Where do you think we came from? - Page 16

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

If you commenced the debate believing that someone outta somewhere would provide you wiith Evidence ...then I can only wish ya good luck ..I believe we are here to test our suspicions building a common hypothesis ..If you want people to refute your points ..why don't you refute there points on the basis of evidence? science ain't helping ..The spirituality alone can't come to our rescue ..So lets combine both and try and achieve some kinda consensus ...Or would you like to say the Law of conservation of energy is wrong ? Merely cause you can't go infinitely backward to know the origin of the energy ? Some things are beyond mundane ..You need to understand that well ...The ever existing nature of the energy in whatever form though sounds beyond us ..can very well be practical ..We don't even know that is the universe we know is unique ..If it ain't the whole concept might change ..including the Space time ..
And I would love it if you stop calling the GOD as a being .. 😆 << Which can be perceived with senses or experiments ..Its something that exists in a shapeless and timeless state ...Thats why people allude to that energy which never exhausts as the GOD ...

Vintu .. 😛

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

If you commenced the debate believing that someone outta somewhere would provide you wiith Evidence ...then I can only wish ya good luck ..I believe we are here to test our suspicions building a common hypothesis ..If you want people to refute your points ..why don't you refute there points on the basis of evidence? science ain't helping ..The spirituality alone can't come to our rescue ..So lets combine both and try and achieve some kinda consensus ...Or would you like to say the Law of conservation of energy is wrong ? Merely cause you can't go infinitely backward to know the origin of the energy ? Some things are beyond mundane ..You need to understand that well ...The ever existing nature of the energy in whatever form though sounds beyond us ..can very well be practical ..We don't even know that is the universe we know is unique ..If it ain't the whole concept might change ..including the Space time ..
And I would love it if you stop calling the GOD as a being .. 😆 << Which can be perceived with senses or experiments ..Its something that exists in a shapeless and timeless state ...Thats why people allude to that energy which never exhausts as the GOD ...

Vintu .. 😛

Originally posted by: Freethinker112

Um ...Sorry I was fighting another pointless battle in another thread ..Well getting back to this one ...and your earlier post ...Energy has to be something ..to exist ..Cause nothing can't ..We know of Photons ..A particle of course ...But do we know all particles ? Photons came much later ...The earliest known obes were only IMAGINARY ..< The gravitons ..And I can only LMAO @ he concept ...But thats what science points to ..Imaginary ..Now who can imagine ? Someone did ..When there was no matter or even particles ...Again we don't know all the states in which energy can exist ...

I define the GOD as a pure energy ..which is conscious ..Aware or not is a different issue ..See even we have a Coscious mind and then a Subconscious mind ..And then there is a concept of 'KUNDALINI' inside ourselves <<<<<< Now this is a spiritual term ..It can be interacted with meditation ..a great amount of practice is needed to achieve that state ..as they say .. Then there have been Trans Body experiences that took place in late 1800s ..

See ..We are on about something thats the MIGHTIST ...As I had said on many occasions ..there is this everlasting energy ..which keeps on purifying itself ...The same energy exists inside us ...And we keep dying and taking births again and again ..until we finally reach a state of Moksha ..= Stop existing in a free unamalgamated state ... << You might find this absurd ..but this has been mentioned in religious books ..We can consider this as an idea here ...Look ..The universe is created ..and after trillions of years its destructed ..When all matter , Particles, Energy again become ONE <<< Doesn't that sound like the same kind of a process ? ..So the GOD as in the energy is at many places and in many forms ...even the stones cause even they were created outta energy ..and everything will become the same energy ( May be supersymmetry ) again ...

Vintu ...😊

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

This is critical to understand so here goes:

"The Source" is but a noun. You could use any noun you want.

Irrespective of the noun that you use, it will not put an end to the questions that concern themselves with "what is this noun made of?" and "how did this noun come about".

P.S: I am beginning to think there is pretty much nobody in this world at my wavelength...

Uh-oh! And here I was hopeful that once we could log in it may be possible to access the Ultimate Truth which would make all questions redundant !

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

I define the GOD as a pure energy ..which is conscious ..Aware or not is a different issue ..See even we have a Coscious mind and then a Subconscious mind ..And then there is a concept of 'KUNDALINI' inside ourselves <<<<<< Now this is a spiritual term ..It can be interacted with meditation ..a great amount of practice is needed to achieve that state ..as they say .. Then there have been Trans Body experiences that took place in late 1800s ..

It looks like the hacking tool has been found! 😆 If our ancestors were right, it could be possible to uncoil the Kundalini and raise it and log into The Source! All we need is to know the proper technique and try it out.

We have the options to dismiss it as "no evidence", observe someone who has done it , though that may not give the evidence one may be looking for. The best evidence would be to have the direct experience, or so it appears..

Originally posted by: Freethinker112

That's where we run in problems, limitations of language and comprehension. Does our brain need to evolve more to "get it"? I posted this before here, lost in all the chatting that went on, that what if human mind is not developed enough yet? What if even some advanced species came to teach us, we just couldn't grasp it? But I would like to continue without this assumption.

Perhaps there is a need to go beyond the noise and chattering of words. When the brain is too busy with activty of transmitting for most of the time the reception activity may suffer. So I guess silence it should be. But that's easier said than done!

@ the bold- Didnt I see it mentioned at least twice that evolution involves population and not individuals ! 😲 Yet here I notice the evolution of the brain - a part of the individual! - creeping in !

So make up your mind. If there cannot be individual evolution then there cannot be evolution of its part. Or did you mean to say evolution of the brain of the population as a whole! ? 😆

Originally posted by: _Angie_

@ the bold- Didnt I see it mentioned at least twice that evolution involves population and not individuals ! 😲 Yet here I notice the evolution of the brain - a part of the individual! - creeping in !

So make up your mind. If there cannot be individual evolution then there cannot be evolution of its part. Or did you mean to say evolution of the brain of the population as a whole! ? 😆

Everything "evolves" over time including, say, software. But a patch here or a service pack there wouldn't be considered "next generation". For instance, a patch applied to Windows 95 wouldn't drastically alter the perception of what Windows 95 actually is, where as Windows 95 and Windows 8 are polar opposites and would be considered generations apart.

In that sense, cumulative changes observable in a population (in the above analogy, the population of operating systems that are selling in the current market) over time acquire more prominence than gradual changes happening at the individual level.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Uh-oh! And here I was hopeful that once we could log in it may be possible to access the Ultimate Truth which would make all questions redundant !

It looks like the hacking tool has been found! 😆 If our ancestors were right, it could be possible to uncoil the Kundalini and raise it and log into The Source! All we need is to know the proper technique and try it out.

We have the options to dismiss it as "no evidence", observe someone who has done it , though that may not give the evidence one may be looking for. The best evidence would be to have the direct experience, or so it appears..

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

there are two possibilities for universe/ consciousness-

1. either "God" created it all; or

2. there was no need for creation because the universe always existed.

Originally posted by: Freethinker112

I got dragged in the God part, that was already dealt with, this thread isn't for that.

When did I say Law of conversation of energy is wrong? It isn't, as far as we know.

I asked Birdie if he thought it was a being. You gotta be a being to be conscious, right? Again such mysticism doesn't help. Energy is energy, why give a new name God?

Okay, so how do you define God?