India loses a cricket match to Pakistan - only because for them, country means nothing and they exist for religion - these people only want and want and demand - but they have absolutely nothing to give in return 🤢 These people should be ashamed of themselves and leave India and never come back. They don't deserve to be there !!!!

Unfortunately these minuscle number of people tarnish the whole muslim population, some of whom are really really superb people, and as patriotic as any other Indian. We have so many muslim soldiers in india who happily give up their life for their motherland,so many good people who simply go out to save people when there is flood or any other disaster and are human and Indians first and Muslims later.

Originally posted by: cutemaha13

ohh so much of arguments on such a little thing 😕

see now finally im telling all hindus , christans , jews , budhists etc etc etc datmuslims R NOT ALLOWED TO BOW ANYONE EXCEPTALMIGHTY ALLAH NOT EVEN THEIR MOTHERLAND N IF THEY DO SO SO THEY R NO MORE MUSLIMS BUT THEY R 'mushrik'so y u ppl r almost forcing muslims to bow india 😕😕😡

plz do try to UNDERSTAND OUR RELIGION ISLAM n donot force us to do things which r not allowed in our religion.
may be hindus r allowed to bow anyone even cows [i have heard this dat u ppl consider cows n monkeys sacred]
but V MUSLIMS R TOTALLY DIFERENT FROM U PPL y? do u ppl want them to become mushriks from muslim coz of india? SO GIVE INDIAN MUSLIMS A RIGHT TO LIVE IN INDIA N STOP IMPOSING HINDUISM OR ANY OTHER RELIGION ON THEM

I WAS TOOO MUCH DISAPPOINTED AFTER READING THIS POST 😕 y u ppl try to teach muslims dat wt is god n ram , ALLAH , r same? no for muslims their is only one god n he is ALMIGHTY ALLAH n ram n all other hindu gods donot exist for us n so v r allowed to bow only ALLAH

Originally posted by: narumugaye

(and that's not including the devotion-suffused tracks like Pal Pal Hai Bhaari from Swades, and O Paalanhaare from Lagaan - both of which are incidentally penned by a Muslim, Javed Akhtar).

completely agree with you👏..Javed Akhtar is such a SECULAR and LIBERAL muslim that he even quotes from the Bhagvad Geeta....Afterall,what's wrong is imbibing something good from other religions😕..If the Quaran says something good,I would have no qualms in following that...The Bible is imbued with great noble points,and I dont understand why some people wouldnt want to follow it...The worst part is,some even object to other people of the same religion's following the Bible or the Geetha🤢

Originally posted by: lalit1

buffie assuming here u are also hindu like me

hindus do not mind bowing to allah or christ also because all of these are different manifestations of the same god for us hindus
the rig veda states that there is one truth though the sages know it differntly
meaning all paths lead to god irrespective of the source

that isnt the case with islam or christianity
they believe that only their path is the true path and the rest are infidels heathens kafir etc
so they try to convert other ppl either by force or monetary inducement
bcos according to their religions only their path is the true path

Its not a question of hindu or muslim..I have some fanatics in my extended family,who talk rubbish like the Vaishnavites must never bow to Ma kali/Durga or Ganesha or Shiva and their incarnations😕😕...See,its more in the mind🤢

If muslims do not want to sing the vande mataram,they are entitled not to..But they must not enforce their views on other muslims who want to sing it😡

Originally posted by: cutemaha13

ohh so much of arguments on such a little thing 😕 [/Quote]

If it's such a little thing then why are Muslims making a hue and cry about it?

Originally posted by: cutemaha13

ohh so much of arguments on such a little thing 😕

see now finally im telling all hindus , christans , jews , budhists etc etc etc datmuslims R NOT ALLOWED TO BOW ANYONE EXCEPTALMIGHTY ALLAH NOT EVEN THEIR MOTHERLAND N IF THEY DO SO SO THEY R NO MORE MUSLIMS BUT THEY R 'mushrik'so y u ppl r almost forcing muslims to bow india 😕😕😡

plz do try to UNDERSTAND OUR RELIGION ISLAM n donot force us to do things which r not allowed in our religion.
may be hindus r allowed to bow anyone even cows [i have heard this dat u ppl consider cows n monkeys sacred]
but V MUSLIMS R TOTALLY DIFERENT FROM U PPL y? do u ppl want them to become mushriks from muslim coz of india? SO GIVE INDIAN MUSLIMS A RIGHT TO LIVE IN INDIA N STOP IMPOSING HINDUISM OR ANY OTHER RELIGION ON THEM

I WAS TOOO MUCH DISAPPOINTED AFTER READING THIS POST 😕 y u ppl try to teach muslims dat wt is god n ram , ALLAH , r same? no for muslims their is only one god n he is ALMIGHTY ALLAH n ram n all other hindu gods donot exist for us n so v r allowed to bow only ALLAH

It's scary that there are people who hold views like you.😕 People who have such strong views are the one who are influenced in a tough situation where idiot politicians use you like puppets. I am not only refering to Muslims only, but HIndus or SIkhs as well who get influenced by some sar-fire politicians. Why is it that when you are talking about HIndusim, you mention cows and monkeys as scared. It's a fact, but you mentioned it like it was a great sin. Cows give milk thus give us life...similiar to a mother. So it too should get the same respect. Todays world no one gives a damn about animals and centuries ago, In India animals were given so much respect.

Anyways coming back to the point, No one is forcing anyone to sing anything. Don't you see that Muslims who have problem with it have nothing better to do, but to go after small little matter. What they need is a job to keep their head out of small matters. If muslims in INdia don't want their kids to sing Vande Maatram, well then don't. When I was in India, I don't remember singing it, but I loved the song. Somone has poured their heart out in this beautiful written poetry. Don't look at it from religious point of view. Try to imagine the passion of the poet....

For your history lesson, this song first appeared against British govn't. In Bengal, this song was sung in loud voices and was a cry against British suppression. On that time, many people HIndus and Muslims were sent to Jail to sing this song. Unlike now where people have divided this song between Hindus and Muslims, people then, had a passion for freeing their motherland. THey were united in singing this song. Even in Lahore, Lala Lajpat rain started a newspaper or journal with a title of Vande Maatram.

VAnde Maatram represents spirit of many Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs who fought together to free their motherland.....

Those people who oppose it ,ought to be ashamed of themselves. They are no better than our European invaders who raped out motherland of everything. Only difference is that today, these so called religious leaders are the sons of India and they are committing an incest against their own motherland. Back then it was easy to point our enemies just by the skin color, but what do you do now?