Recitation of Vande Mataram against Islam - Page 3

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

Exactly, why raise this hue and cry over Vande Mataram? It is our National Song (and not a symbol of Hindutva) and deserves respect accordingly. No other religious community has objection over Vande Mataram. BTW, in most of Indian schools during morning assembly every child sings Saraswati Vandana or some other prarthanaa, I don't think anyone ever objected to that.

Even in my school we had Hindu Prarthana ' Hum ko man ki shakti' and no one ever objected to it. My mother studied in a convent and there they used to pray to 'Lord Jesus' in the morning during lunchtime and before leaving. No objections there too. Vande Mataram became popular during the partition of Bengal when Hindus chanted it on the streets along with Muslims who chanted 'Allah-O-Akbar'. When Vande Mataram was decided to be given the status of national language then not only Muslims but many others too disagreed.

I believe that the raking up an old controversy is only for playing the same old game of dividing the Indian people.

Originally posted by: bluepink

When Vande Mataram was decided to be given the status of national languagec (correction: song) then not only Muslims but many others too disagreed.

But it is our National Song irrespective of its past and ought to be given respect by every Indian.

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

But why do this people have special problem with Vande Mataram? They say nothing when Khans acts in Hindi Films, go to temples, pray there...or when M.F.Hussain makes paintings of Hindu-Godesses...do you know that a Muslim family gets the share of earnings at Amarnath Shrine in J&K...someone from their family discovered Amarnath Caves. Tomorrow they will say we do not accept Indian Judicial System, we recognise only Sharia...this whole thing is becoming absurd.

Maybe they should all migrate to Saudi Arabia, afterall Arabs love Muslims from Subcontinent so much.

Edit: It is not the wisest thing to insert Religion into everything, it can do only harm. I am affraid in Indian Muslim community there is hardly any moderate voice left, in Hindu community if there is 1 extremist voice then there are 10 moderate voices.

These instances that u describe of actors or other people are of personal choice or preference. If someone wants to do something that their religion bans or frowns upon then that is their choice,and it has no bearing on anyone else. The same way if people want to recite vande matram then it's perfectly fine but to force somene to recite it or accept some parts of hinduism when indians insist that India is a secular state not a hindu state, is unfair.

P.S. If people live in a country they have to respect its laws, and if they dont like it they can move. However, to say that give up your religion if u want to live in India is not right. I thought India had freedom of religion and no person would be forced to comply to someone else's religious beliefs.

Originally posted by: mkzara

These instances that u describe of actors or other people are of personal choice or preference. If someone wants to do something that their religion bans or frowns upon then that is their choice,and it has no bearing on anyone else. The same way if people want to recite vande matram then it's perfectly fine but to force somene to recite it or accept some parts of hinduism when indians insist that India is a secular state not a hindu state, is unfair.

P.S. If people live in a country they have to respect its laws, and if they dont like it they can move. However, to say that give up your religion if u want to live in India is not right. I thought India had freedom of religion and no person would be forced to comply to someone else's religious beliefs.

I agree completely but these Muslim leaders are almost ordering that no Muslim should sing Vande Mataram.

[quote]He said Muslims could under no circumstances allow their children to recite the song.[/quote]

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

I agree completely but these Muslim leaders are almost ordering that no Muslim should sing Vande Mataram.

[quote]He said Muslims could under no circumstances allow their children to recite the song.[/quote]

There is no problem, at least in the way I see it, with muslims reciting vande matram. The problem arises in it being mandated that people have to recite it. If someone wants to recite it because they love India and they dont feel their religion or morals are conflicted by reciting it then they should definitely do it, however if someone does feel that they are being forced to accept hinduism (due to the refrences to the goddesses) or go against their religion (due to bowing to the land reason) then they shudnt be forced to do that. No one should ban muslims from reciting it those that want to should, and those that dont shouldn't. If its not fair to ban someone from reciting it then its not fair to mandate someone to recite it either.

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

But it is our National Song irrespective of its past and ought to be given respect by every Indian.

Thanks for the correction. 😊

I think we have a better National Song in 'Saare Jahaan Se Acha' which was written in praise of our motherland whereas 'Vande Mataram' was written in praise of Bengal and it became popular at the partition of Bengal in 1906 or 1909, I am not sure. I studied in a Central School (Kendriya Vidyalaya) and we used to sing 'Saare Jahaan se acha' at every function. I wonder why suddenly Vande Mataram is brought back and imposed on schools? Same old game of politicians to divide us Indians.

'Saare jahaan se achcha hindusitan hamaraa
Hum bul bule hai is ki, ye gul sitan hamaraa'.

As i see it , India is a democracy and a secular country and NO one i repeat NO ONE has ever been forced to sing anything . But when Muslim clerics force their Muslim counterparts NOT to sing it. Well then thats wrong as we are going against democracy forcing some one to do something and making an issue out of something when there isn't.

In my school, we had hymns in the morning and at times we had some hindu prayer. No one was forced to sing it...........but you were asked to stand in respect . Which is fair. No one would send you to dention for not singing it if you told them why !!

Even in the U.S i stand up when they sing the American National Anthem. I don't sing it , but i stand up to show my respect to the country i live in.

Is showing respect so wrong ?????

BTW, Anju someday Muslim clerics could object to "Saare jaahan se accha....Hindustan hamara " as it contains the word "Hindustan" !!

Another thought. "Mother i bow to thee" is a figure of speach putting mother land on the same predestal we put our mothers. Especially us , S.E.Asians. we respect our mother than any one, its not the same as worship, rather reverence.

What is wrong in singing Vande mataram. I dont think it's a big deal. Literal translation is really hard. The true meaning is often lost between words.

But if it is mandated by law it wont be sung in spirit by those who oppose it. It is sad that some of us dont care enough but we cant twist their arm.

But I think all those who pick on such issues, "I dont want to sing it, its against my religion" I ask

Who are we fooling? How many of us do exactly as -god- (or must I say the interpreters of god) intended it? We are not even close.
We can make so many mistakes for our beenfit why not another small one in the name of country-

Originally posted by: Aparna_BD

As i see it , India is a democracy and a secular country and NO one i repeat NO ONE has ever been forced to sing anything . But when Muslim clerics force their Muslim counterparts NOT to sing it. Well then thats wrong as we are going against democracy forcing some one to do something and making an issue out of something when there isn't.

In my school, we had hymns in the morning and at times we had some hindu prayer. No one was forced to sing it...........but you were asked to stand in respect . Which is fair. No one would send you to dention for not singing it if you told them why !!

Even in the U.S i stand up when they sing the American National Anthem. I don't sing it , but i stand up to show my respect to the country i live in.

Is showing respect so wrong ?????

BTW, Anju someday Muslim clerics could object to "Saare jaahan se accha....Hindustan hamara " as it contains the word "Hindustan" !!

The irony is,Saare jahan se accha,hindustan hamara was penned by Iqbal,who later moved to Pakistan...and I've read in some Pakistani forums that the song belongs to Pakistan,but has been "stolen" by India😕

BTW,here's what an Indian muslim has to say about the vande Mataram'

http://indianmuslim.wordpress.com/

"In front of Allah's decree, I am a Muslim first. If you ask me to participate in this country abandoning this religion (Islam), this Shariah (Islamic way of life) and this complete doctrine of peace, then I am absolutely not ready to do so. And same should be the sentiments of followers of any other religion, that they should not quit their fundamental beliefs and religion for the sake of worldly affairs. As far as the independence of India, its development and uplift is concerned, I am an Indian first and an Indian last. I draw two equal sized circles around me, one is centered on India and the second is centered on Islam, we, as Indian Muslims, belong to both." – a raw translation of an excerpt from one of Moulana Mohammed Ali Johar's speeches

There are many interesting views here

http://indianmuslim.wordpress.com/2006/08/11/muslims-and-ind ia/#comments